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Or the sign placement, at any rate. If it's in the same sign as the ascendant, is that different from first house but different sign? Would the difference disappear if, say, the ascendant is at 29 degrees of its sign and the first house planet is at degree 0 of the next--conjunct the ascendant but out of sign?


If that's a Saturn in the first effect, it must be even stronger than Saturn as ascendant ruler! I have Capricorn rising, and I've never had any of those problems except impacted wisdom teeth. As a child, I had some inability to stand up straight, but that was due to dyspraxia, not bones. I don't have Saturn in the first, though.

And if you've got Saturn in the 12th house Placidus, that's its house of joy. Strengthening factor.
In a natal chart reading, I pay attention to house cusp rulers.

I've seen two good but different interpretations.

Karen Hamaker-Zondag: "The house over which a planet rules serves the purposes of the house in which that planet stands."

Demetra George: The house cusp ruler wants to help out the affairs of that house. Whether it can do so well or poorly depends upon how it is situated.

Especially looking at George's interpretation, we could imagine a poorly placed first house ruler being much less effective than a well-placed first house tenant. For example, in Placidus someone with Cancer rising might have the moon in detriment in Capricorn in the 7th house, but a domiciled sun in Leo in the first house. Conversely, in whole signs, someone with Taurus rising might have a debilitated Mars in the first, and Venus off in the 3rd house with no essential dignity.

I think both whole signs and one's favorite quadrant system have merit, even where they give dramatically different results, as they are apt to do with a late degree rising. It's like a snapshot of a person will look different as a frontal portrait, vs. as a profile.

Same person, different perspectives.

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If your natal Uranus is in the third house, it's impossible for your progressed Uranus to be in the first, because....

By secondary progression, Uranus cannot move more than a few degrees in a person's lifetime, even a very long one. Progressed Uranus is always very close to natal Uranus. The only way it can change houses during the native's life is if it's very close to the cusp to begin with.
True, the degrees have barely changed. No decan or sign change has occurred, but I've yet to use a chart generator that puts my natal Uranus in the 12th or 1st house.

For instance, I've been using Astro dot com, Astrotheme and other chart generating websites and software programs, and all of them show the same thing: natal 2nd house Uranus and progressed 1st house Uranus. So what you're suggesting is that all of them are producing inaccurate charts, and I don't understand how that could happen.

ETA: I meant to say natal 2nd house Uranus in my previous post.

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True, the degrees have barely changed. No decan or sign change has occurred, but I've yet to use a chart generator that puts my natal Uranus in the 12th or 1st house.

For instance, I've been using Astro dot com, Astrotheme and other chart generating websites and software programs, and all of them show the same thing: natal 2nd house Uranus and progressed 1st house Uranus. So what you're suggesting is that all of them are producing inaccurate charts, and I don't understand how that could happen.

ETA: I meant to say natal 2nd house Uranus in my previous post.
What kind of progressed chart have you been generating? Is it your natal chart with progressions, or your progressed chart alone?

If you create a standalone progressed chart, it shows your progressed angles and moves all the house cusps by the same progression. That might make it look like Uranus is in the first house, if the progressed AC has moved close enough to natal Uranus. But progressed houses don't really count. A progressed planet changing houses means changing natal houses.

The only time progressed house cusps matter is when an angle transits a natal planet or changes signs or moves into a new natal house. Or perhaps when there's a significant transit to a progressed angle, but that isn't as significant as a transit to a natal angle. Other than that, only natal houses count when reading progressions.

If your progressed ascendant has reached your natal Uranus, that's significant. It would be a little like a Uranus to AC transit, and would probably correlate with Uranian life events. If it's not there yet, then Uranus appearing to be in the progressed first house doesn't have any particular meaning.

In any case, this topic is specifically about natal planets in the first house, not progressed ones.
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Using Placidius which is my preference, I have Saturn in the 1st house around 14-15 degrees away from the Ascendant. I had to grow up rather quickly, although not emotionally nor intellectually, rather in a practical sense because of sexual abuse in my midst.

I started working early on, as soon as I turned 16 and quit school, for which I still have no regret as I was forced to be self-taught and the type of mind I have doesn't linger long on just one subject alone. Its hard to explain other then to say that the Sidereal chart gives me Gemini Rising rather then Cancer rising..for the mentality. My interests intellectually speaking, ran the gamut in other words although when I find something that moves me emotionally I will study that subject ad-infinitum.


I think that Saturn has been not only my Sun's ruler (Sun-Mer-Mars) all in the 6th house but Saturn trine Venus and the MC among other sextile and trines to heavenly bodies, keeps me rather well grounded all in all. Others see me as older, especially when I was young. I recall my grandmother who knew me rather well saying to me, "I don't know how you'd fare as a mother, because you never played with dolls very much". So I have a rather serious demeanor most of the time through all ages.



My Venus helps me to get out of the doldrums however, and keeps me very socially interested (Venus in Sag 5th hs.) trine Saturn.


I noticed my husband of nearly 50 years has Jupiter in the 1st house exactly opposed to Algol in the 7th thus his life has been rather consistent with being disappointed by other people whether in business when younger, or even when older both in business, family and otherwise. Algol was the key for me to understand why his life has been this way even with his MC cj.Regulus and POF 3Virgo square both Jupiter and the NN.


I see Saturn (in my case 1st house) and Jupiter (in his case 1st house and afflicted) as both being connected strongly to our choice to have our karma be done with, once and for all, as long as we don't ***** up again in this lifetime, neither of us likely will be back. Adios!
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Using Placidius which is my preference, I have Saturn in the 1st house around 14-15 degrees away from the Ascendant. I had to grow up rather quickly, although not emotionally nor intellectually, rather in a practical sense because of sexual abuse in my midst.

I started working early on, as soon as I turned 16 and quit school, for which I still have no regret as I was forced to be self-taught and the type of mind I have doesn't linger long on just one subject alone. Its hard to explain other then to say that the Sidereal chart gives me Gemini Rising rather then Cancer rising..for the mentality. My interests intellectually speaking, ran the gamut in other words although when I find something that moves me emotionally I will study that subject ad-infinitum.


I think that Saturn has been not only my Sun's ruler (Sun-Mer-Mars) all in the 6th house but Saturn trine Venus and the MC among other sextile and trines to heavenly bodies, keeps me rather well grounded all in all. Others see me as older, especially when I was young. I recall my grandmother who knew me rather well saying to me, "I don't know how you'd fare as a mother, because you never played with dolls very much". So I have a rather serious demeanor most of the time through all ages.



My Venus helps me to get out of the doldrums however, and keeps me very socially interested (Venus in Sag 5th hs.) trine Saturn.


I noticed my husband of nearly 50 years has Jupiter in the 1st house exactly opposed to Algol in the 7th thus his life has been rather consistent with being disappointed by other people whether in business when younger, or even when older both in business, family and otherwise. Algol was the key for me to understand why his life has been this way even with his MC cj.Regulus and POF 3Virgo square both Jupiter and the NN.


I see Saturn (in my case 1st house) and Jupiter (in his case 1st house and afflicted) as both being connected strongly to our choice to have our karma be done with, once and for all, as long as we don't ***** up again in this lifetime, neither of us likely will be back. Adios!
Leomoon, that's a lot of Saturn! Sounds like it's not only in your first, it aspects everything in your chart.

Based on your description, your Saturn can only be in Leo (unless its trine to Venus is out of sign), and based on your screen name, so is your Moon. Do you have a Moon/Saturn conjunction, by any chance? You would also be part of the Pluto in Leo generation. Is Pluto conjunct your Saturn too?
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Actually, my Moon is only 1 1/2 deg. from my husband's MC and also conj. Regulus, (I use wider orbs as did horary astrologer Lilly for the more well known fixed stars)



Good guessing, I never was good at visually seeing a chart in my head. I recall going to the A.R.E. clinic for a checkup, and the girl was an astrologer a friend of Jeffrey Green (many years ago) as he's been dead for years too.


Anyway, I was laying on the table and she started peppering me with 2 or 3 questions and figured out my whole chart in her head
My husband is visual (a photographic memory) and I have zero capability as my chart shows for creativity that way:


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Good guessing, I never was good at visually seeing a chart in my head. I recall going to the A.R.E. clinic for a checkup, and the girl was an astrologer a friend of Jeffrey Green (many years ago) as he's been dead for years too.
I'm not that visual either, but I have the order of the signs memorized, I know which outer planet generation is which, and I can do logic! A planet in the first house can only be in the same sign as the ascendant or the next one (maaaybe the third sign if it's a gigantic first house, but that's stretching it) and if a planet within those parameters is trine a Sagittarius planet, it must be in Leo.

That alone doesn't tell me your Pluto placement, but you mentioned the length of your marriage. Everyone currently living who has Saturn in Leo (or late Cancer) and is old enough to have been married for 50 years is in the Pluto in Leo generation.

In Placidus, you've also got Pluto in the first, technically, but at the cusp of the second. Do you see Pluto as more a first house planet or more a second house planet for you?
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I see Pluto as a definite belonging in the 2nd house which rules values & assets for sure!


For ten years I battled (just passing), the transit of Pluto over my Mercury, and until it finally reached Mars, I was truly upset by lawsuits I felt would leave us high & dry after a lifetime of hard work. The 6th also rules civil lawsuits I heard from Vedic astrologers, and when tr Pluto hit Mercury and squared my MC it put me in a kind of internal emotional turmoil which lasted for a few years.


I think it might have been worse, but we had lost our daughter when Pluto hit my BML tr. at 28 deg.Sagittarius in the summer of 2008. There is no question that my value system changed totally and is still forever changed by the transformation of the Pluto's long transit, first over BML in 5th, then entering 6th with Mercury devastation, from which I still suffer PTSD believe it or not when I hear a knock at my door.

Then onto Mars in 6th (2 knee operations over a few years time), then the Sun (can't recall anything much then - now over the 7th and expectations of more life battles which I don't look forward to. )



Actually, it will be 50 yrs next September 2021. 49 now.
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CT, thanks for sharing!

I find it very interesting that not only do you feel your first house planets affect every area of your life, you attribute that entirely to what you do with those planets. Not to the planets acting on you, outside your control. A first house thing, too, perhaps?

Happy lunar return!
Why, thanks Osa, although I wouldn't describe the current LR as "happy". A surprise announcement, and the intensity of events heightening seems to be what this month portends. The next LR, as well as the SR that comes a week later from that have Uranus closely conjunct the angles - telling to the astrologically literate.

The subjective feeling that "it's all in my hands" also might have to do with the fact that all the planets in my chart fall on the left side, as well as Jupiter being the final dispositor. As a supposedly fortunate Sagittarius, making my own luck has been the standard throughout my life. The self-driving has been a catalyst for others to get in gear, which I'd say is a definite plus.
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I have AC 14°, North Node 24° Mars 27° Virgo and Moon 0° Libra in the 1st house, in whole sign just North Node and Mars.

These are all square my Sun 22 Gemini in the 10th house. I would say that honestly, it does affect all areas of my life because I have somewhat of an obsession on how I am perceived by others. I feel like I care way too much about my appearance to others.. to the point it affects how I feel about myself.. In romantic relationships I find that I want to be everything the other person wants.. I've been trying to adjust that narrative and accept myself regardless of how others want me to be. I think in relationships people know that I'm willing to change myself to please them..
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I have AC 14°, North Node 24° Mars 27° Virgo and Moon 0° Libra in the 1st house, in whole sign just North Node and Mars.

These are all square my Sun 22 Gemini in the 10th house. I would say that honestly, it does affect all areas of my life because I have somewhat of an obsession on how I am perceived by others. I feel like I care way too much about my appearance to others.. to the point it affects how I feel about myself.. In romantic relationships I find that I want to be everything the other person wants.. I've been trying to adjust that narrative and accept myself regardless of how others want me to be. I think in relationships people know that I'm willing to change myself to please them..

I noticed a similar behavior in my husband of 49 years, because when you are married THAT long, you know the other person inside out.
He denies it other then to admit that he can morph himself into being what he truly isn't. So, similar to your very intelligent description.


What is very important in life is the old axiom of Shakespeare's line "To thine own self be true".


I rec'd this line from a short term terrible marriage, (never consummated) before I divorced him a few years after we separated realizing that we never should have entered into it. We were both looking for what didn't exist in ourselves. For me, a bad home life, for him (not sure, but he was getting older (I was 19 he was 24) and his parents wanted him settled as the youngest of 3 kids as they were older parents. He tried to please them I suspect. He was airy Aquarius, straight from Uranian forces, and I a practical down to earth Capricorn. We didn't speak the same lingo even, but I admired his musical genius (he played the drums), and his intellect, even if "different". But there was no one to one in the relationship to speak of.


Yet, what I received from him, stayed with me helping to guide my path for decades afterwards and probably will until I die.


Just those few words, "To thine own self be true"...."Then thou canst be false to any other"



Your Sun and ASC are both Mercury ruled and you are a rare person with deep awareness about yourself, willing to admit to flaws you believe it may be which is RARE indeed.


I'd say don't worry about it, realize that we are what we are (as individuals)
the Sun being the personality which is a strong force both without and within, but the sub-conscious niggling you feel is from a higher source, your higher self (soul self)....Let that soul guide you in life and you'll not be sorry you did.


The planets you speak of (the natal chart) is "simply" a reflection of your past lifetimes come together in this one for your soul's reflection and benefit to overcome whatever challenges you meet in this lifetime.


Look to your Sidereal chart which puts your ASC into the prior sign of Leo for clues as to your spiritual self.There are even books out there which may help you understand this concept farther (the late John Wilner wrote "The Perfect Horoscope") and 2 others before he died. He was a scientist an engineer so thought with more a Mercurian Virgoish type of "must take apart and correct" attitude and what he wanted to correct was the natal charts and the "correct way" as he would say to read and understand your own.
Even though he was beyond my comprehension and patience to get through the book when I bought it, an astrologer I do realize is knowledgeable in these things, wrote a long review on Amazon for it, and guided me to this book.



https://www.thriftbooks.com/a/john-willner/502921


The only thing Wilner & I had in personal type of commonality, would be our respect for Edgar Cayce the medium and psychic of the last century, who spoke about the stars and astrology....from there Wilner took off in his own special way and I did as well but more for a lifestyle.


I think YOU have that kind of ability (like John Wilner) to comprehend the deeper meaning of the natal chart but proper guidance because you are already self-aware as though a 3rd person looking at yourself out of yourself. In the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus tells us to "be passerby"



https://www.amazon.com/John-Willner/s?k=John+Willner



Thats a precious gift you must have earned in the other lifetimes of the Soul's many journeys (check your Sidereal chart for clues)
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Just those few words, "To thine own self be true"...."Then thou canst be false to any other"



Your Sun and ASC are both Mercury ruled and you are a rare person with deep awareness about yourself, willing to admit to flaws you believe it may be which is RARE indeed.


I'd say don't worry about it, realize that we are what we are (as individuals)
the Sun being the personality which is a strong force both without and within, but the sub-conscious niggling you feel is from a higher source, your higher self (soul self)....Let that soul guide you in life and you'll not be sorry you did.


The planets you speak of (the natal chart) is "simply" a reflection of your past lifetimes come together in this one for your soul's reflection and benefit to overcome whatever challenges you meet in this lifetime.


Look to your Sidereal chart which puts your ASC into the prior sign of Leo for clues as to your spiritual self.There are even books out there which may help you understand this concept farther (the late John Wilner wrote "The Perfect Horoscope") and 2 others before he died. He was a scientist an engineer so thought with more a Mercurian Virgoish type of "must take apart and correct" attitude and what he wanted to correct was the natal charts and the "correct way" as he would say to read and understand your own.
Even though he was beyond my comprehension and patience to get through the book when I bought it, an astrologer I do realize is knowledgeable in these things, wrote a long review on Amazon for it, and guided me to this book.



https://www.thriftbooks.com/a/john-willner/502921


The only thing Wilner & I had in personal type of commonality, would be our respect for Edgar Cayce the medium and psychic of the last century, who spoke about the stars and astrology....from there Wilner took off in his own special way and I did as well but more for a lifestyle.


I think YOU have that kind of ability (like John Wilner) to comprehend the deeper meaning of the natal chart but proper guidance because you are already self-aware as though a 3rd person looking at yourself out of yourself. In the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus tells us to "be passerby"



https://www.amazon.com/John-Willner/s?k=John+Willner



Thats a precious gift you must have earned in the other lifetimes of the Soul's many journeys (check your Sidereal chart for clues)
I have never looked at my sideral chart, and also I've never read the gospel of thomas but I am familiar with all of the new testament. Very interesting though, I will have to look into both as well as John Willner's books. Thank you leomoon.

also I wanted to say Mercury is right on my Midheaven too.
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Since your ruler is right on an angle, its very important as you know.

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/...ings-of-jesus/

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Hi!

I have my Pisces moon, Aquarius Uranus, and Aquarius Neptune all in the 1st house.

I'm not sure about my 1st house Uranus affecting me in a very noticeable way since I already have the influence of an Aquarius ascendant. One thing about me is that I am bisexual which is something I attribute to Uranus and Aquarius since it is considered androgynous. My Pisces moon in the 1st house is definitely a big influencer on my personality since I often express my emotions easily to strangers that I haven't talked to before (maybe it's just my Aquarius rising being weird again).
My Neptune in the 1st house has consciously been a huge effector on my way of viewing myself. With this planet influencing my 1st house and conjunct my ascendant, I noticed that I can't see myself the way other people see me. Which can play out in multiple ways; one of them is my appearance. I look completely different (in my eyes) from what I see in the mirror and what I see in the camera. It's likely just camera angles, but it shows the amount of confusion I have in regards to my physical appearance. I believe Neptune can cause illusions on the image of oneself which can be either negative or positive. In a negative aspect, I believe it could possibly be linked to mental disorders such as body dysmorphia.
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