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Indicators of the significant relationship in the Solar Chart

Hi guys.According to some astrologers indicators of the significant relationship, new or marriage should be seen in the Solar Charts.Do you have some experience with this?And if yes, could you write which aspects of planets or points can signify important relationship or love?
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Re: Indicators of the significant relationship in the Solar Chart

Edit: Never mind on my previous question. I should have known based on the section it was posted in but I read posts via "New Posts".

There are a variety of indicators but most revolve around activity involving the 7th/DSC, Moon, Venus, Mars and/or 5th house for relationships and dating but not marriage.

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Edit: Never mind on my previous question. I should have known based on the section it was posted in but I read posts via "New Posts".

There are a variety of indicators but most revolve around activity involving the 7th/DSC, Moon, Venus, Mars and/or 5th house for relationships and dating but not marriage.
What about Pluto and Neptune? And maybe Saturn?
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There are a variety of indicators but most revolve around activity involving the 7th/DSC, Moon, Venus, Mars and/or 5th house for relationships and dating but not marriage.
Yes, I know that the most simply is to look which planets are the 7th or 5th house in the SR or if the Ascendent of the Solar Return is in the 7th or 5th house of the Natal Chart.But I would like to know more about it, what about Venus, Mars or Moon, is there any significant placement or aspects which signify important relationship, love or marriage in the Solar Return?
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What about Pluto and Neptune? And maybe Saturn?
What about them? In and of themselves they aren't indicators of a relationship.

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Yes, I know that the most simply is to look which planets are the 7th or 5th house in the SR or if the Ascendent of the Solar Return is in the 7th or 5th house of the Natal Chart.But I would like to know more about it, what about Venus, Mars or Moon, is there any significant placement or aspects which signify important relationship, love or marriage in the Solar Return?
Yes, there are such as harmonious aspects between them, e.g. Moon conjunct Venus. IME though, there is usually more than one indicator, such as in transits, etc as well.
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Guys could you give me some your personal example of the concrete positions and aspects of planets, which you had in the Solar Return when you began important relationship, had marriage or fell in love with somebody? This is interestend me and for this I would be thankful you.
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Guys could you give me some your personal example of the concrete positions and aspects of planets, which you had in the Solar Return when you began important relationship, had marriage or fell in love with somebody? This is interestend me and for this I would be thankful you.
Okay, personal examples.

For the year I was engaged:

SR Venus conjunct Neptune square Jupiter, conjunct natal Venus.

Saturn and North Node conjunct the DSC. Saturn rules DSC natally.

Natal 7th house on the SR MC , Natal 10th house on the SR ASC.

Stellium in 11th house (all personal placements besides Moon). These planets fell in my natal 8th house.

Moon in 6th square Pluto.

Take what you will from that.
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Guys could you give me some your personal example of the concrete positions and aspects of planets, which you had in the Solar Return when you began important relationship, had marriage or fell in love with somebody? This is interestend me and for this I would be thankful you.

First, everyone will have different indications, because we have different charts. My 5th house may not have the same ruler as yours, for instance. Here's a visual example:



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The SR planets are on the outer wheel. The natal chart is on the inside.

The SR Asc ruler is Jupiter. Since this is the 18th year, the profectional year lord is the 7th sign, (Pisces in my chart) who is also ruled by Jupiter.

I've highlighted SR Saturn, and SR Jupiter. Natal moon makes a partile (exact) trine to SR Saturn square to SR Jupiter within 1 degree.

Saturn is the 5th house ruler in my natal chart. Jupiter rules the 7th house. Saturn aspects Moon in my natal chart. Moon aspects Jupiter also in my chart.

During this year, there were 3 individuals who's Jupiter's and Saturn's made a partile (exact) aspect to my moon and who were into me. No joke.

We can see that because it's the 7th sign profectional year, Jupiter was activated, and also Moon, Saturn, Venus and Mercury, who are in the 7th sign of Pisces were also activated.

To sum everything up, I have a Moon-Jupiter aspect and a Moon-Saturn aspect in my natal chart. There is a Moon-Jupiter and Moon-Saturn aspect in the 2013 SR. During 2013, the 7th sign of Pisces in my chart was activated, and the ruler Jupiter was activated, along with Mercury, Moon, Saturn and Venus who are in the 7th sign of Pisces.

I would recommend to anyone who doesn't study profections to give it a try. As you can see, it's a very useful technique for SR chart delineation(s) and easy to learn too.
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Re: Indicators of the significant relationship in the Solar Chart

Thank you sibylline for your interest.

Next year I think that I will have one of the most significant years in my life according to the SR because I will have SR Ascendent on the exact conjunction with my natal Ascendent in Aries.My Solar Return will be copy my Natal Chart.I will have full 11th house of planets in the Solar Return - Venus in Aquarius, Mars conjunct South Node in Pisces and also Neptune
there.SR Venus will make trine to my natal Mars in the end of the 6th house.SR Moon in Sagitarius will be in the 8th SR house (also natal 8th house) in conjunction with the natal South Node. SR Jupiter will be conjunct natal Mars in the 6th house. I have natal and also SR Descendant in Libra conjunct natal Pluto and natal Moon in Libra. I think this SR will be more breakup than engagement but I'm interested in your opinion.Thankx.
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Re: Indicators of the significant relationship in the Solar Chart

Interesting thread.

The year one of my best friends started the relationship she's in now, she had:
SR Moon conjunct SR DC
SR Moon trine SR Uranus
SR Saturn in the SR 5th house
SR Sun, AS, Jupiter and Mars in natal 5th house

Transit wise she had:
Saturn trine Mercury, her 5th house ruling planet
Uranus sextile Venus

Progressions:
Progressed Venus conjunct Mercury
Progressed Moon sextile Mercury
Progressed Moon sextile Mars

The heavy Mercury influence makes sense since her 5th house cusp is in Gemini and her SO is a Gemini. What I also found interesting is her transits, progressions and SR indicated love, but she has stressful aspects with her 7th house ruling planet, the Sun--indicating commitment will be hard to come from this relationship, which is exactly what's happened. She's in love with her SO but for various reasons he's not able/willing to commit to her the way she wants which is marriage.



I'm not in a relationship myself but I have multiple transits and progressions indicating I will begin one this year or in 2017 that could lead to marriage in 2018-9.

Transits:
Uranus trine Venus
Saturn sextile Mars, my 5th house ruling planet
Saturn conjunct Venus
Jupiter conjunct Mars
Saturn sextile Mercury, my 7th house ruling planet

Progressions:
pSun sextile Mars
pVenus square Mars
pVenus sextile Sun
pMercury sextile Mars
4 additional progressions involving MC
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Re: Indicators of the significant relationship in the Solar Chart

Thank you Erulastiel14 for your examples. I also have an example of one friend who just have a significant year for marriage in the SR. Actually he has began new relationship before few months and I think this one could lead to marriage.

In Solar Return Chart he has:
SR Ascendant in 7th house in Aries
SR Descendant in 1st house in Libra
SR Venus conjunct SR Descendant
SR MC exactly conjunct natal IC - Im not sure that it is important aspect in this case

In transits he has:
long lasting transit Saturn trine natal Venus
transit Jupiter is going soon make conjunction to natal Ascendent in Libra

Let us know how will be your next year and when you will meet sombedy, if it would lead to marriage. Thanx

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Thank you Erulastiel14 for your examples.

Let us know how will be your next year and when you will meet sombedy, if it would lead to marriage. Thanx
Will do. I also for got to add in my upcoming SR, my birthday is next month and I have

SR Moon conjunct SR DC
SR Moon trine SR Uranus
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Will do. I also for got to add in my upcoming SR, my birthday is next month and I have

SR Moon conjunct SR DC
SR Moon trine SR Uranus
Hmm, I will be also having such this aspect in new SR but in my case natal Moon will conjuct SR DC and also SR Moon will conjuct South Node in 8th SR house.

Im just remember my SR when I began my last relationship.
In SR I had:

SR DC conjunct SR Uranus and also SR South Node was there
SR AC conjunct as well SR North Node in Libra and fell to natal 6th house
SR Moon made trine to natal Venus in 7th house but also square to natal Jupiter
SR Mars, Neptune and Chiron were in SR 5th house.

Let me know how it will be your next year, thanx.
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Thank you sibylline for your interest[...]I think this SR will be more breakup than engagement but I'm interested in your opinion.Thankx.
The SR looks okay but the transits don't look so good, I have to admit.

So I have with a few more examples:

I think the first one is interesting. A friend, who married a few years ago, but was separated and divorced in three years:

SR Cancer Ascendant with Moon/Jupiter/Uranus/ conjunction near the MC, opposite Saturn and square Pluto - T-square

SR Ascendant is in natal 4th

SR Sun opposite Neptune/Chiron conjunction

SR Venus conjunct Mars sextile Neptune in 4th house, falls in 6th house in natal

His ex-wife, birth time unknown, so I will only mention the aspects:

Grand Cross between Saturn, Pluto, Moon, Jupiter/Uranus. SR Saturn conjuncts her Libra stellium.

SR Venus conjunct Mars sextile Neptune

SR Moon sextile SR Sun/Mercury
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Re: Indicators of the significant relationship in the Solar Chart

Then I went way back in the time machine to look at my parents' SR for the year they were married.

For my mother:

SR Ascendant is in natal 10th house

SR Sun exact conjunction with Venus and IC, trine SR Pluto, conjunct natal Mercury (natal Sun ruler). In natal 1st house

SR Mars/Saturn in 8th sextile Moon/Jupiter. Fell in natal 6th house.

Moon/Jupiter in the 10th SR, natal 8th house

Mercury in 3rd SR, natal 1st house

For my father:

SR Ascendant is in natal 10th house

Sun, Venus, Merc in 11th, in 8th and 9th (latter two) natally. SR Venus square Saturn, trine Uranus, SR Sun square SR Moon.

Grand Trine with Moon, Merc, and Neptune. Moon in 8th SR, 5th natal.

SR Mars, Saturn, and Pluto in 2nd, fall in 11th natal. SR Jupiter and Neptune in 4th, fall in 1st house in natal


Looking at many charts I'm noticing the prominence of the MC and 10th house. Perhaps because of the public nature of a wedding or engagement and the house's relation to one's reputation and position in life?
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I looked at my parents SR charts the year they met and the year they married. They dated for 4 years before marriage.

Mom --> The year she met my dad:
SR Mercury, Uranus, Mars, Venus stellium in SR 5th house

Mom --> The year she married my dad:
SR Jupiter, Saturn, Sun, Pluto, Mercury stellium in SR 7th house
SR Mars in SR 5th house
SR Venus trine SR Ascendant

Dad --> The year he met my mom:
SR Neptune in SR 5th house
SR Neptune trine SR Ascendant/sextile Descendant

Dad --> The year he married my mom:
SR Moon combust SR Descendant
SR Venus in SR 7th house
SR Saturn/SR Pluto trine SR Descendant/SR Moon
SR Neptune sextile SR Descendant/SR Moon

Pretty clear for both but I'm at my mom's. Especially because her birthday falls in some curious places in the timeline of their relationship. I had to use the rule that SR charts can become active 3 months before the native's birthday.
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Looking at many charts I'm noticing the prominence of the MC and 10th house. Perhaps because of the public nature of a wedding or engagement and the house's relation to one's reputation and position in life?
Yes, I agree with you. MC or 10th house in SR can notice marriage or engagement because both are public events. But also 7th house can mark or 8th house. Thank you for examples of marriage in SR.
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Guys could you give me some your personal example of the concrete positions and aspects of planets, which you had in the Solar Return when you began important relationship, had marriage or fell in love with somebody? This is interestend me and for this I would be thankful you.
Have you read the sticky? The OP gave excellent examples on how to find these indicators. I hate to rehash, but you look for repetition. Go back to your past SR's for when you had relationships and you'll see something stick out.

For me, it's SR Venus conjunct my natal Saturn (5th house ruler) and both fall into the natal 7th. There are more indications---I was trying to sort it out recently.

I'm not a huge fan of lists so I'll post a chart.

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Next year I think that I will have one of the most significant years in my life according to the SR
Really? Do you use profections? As an aside, I don't know if I should be mentioning this because I'm still unsure, but I've noticed that when the lord of the year, and the SR Asc ruler are the same (planet or sign? not sure yet,) that the year was life changing and very important for me.

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Looking at many charts I'm noticing the prominence of the MC and 10th house. Perhaps because of the public nature of a wedding or engagement and the house's relation to one's reputation and position in life?
You may be on to something. I've noticed very exact MC contacts in the year I'm supposed to get married.
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How old are you? I read when a person is 33 years old his/her ascendant in SR it's the same that Natal chart!
Yes, that's right, Im 33 now. But what does it mean? It s something significant when you have 33 years and Solar Return Chart copies your Natal Chart?
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Yes, I read at Spanish astrology forum that when you are 33 years old, this year is really important to you because the sun fulfill its promise in the natal chart.

For example, Diego Maradona has Scorpio ascendant, his sun in Scorpio (10th ruler) is conjunct Neptune in XII house. In 1994 FIFA world cup, we saw the end of Maradona's career because he had tested positive in drugs.

He lost (XII) his reputation and career (X) by drugs (neptune) in 1994 (33 years old)

Of course, there are other cases, for example a woman who has sun in 7th house with good aspects, met her husband at 33 years old..

I hope you can understand me! My english is not so good!.

I read the information in Spanish in: foro.astrodestino
Wow, that looks great this year for me! Thanks for your comment, and your English is fine, I understand every word which you wrote.

Actually, Ive decided to make order in my life in the beginnig of this year and Ive just made some important decisions which should lead to improvements of my life. Everything goes pretty well, so I hope this will contintue for whole year.
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How old are you? I read when a person is 33 years old his/her ascendant in SR it's the same that Natal chart!
I'm not sure about this. I've had two SRs so far that have been the same as my natal and I'm only turning 30 this year. The first one was shortly after I graduated college, the second is the one that I'm currently in (29th SR).
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I'm not sure about this. I've had two SRs so far that have been the same as my natal and I'm only turning 30 this year. The first one was shortly after I graduated college, the second is the one that I'm currently in (29th SR).
If you are now 29th years old, there is a big chance that this year will bring you significant changes into your life according to Saturns return on your natal position. Its the time when youll get maturity and Saturn works pretty well to count all your past work for the last 29 years of your life. You should be pretty sure about coming changes into your life.
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If you are now 29th years old, there is a big chance that this year will bring you significant changes into your life according to Saturns return on your natal position. Its the time when youll get maturity and Saturn works pretty well to count all your past work for the last 29 years of your life. You should be pretty sure about coming changes into your life.
Hahaha, yes. I started my Saturn Return about a month and a half after my birthday and it certainly has been an... Experience
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Hahaha, yes. I started my Saturn Return about a month and a half after my birthday and it certainly has been an... Experience
So, you can looking for what changes Saturn is going to bring you. Its depend on your natal Saturn position, where it is placed in your natal chart and which house is ruling. Certainly, you can be pretty sure that Saturn turn direction of your life and makes everything in order but this process can be little bit of losing your dreams and illusion but finally youll thank Saturn for its work.
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I'm not married but so far in my adult life I've had two major relationships that played a huge role and were significantly memorable, both in terms of the relationship and the break up.

So, an important thing to note about my Natal chart is that I have a "magic Envelope" figuration that hits my Libra 1 (Pluto in Scorpio)/Sagittarius 3 (Neptune RX in Capricorn)/Aries 7 (Jupiter RX in Aries)/Gemini 9 (Chiron in Gemini) Houses. I'm bringing this up because there's a pattern of heavy activity and planets in those signs or my ascendant in those signs for when I've been involved in said relationships. Also to note - The two men I was involved with were both Tauruses.

Met Intensely Karmic connection (started as a summer fling, became something bigger years later)
SR Gemini ASC
SR Moon in Natal sign (first time it ever happened since I was born)
SR Moon conjunct natal Moon
SR Mars and Mercury conjunct in 5H in Libra
SR Pluto in 7H in Sagittarius
SR Mars and Mercury square Moon
SR Mars and Mercury Trine Chiron
SR Kite figuration with Cancer Moon, Virgo Sun, Scorpio Jupiter and Pisces Uranus Retrograde
SR Juno, Amor, Venus conjunct natal Mars
SR Mercury/Mars conjunct natal South Node
SR Jupiter opposite natal Vertex in Taurus
SR Moon Sextile natal Vertex in Taurus
SR Venus Trine natal Vertex in Taurus
SR Pisces Uranus Sextile natal Vertex in Taurus
Natal Moon trine SR Scorpio Vertex
[B]Natal Pluto conjunct SR Scorpio Vertex
And a whole butt load of aspects to my Natal Chiron
SR MC exactly on my Natal Juno
SR SN conjunct Natal Sun/Venus, SR NN opposite natal Sun/Venus
SR IC conjunct Natal 11H, SR MC conjunct natal 5H

Dated long time love/crush/friend
SR Leo Ascendant
SR Venus in Leo in SR 12H
SR Mars in SR 11H in Gemini
SR NN in Pisces 7H
SR Pisces Uranus in Aqua 7H
SR Pluto in Sagittarius in 5H
SR Scorpio Moon in 4H
SR Scorpio Moon square Venus/Chiron/Neptune
SR Scorpio Moon trine Pisces Uranus RX
SR YOD between Uranus RX/Mercury/Venus
SR Grand Cross between Sun, Mars, Pluto and Uranus
SR Grand Trine between Gemini Mars, Libra Mercury and Neptune RX
SR MC in Taurus
SR Scorpio Moon opposite Natal Taurus Vertex
SR Venus Square natal Taurus Vertex
SR NN trine Natal Moon
SR NN sextile Natal Neptune
SR NN trine Natal Pluto
SR Vertex square natal Mercury
SR Vertex trine natal Mars


Year when First Love dumped me
SR ASC in Scorpio
SR Mars/Mercury/Venus conjunct in Libra in 12H
SR Pisces Moon and Uranus RX in 5H (they were moving away from each other, this was triggered by an opposition to my Sun - He dumped me on my birthday )
SR Taurus Vesta RX conjunct Natal Vertex
Mercury/Venus conjunct separated from Mars by Natal ASC
SR Sun square Natal Chiron
SR Moon square Natal Chiron

SR Jupiter and Saturn trine Natal Taurus Vertex to the degree - This retroactively proves to be relevant as the guy from my Karmic Connection from my Summer Fling re-entered my life shortly after

Year I entered LTR (4 years) with Karmic Connection
SR Libra ASC at 29*49'
SR Aries Uranus RX in 5H

SR Leo Venus in 10H conjunct MC
SR NN conjunct SR Juno in Scorpio
SR Saturn in Libra in 12H trine SR Neptune RX and Chiron RX in Pisces
SR Moon/Sun/Mercury in Virgo in SR 11H
SR Moon Trine SR Pluto RX in Capricorn
SR 1H Mars Sextile SR Moon/Trine SR Chiron RX
SR Jupiter in Gemini in 8H sextile SR Venus/Square SR Moon and Sun
SR Moon conjunct Natal Mars
SR Mercury conjunct Natal Venus
SR Pluto conjunct Natal Neptune
SR 7H Cusp conjunct natal Jupiter
SR moon trine Natal Vertex
SR Venus square natal Vertex
SR Mars opposite natal Vertex

And a butt load of aspects to natal Chiron

Year Karmic connection and I broke up (current SR)
SR ASC in Libra
SR Libra Venus conjunct SR ASC
SR Libra Venus opposite SR Aries Uranus RX on SR 7H Cusp/Square SR Pluto RX in Capricorn
SR Venus sextile SR Sagittarius Mars
SR Uranus RX trine SR Mars
SR Sun opposite SR Pisces Moon in 5H
SR Moon conjunct SR Pisces Neptune RX in 5H (they are moving towards each other... which is apt as it feels like we have unfinished business)
SR Pisces Chiron in 5H opposite SR Sun and Mercury RX in 11H
SR Neptune sextile SR Mars
SR Vertex in Taurus in 8H
SR Venus conjunct Natal ASC
SR Jupiter conjunct Natal SN to the degree/Conjunct Natal Venus
SR Mars conjunct natal Uranus
SR NN conjunct Natal Mars/Sextile Natal Moon, Square Natal Saturn
SR Mercury RX conjunct natal Mars
SR Mercury RX trine Natal Vertex
SR Pluto trine Vertex
SR Vertex Trine Sun


Me and the Karmic Connection broke up last year shortly after my birthday (and people wonder why I'm never a big fan of it LOL), but I looked ahead at my SR for next year and noticed my Solar Return Moon is, once again, in my natal sign. There's also a kite, once again, that includes many of the same planets from that first karmic connect SR except this time, it's pointing towards my MC rather than my IC like it did that first year. There's also a number of T-Squares that hit my Moon and the Magic Envelope in my Natal is once again, heavily triggered so... I'll be sure to report back on what that could mean.

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