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Looking back - can a cycle of ups & downs in a life be seen?

I'm looking back from my great age of 58 years old, and thinking about my life, the choices I made and the periods where things were desperately going wrong.

Can these periods be seen in a chart?

At 18/19 I was married to someone who ultimately became a notorious criminal in Canada, recently deported. I moved to England to get away from him. That was around 1980 ish. Maybe earlier.

In 1999 I had another terrible relationship, a life disrupting time. It almost destroyed me, and was hot on the heels of a 16 year marriage break up in 1997/8.

In 2009/10 so much happened - my dad passed away and I lost an important job. I found a series of random and generally soul destroying jobs ... a pattern until June 2019 --> when I may have found the best job I'll ever have, and now life seems stable.

I'm so used to terribly bad luck, probably due to poor choices I now recognize, but I'm worried an anvil is going to fall from the sky.

I would be grateful if anyone can see patterns in my chart and possibly tell me where to stand when that anvil falls, if you hear me. I'm waiting for it.

Thanks for any insights.

I'll attach my natal chart from astrodienst.
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Re: Looking back - can a cycle of ups & downs in a life be seen?

First I was reading the story and I thought 'she definitely has a Yod in her chart'. And Bingo.....

And the anvil, which is your 2nd Saturn Return is coming steadily.....
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I'm looking back from my great age of 58 years old, and thinking
about my life, the choices I made and the periods where things were desperately going wrong.

Can these periods be seen in a chart?
ANCIENT ZODIACAL RELEASING TIMING TECHNIQUE
divides your life into chapters and paragraphs
and helps to identify your life story.


In ancient Hellenistic astrology
there were several different time-lord techniques
that were used
to determine when the potential of placements in the birth chart
would be awakened, although many of them were lost
in the transmission of astrology over the past 2000 years.

Zodiacal releasing is a time-lord technique
that has been recovered over the past two decades
through translations
of the Greek text of the 2nd century astrologer Vettius Valens.


astrologers Chris Brennan and Leisa Schaim
present a 4-hour workshop on the technique
in order to provide the audience with a broad overview
and introduction to zodiacal releasing.
There is a long set of show notes
which outline
some of the main points made during the course of this episode
of THE ASTROLOGY PODCAST http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...ing-technique/


free website that calculate ZR now

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At 18/19 I was married to someone who ultimately became a notorious criminal in Canada, recently deported. I moved to England to get away from him. That was around 1980 ish. Maybe earlier.

In 1999 I had another terrible relationship, a life disrupting time. It almost destroyed me, and was hot on the heels of a 16 year marriage break up in 1997/8.

In 2009/10 so much happened - my dad passed away and I lost an important job. I found a series of random and generally soul destroying jobs ... a pattern until June 2019 --> when I may have found the best job I'll ever have, and now life seems stable.

I'm so used to terribly bad luck, probably due to poor choices I now recognize, but I'm worried an anvil is going to fall from the sky.

I would be grateful if anyone can see patterns in my chart

and possibly tell me where to stand when that anvil falls, if you hear me. I'm waiting for it.

Thanks for any insights.

I'll attach my natal chart from astrodienst.
Calculating Zodiacal Releasing Periods



  • Identify the sign that each lot is placed in.
  • Start from the lot that matches the topic you want to study.
  • The quality of the lot provides the context of the resulting periods.
    • Spirit: career, overall life direction, actions
    • Fortune: health, accidents, the body, that which befalls you.
    • Eros: relationships, marriage, love.
  • Each sign of the zodiac is attributed a certain number of years:
    • Aries and Scorpio: 15
    • Taurus and Libra: 8
    • Gemini and Virgo: 20
    • Cancer: 25
    • Leo: 19
    • Sagittarius and Pisces: 12
    • Capricorn: 27
    • Aquarius: 30
  • The sign the lot falls in is activated for the number of years associated with that sign.
  • Once those years are up, the next sign in zodiacal order is activated.
  • It is called zodiacal releasing because you release the significator from its fixed position
    • Zodiacal “aphesis”
  • It keeps moving forward in zodiacal order as long as the native is alive.
  • Moves at a variable rate, not fixed or constant. Symbolic.
  • For the purpose of calculation 360 day years and 30 day months are used.
  • There are also subperiods to study shorter durations.
    • Signs attributed months instead of years on level 2.
    • Each subperiod is 1/12 of the general period.
    • Four subperiods.
    • Level 3: “weeks” of 2.5 days (1/12 of Level 2)
    • Level 4: “days” of 5 hours (1/12 of Level 3)
  • For the purpose of this we will focus mainly on level 1 and level 2
    • General periods and first subperiods
    • The technique though becomes even more impressive seeing it on lower levels.
  • If Spirit and Fortune are in the same sign, move Spirit forward one sign.
Software Programs for Calculating Zodiacal Releasing

  • Zodiacal releasing used to only be in Delphic Oracle.

    ZODIACAL RELEASING

    Peak Periods
  • The signs that are angular from the Lot of Fortune are more active and important
  • Coincide with periods of heightened importance and activity when activated.
    • What I call “peak periods”
  • When you start from Spirit and it comes to angles from Fortune these are career peaks
  • When you start from Eros and it comes to angles from Fortune relationship peaks
  • Periods of heightened importance and activity are not necessarily positive.
    • Just more active and more important.
  • Peak periods tend to stand out in a person’s chronology.
  • True especially in general periods, but also in subperiods.
Angular Triads
  • Peak periods do not happen in isolation
  • The sign that comes before a peak period builds up to and prepares for the peak
  • The sign after the peak period carries forward and brings to completion these themes
  • This cluster of three signs is known as an angular triad.
    • Term introduced by Schmidt to name something implicitly used in ancient astrology.
  • You must look at periods as a sequence with a beginning, middle, and end.
Interpreting the Quality of a Period
  • The quality of a period is primarily determined by:
    • Planets in the activated sign
    • Planets aspecting the activated sign by square or opposition
    • The condition of the ruler of the sign.
  • I tend to emphasize planets in or aspecting the sign more than the ruler.
    • Other astrologers focus more on the ruler.
    • Valens initially seems to favor the ruler, but in the examples focuses on the sign
  • The benefics and malefics primarily dictate the subjective experience of the period.
    • If it is experienced as more subjectively positive or negative.
    • The starting Lot you release from provides the context.
  • Important to use sect to determine the most positive and negative planets.
    • Day chart: Jupiter most positive planet, Mars the most negative.
    • Night chart: Venus the most positive planet, Saturn the most negative.
    • The other benefic and malefic are more moderate in their inclinations.
  • The signs angular to the most positive planet will be experienced as the most positive
    • The signs angular to most negative planet experienced as most negative.
    • Angular here means in the same sign, square, or opposed by sign.
    • Sign-based aspects from the benefics and malefics.
  • See where most positive and negative planets fall in the angular triads.
  • Is the most positive planet angular from Fortune, or the most negative planet?
    • Peak periods can be active, but not necessarily experienced as easy or positive.
  • Are benefics activated in the build up period or the cool down phase?
    • Malefics in the build up period or the cool down phase?
The Loosing of the Bond
  • Occurs in some of the signs that are longer than 17 years.
  • On the subperiod it completes the cycle through all 12 signs.
  • Instead of starting the cycle over again, it jumps to the opposite sign.
  • Resumes cycle from opposite sign.
  • This is called the loosing of the bond or the breaking of the sequence.
  • Always happens about 17 and a half years into general period, but on level 2.
    • Loosing of the bond can also occurs on L3 and L4.
  • Always marks a major transition
    • In Spirit it is a major transition in the career and life direction
    • In Eros a transition in relationships
    • In Fortune sometimes a transition in body, health, or circumstances.
  • It is one of the more reliable parts of the technique
  • Often very dramatic or notable.
  • Usually marked by an L or LB in most programs.
  • There are a few different scenarios of what occurs.
  • Foreshadowing period
    • The loosing of the bond is the second time that sign is activated.
    • The first time it is activated 8 years earlier often offers a preview of the LB
    • Sometimes the person almost does something but doesn’t finish/follow through
    • When the LB happens they follow through the second time around.
    • Chris discovered this through working with clients.
Other Stuff
  • Lots of other stuff we can’t get into here.
  • There are many other interpretive principles.
    • Completion period
    • Culmination period
    • Activating the ruler of Spirit
    • Activating the ruler of the general period
  • Not necessary to go into all of that here.
  • Most of it is dealt with in Chris’ full 18-hour lecture.

Miscellaneous
  • We touch on philosophical issues the technique raises several times in the episode.
  • Talk about some personal experiences with the technique.
  • Realizations/thoughts from using it over time
  • A bunch of other points made throughout the episode were omitted in this outline.
  • http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...ing-technique/
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Re: Looking back - can a cycle of ups & downs in a life be seen?

Yod, finger of god - i would have thought would bring me great good luck. Could use some guidance on this.

Second saturn return. I am at a point where I'm starting to be comfortable with who I am, truthful recognition of my limitations and motives to act in my own best interest vs. accommodating others. In fact, starting to fit in and be the popular person I was when younger - now in an office environment instead of the arts. But. I really don't want another extended period of emotional trauma.

What is interesting as I was noticing that these things tend to happen in 10 year cycles. Trying to remember what '89 was like, and I think it was the time I got out of the arts and got a desk job ... ushering in a time of very hard work and illustrating that whereas I fit in with artists and creatives, I was seen as a misfit in an office. I worked hard though, right up and into 2009 (when I slammed into a very ugly time). I find the timing interesting. Looks like the 89 period was the first Saturn return (around 28/30?).
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First I was reading the story and I thought 'she definitely has a Yod in her chart'. And Bingo.....

And the anvil, which is your 2nd Saturn Return is coming steadily.....

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Second saturn return. I am at a point where I'm starting to be comfortable with who I am, truthful recognition of my limitations and motives to act in my own best interest vs. accommodating others. In fact, starting to fit in and be the popular person I was when younger - now in an office environment instead of the arts. But. I really don't want another extended period of emotional trauma.

What is interesting as I was noticing that these things tend to happen in 10 year cycles. Trying to remember what '89 was like, and I think it was the time I got out of the arts and got a desk job ... ushering in a time of very hard work and illustrating that whereas I fit in with artists and creatives, I was seen as a misfit in an office. I worked hard though, right up and into 2009 (when I slammed into a very ugly time). I find the timing interesting. Looks like the 89 period was the first Saturn return (around 28/30?).
PROFECTIONS are useful in tandem with other HELLENISTIC TIME LORD techniques
such as those linked to on the podcast already mentioned
Valens and many now termed Hellenistic Astrologers time profections as follows:


The ascendant is considered as being time of birth
so from birth to the cusp of the 2nd house
is considered to relate to the first year of life:
from cusp of 2nd to cusp of 3rd encompasses the second year of life
(ie from age one to age two)
and so on around the natal chart
returning to the Ascendant for the twelfth year of life
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Yes, I find profection to be the most accurate of our predictive tools
working from the natal chart (with simple symbolic progression coming in a close second,
and the 2 worked together really productive of impressive results);
the question is which system of profection to follow-
Solar Fire I believe uses the Egyptian method,
counting the birth ascending sign as year 0;
probably 99% of those using profection follow this method:
I have had good results with it too, but
have come to prefer the Pauline profection
as I have described it in earlier posts.
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Re: Looking back - can a cycle of ups & downs in a life be seen?

As a fellow Yod bearer I was always thinking which finger of God is the Yod...

I realized that God simply gave us the middle finger...

The Yod bearers who can actually work with their Yod in a productive way is infinitesimally few.
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I'm looking back from my great age of 58 years old, and thinking about my life, the choices I made and the periods where things were desperately going wrong.

Can these periods be seen in a chart?
The quick answer is yes, but it would be necessary to have a working knowledge of what astrological symbolism means and understand the astro. techniques of transits and progressions to the natal chart.

If you would care to wile away a few interesting hours during the winter, go to Astro. com, click on 'all about astrology', then on the free 9000 yr. ephemeris available. Click on your birth century, year, and then follow down to your month/date. Every day following your birth equals one year of life.
E.g. Doing it manually and as a simple example, you will see that 4th April 1962 would coincide with 'events' that took place around 1980.

All the personal planets move at their specific rates of daily motion and can aspect a natal planet at some time or other. In the month following your birth, even secondary progressed Jupiter's rate of motion led it towards activating and completing its long time natal conjunction with Mercury-Mars.
This would have been around 21st April 1962 = 1997 progressed.
Etc. etc.
Such progressions usually infer a once in a lifetime change.

Writing down the years that progressed planets activate a natal planet and THEN looking up the transits during that particular year can often see a correspondence with situations. they resemble 'the trigger' that sets something off.

The zodiacal cycles of planets can also be of significance in timing.

By the time you've finished the exercise, spring might be around the corner, and you will be a lot wiser.
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Thanks for so many pointers towards further research - long term projects but winter is coming, so - thanks.

The Yod formation has caught my attention (who could ignore a formation that is supposed to indicate a life purpose??) so have done a web check. Here's a rookie attempt at interpretation, pls add if you feel you can - it will be much appreciated:

YOD FORMATION:
In my natal chart, I have Mercury quincunx Uranus paired with Mars quincunx uranus ... these are (terminology?) sextile? in the 3rd house and in sign of Pisces (where my sun is). Uranus, is in the 9th house in Leo. I'm supposed to look at 3rd house. Home/siblings/communications.

What concerns me here is that I have PROBLEMS communicating. I may resemble or even be a bit autistic. Is this the expression of my Yod? And I often avoid people, even friendly people who know me and who I should be friendly towards. I may fear disappointing them.

I have 'inspired' ideas on which I act very impulsively. I have done alot of interesting things impulsively. Some worked out. Others were unfathomable, wind driven things the result of opportunity meeting impulse control issues.

I'm going to say from life experience that my choice of partner is more impulsive than reasoned. I have made some bad partner choices, and that is understating bad.

I am not finding my life's meaning in this interpretation, rather just characteristics. Would appreciate help with interpretation as I understand a yod is a meaningful configuration in a natal chart.
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YOD FORMATION:
In my natal chart, I have Mercury quincunx Uranus paired with Mars quincunx uranus ... these are (terminology?) sextile? in the 3rd house and in sign of Pisces (where my sun is). Uranus, is in the 9th house in Leo. I'm supposed to look at 3rd house. Home/siblings/communications.

What concerns me here is that I have PROBLEMS communicating. I may resemble or even be a bit autistic. Is this the expression of my Yod?
It could be one of the functions of your yod, but it really depends on what else is going on with your Mercury. What a yod involving Mercury might do is bring whatever Mercury-related issues you have into sharp focus. Without it, you might still have the same issues, but they might not feel like as much of a problem to you.

However, I would expect that to be the case if your yod were pointing to Mercury. It's not. In fact, you don't even have Mercury involved in a yod. For a yod to occur, there have to be two planets that are sextile each other and both quincunx a third planet. A conjunction is not a sextile. Also, your Mercury/Mars conjunction is not quincunx Uranus. It's in an out of sign opposition to Uranus, not a quincunx. To be a quincunx, planets have to be 150 degrees apart, give or take no more than 2-3 degrees (some use an even lower limit, requiring the orb to be 1.5 degrees or less). Your Mercury/Mars cojunction is a few degrees away from a 180 degree angle to Uranus.

Mercury is in fall in Pisces, meaning it doesn't function as "well" as you expect. Mercury is "supposed" to be detail oriented and quick witted. In Pisces, it functions more as a big picture thinker, maybe missing some details. You don't think things through, you just do them (unless something else in your chart pushes you more strongly into thinking things through, but even then, the Mercury in you doesn't function that way). Inspired ideas that you act on impulsively perfectly fits that picture, and your tendency to act impulsively is reflected in your Mars conjunct Mercury. Pisces is not necessarily an impulsive sign (thought not necessarily a not impulsive sign either), but Mars is a very impulsive planet, and when it's conjunct another planet, the other planet gets fed its impulsive energy.
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Re: Looking back - can a cycle of ups & downs in a life be seen?

Hello~
would quickly mention am not profesional astrologer, astrology is more a hobby.

Also its heart breaking to read what you been trough in life..hope your life is going to be safer and brighter for you.


To the astrology of this.
Uhmm..your pluto in 10th/ congjuncting your Midheaven.
probably created great rise and falls with career and public environment.
so prehaps a reason for your " Soul Destroying Jobs"

With marriage its bit difficult as you can controlled your own actions in life, but we cant control other peoples decions and actions.

You have DC, 7th in Taurus. meaning Venus is the ruling planet of your 7th.
With that i was stund..as venus normally rules 7th.
But venus is in the sign of Aries
Venus in Aries isnt the greatest place for Independt sign as Aries.
Normally we want realstionships with compromsing and discussions.
Aries in venus being the ruler of the first realstionship might by why..there been actions/ prehaps fighting.
venus trining moon might be a case of needingness aswell, after difficult fight so should be lead by break up instead is covered up with a "Please dont leave me, i need you" when you in reality you dont need this person (Also taurus is a obsessive sign so might been a possesiveness in the realstionship..almost feeling Owned so sort of a Item).

i would never image a partner being a criminal..only if i look at the ruling planet of the 5th house so venus is in.
as venus is again aries 5th..5th Aries is ruled by Mars.
Mars is in pisces 3th.
now that in it self isnt something so say "Criminal" to me.. until you see the Mars Pluto opposition.
after noticing that aspect in this..it wouldnt suprise me of this cirminal became publicly known in canada?

you being a Scorpio Rising and pluto, mars ruling scorpio.
you see where Mars and pluto they are and doing will definitely Effect you hard.
As our Rising/ Ascendant is our general life and personality.
so you prehaps had to transfrom alot of times, trough these relastionships and jobs.

not only that somewhere i learn different way at look at degree..
where the Sun is in pisces 26 degree..so would degree of taurus. So again Brings us Back to your 7th/Dc the area of life of partnerships, others.
So alot of your life time is to transfrom and go through these chaotic messed up relastionships.
i wouldnt discourage you from ever falling love or being relastionships..as i dont believe that would the reason and the lessons for you to expirence.
North Node in Leo 9th, congjunting moon is here asking you grow into a stronger person deeper love into yourself.
Letting you have fun with creativity, expression, prehaps move, explore different culture, country, spirituality or phillosophy being inspire to create and express, face these inner emotions.
creating from these inner emotions let them be free, might attract fresh love, romance.
Not easy when neptune in the 12th squaring moon..might create some unconscious fear and doubts.
Let yourself know your own worth to live..it is never too late until it in the grave.



oki short..of trying to look in your chart for the experience you had.
sorry for the mess
Thank you for your time, have a Nice day <3
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Re: Looking back - can a cycle of ups & downs in a life be seen?

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YOD FORMATION:
In my natal chart, I have Mercury quincunx Uranus paired with Mars quincunx uranus ... these are (terminology?) sextile? in the 3rd house and in sign of Pisces (where my sun is). Uranus, is in the 9th house in Leo. I'm supposed to look at 3rd house. Home/siblings/communications.

What concerns me here is that I have PROBLEMS communicating. I may resemble or even be a bit autistic. Is this the expression of my Yod?
Further to Osamenor's explanation, I have about 60 charts on file that have been officially diagnosed as autism OR on the autism spectrum/asperger's syndrome scales.

What is most noticeable in the cases is the harsh aspects with Moon-Mercury-Saturn-Uranus; i.e. the relationship between feeling-thought-reality-irrationality.
Moon-Saturn and Mercury-Uranus across the 3rd house, associated with influence upon thought processes and communication, are in the chart shown, yet NOT linked to each other.
Other aspects on the autism spectrum can see an influence from Mars and/or Jupiter, whilst the Neptune and Pluto add their own '(un)conscious raising' significance.

Although Saturn is part of the YOD figure with Venus-Pluto, the configuration itself would not seem to follow those general aspects found on the autism spectrum.

With the planets on the YOD rulers of 12th (unphysical world), Ascendant (constitution, personality), 3rd (communication), and 6th houses (physical health), PLUS the influence of Mercury-Mars opp. Pluto, could there be an obsessive, compulsive nature that takes hold? One feels compelled to act in a particular manner, whereby Mercury in, and an overall Pisces strongly felt fantasy is taken way out of bounds by the thinking of an irrational Uranus. In FIXED Leo, it may not see other possibilities in opinions and reasoning (9th house). It's how I and my fantasy experience it (Sun in Pisces), and no other.

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I am not finding my life's meaning in this interpretation, rather just characteristics. Would appreciate help with interpretation as I understand a yod is a meaningful configuration in a natal chart.
There are other configurations in the chart that play themselves out just as strongly in your life as the YOD.

On another astrology board elsewhere, there is a thread regarding what apects would be suggestive of 'an abandonment phobia.' There are aspects in the chart shown that could be suggestive of such issues. Do you think this could play a role in your life? If a person is so scared of being abandoned, they might inadvertently becomes one's own worst enemy (12th and 1st house in same sign) and self sabotage situations to make sure that that which one fears most doesn't happen.

When looking for 'life's meaning', as do most who look into conscious raising subjects, astrology would look towards the North Node. Can it be coincidence that it is in the 9th house (meaning of life) in Leo, the sign of the Individual Spirit?
Could it be that life's meaning for you is to become independent of others' influence upon your life, and make and live for your own?

Secondary progressed Sun has crossed 7th house cusp. If working well, Taurus's greatest gift is that of security through self assurance.

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Re: Looking back - can a cycle of ups & downs in a life be seen?

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Further to Osamenor's explanation, I have about 60 charts on file

that have been officially diagnosed as autism

OR on the autism spectrum/asperger's syndrome scales.

interesting - however AJ Astrologys valid comment is:

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...............the sample isn't statistically valid.
In college our statistics class
was required to work with the university policy center
who conducted phone and written polls on a wide variety of topics.


A representative statistical sample for the US is roughly 2,386 people.
and so clearly
60 charts is insufficient to draw any reliable conclusion
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Re: Looking back - can a cycle of ups & downs in a life be seen?

JUPITERASC,
I have no idea who or what AJ Astrology is and I found nothing through a Google or A.W search, which makes it impossible to comment on whatever research was commented on.

Edit: Have seen name on member's list. Will look up post.

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and so clearly
60 charts is insufficient to draw any reliable conclusion
The O.P made a personal comment about a possible condition.
If you re-read my post I don't think you will see me 'drawing any kind of reliable conclusion', rather than stating what showed up regularly in example charts (the number would have been higher had I included 'probable' but non-diagnosed condition charts).

If 60 charts is not a reliable basis to be considered, what on Earth are astrologers …. and this forum …..doing when basing interpretations upon aspects in a single chart?
Is it not possible to find associations through research that doesn't come from an ancient lore and/or already written book?

I guess if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it could still be a goose.

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Re: Looking back - can a cycle of ups & downs in a life be seen?

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JUPITERASC,
I have no idea who or what AJ Astrology is

and I found nothing through a Google
or A.W search,

which makes it impossible to comment on whatever research was commented on.
interesting because a link to the thread under discussion
is as follows:


https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...72#post1005972
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Originally Posted by Frisiangal View Post

The O.P made a personal comment about a possible condition.
If you re-read my post I don't think you will see me 'drawing any kind of reliable conclusion', rather than stating what showed up regularly in example charts (the number would have been higher had I included 'probable' but non-diagnosed charts).

If 60 charts is not a reliable basis to be considered, what on Earth are astrologers ….
and this forum …..
doing when basing interpretations upon aspects in a single chart?
Exactly
so far as our forum is concerned
we are an astrological LEARNING forum
so all of us members of this forum are
LEARNING by PRACTICE
the vast majority of us being beginners
with little or no experience

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Is it not possible to find associations through research
that doesn't come from an ancient lore and/or already written book?
research, to be statistically significant
requires statistically significant data samples and/or sampling

earlier I quoted A J Astrology on that issue
i.e. specifically
in response to the following comment
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Originally Posted by Frisiangal View Post

Further to Osamenor's explanation, I have about 60 charts on file
that have been officially diagnosed as autism
OR on the autism spectrum/asperger's syndrome scales.
interesting - however AJ Astrologys valid comment is:
Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ Astrology View Post

...............the sample isn't statistically valid.
In college our statistics class
was required to work with the university policy center
who conducted phone and written polls on a wide variety of topics.

A representative statistical sample for the US is roughly 2,386 people.
and so clearly
60 charts is insufficient to draw any reliable conclusion
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I guess if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck,
it could still be a goose.
or alternatively
a decoy as used by those who go hunting, shooting and fishing
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Re: Looking back - can a cycle of ups & downs in a life be seen?

@ Frisangel:

I have some obsessive compulsive habits ... yes indeed. I do have a fear of being judged, or observed, but not of abandonment. In fact, almost the opposite. I tend to "abandon" friends. Its a terrible thing.

Self-sabotage could be a thing. I am a vessel full of competing intentions and impulses.

I am someone who does not seek the spotlight, except periodically when I inexplicably seek the spotlight, as uncomfortable as that can be I frequently take acting classes. I do well as I can channel my feelings.
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Re: Looking back - can a cycle of ups & downs in a life be seen?

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I'm looking back from my great age of 58 years old, and thinking about my life, the choices I made and the periods where things were desperately going wrong.

Can these periods be seen in a chart?

At 18/19 I was married to someone who ultimately became a notorious criminal in Canada, recently deported. I moved to England to get away from him. That was around 1980 ish. Maybe earlier.

In 1999 I had another terrible relationship, a life disrupting time. It almost destroyed me, and was hot on the heels of a 16 year marriage break up in 1997/8.

In 2009/10 so much happened - my dad passed away and I lost an important job. I found a series of random and generally soul destroying jobs ... a pattern until June 2019 --> when I may have found the best job I'll ever have, and now life seems stable.

I'm so used to terribly bad luck, probably due to poor choices I now recognize, but I'm worried an anvil is going to fall from the sky.

I would be grateful if anyone can see patterns in my chart and possibly tell me where to stand when that anvil falls, if you hear me. I'm waiting for it.

Thanks for any insights.

I'll attach my natal chart from astrodienst.

Hello,

After 27 long years your mental desire will be to come out of being proactive.

This change will happen from age 60 when you will look for opportunities to share your wisdom and experience gained over the years!

Yes, it was always a period of much responsibility with the desire for perfection......... more than a bit tough for you not having the grace of easy luck.......

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