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I don't feel a human being should be stretched so thin to have all these input on...almost everything...
If we think that your soul chose this incarnation for these challenges... Does that alter your perception?

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I don't know too much about astrology beside the basics, I feel lost with the advanced astrological language...yods, it vibrates somewhere, I remember something about becoming physically sick with physiological ties, that I identify, and something about been bailed out by mystical force when in deep trouble, I don't know...but I do feel I am watched over, taken care of by some unseen force, do you feel the same way with so many yods in your chart too? and I definitely identify with the part about knowing words can be taken the wrong way earlier on with pandora's box...

sometimes I feel I need to control these energies, but it's very hard, most of my evolution didn't come from order and control as in Mercury( may be this has to do with its not as connected), but intuitive perceptual energy and emotions (the universal stars and the moon), mars drain me, like it had to spend these energy like an irresponsible credit card holder, lol. I feel the planets that are not as connected to the big pattern, like venues, and sun, and mercury actually keeps me "sane", balance, love, control...lots of fire in me, burns so bright and intense when that control slips, then I turn to ashes afterwards, lol. oh, and earth melts in the universe, oops, flew away. air is good, that keep me sane too, water is connected to the emotional parts, yeah, I had to keep myself from not to cry in a seminar today at the mention of the classroom might be the only "happy place" in some student's life...

words do not come easy for me, words always come after the understanding, sometimes it never comes, sometimes it flows, sometimes a few lines can drain so much of me, there are so many meanings attached to everything.

weekend is coming, this is good, ocean and peace.
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Have you had a light body awakening? I think you should have by now and I don't know how you work with these energies (but I have an idea), I think the main point is to be discriminative on what energies you take in, what you let out and keeping your frequency high at all times. Finding a way of output, especially creatively is crucial for some people, you'll see in time you'll have a better perspective on what to take in. Also, taking control of your experiences, I don't mean putting them into schemes before you experience them, but being prepared, and tranquil and openly aware of what's going on, will sure help. Breathing techniques is one thing to go by, and having safe places, that are yours to go in whereever you may be at the moment, in your mind, when input gets too much also help. I'm sure you could benefit from grounding and centering techniques. As I see you take your distance, and rightly so, from the recommendations here; and are already selective in your ways being your choice and intake; I'm freely recommending whatever comes to my mind, I know them all to be helpful.

You'd also benefit from using crystals, a lot. Black obsidian will soften the energy coming at you, and you'll taek your distance better and feel safer, and black tourmaline will keep you away from negativity. Also amethyst for sobriety, at times, and smoky quartz for grounding. These crystals I'm sure would help.

When you have a light body awakening, you are actually breathing into the enrgy that you are and aware of most of the energies going about. I think you must be sure to find ways to feel safer and these crystals will help. I think you might also benefit from having something in mind that is attuning and exclusively yours, like a check point when you want to get away from oter things, be it a sound, a song, an image.

I actually also wonder how your Vesta and Pallas are placed. Could you add them and re-post your chart? Also the Galactic Center, Spirit, Angel and Anubis too. You can find these asteroids in a link under the box of additional objects in astro.com.

Also I have just read you you have problems with energy cords. Please read up on cutting energy cords, work on your third eye chakra, and work with a professional if needed. There are many distant healign videos on youtube and very teaching ones, I'm sure you'd benefit. but as I have given their links too much already, if needed I can send you the links by private message.

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If we think that your soul chose this incarnation for these challenges... Does that alter your perception?
It's tough when energies are low... and the hyper drives won't slow down, because normally it takes more energy to calm it, yet when the need to clam are pretty bad, it's when energies are low... May be that's why I'm here, to learn to control it.
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Much of the concepts you mentioned above are foreign to me, I had to google a bit on what is light body awakening. So it's about the flow of energy...yes, it resonate with me.

In my own world, energy of the Cosmo flow in me in two way, usually I took a long walk in the morning everyday, during which time I shut down the outside world and process everything went through me prior(my experiences), its meaning and such. Like digesting in a way... Usually at some point of my walk I feel the energy of earth flow trough me towards the sky, like I'm a living tree basking in sunlight, like I can simply open my arms wide and tilt my face and just smile and feel fresh air, sun light, peace. A this time life as we know it are very very far from my psyche. Even what I just processed felt like tucked away somewhere.

Then there are times when I really need a "lift" from something more drastic on the personal level, I dance to heart pounding music and basically let rhythm and dance take over me, it lifts my spirt very high, strangely elevates me like flying, like soaring in the sky. I call it self lifting via shear craziness. Lol.

These two ways are usually how I lift/manage "physical" energy. energy of being.

Then there is the energy of choices, more like mental energy, like when certain emotion come over me via a negative origin, I "open" a mental lock, like... Releasing love. Open my heart. Then compassion fills me, at these times I am usually very careful with decision making, because in that state I "give" to which these giving can be very well mis-conceived... It is as difficult an act of unconditional receiving as it's unconditional giving...not many people know what is unconditional receiving...

I usually chose silence. So silence to me is very dynamic, but to the outside world... It's just silence.

Then there are times when my energy is way too low to function, like now, I had a foot injure that prevented me from my morning walks for weeks now, as well as dancing, I can feel that built up of " toxicant" in my psyche. So many things was unprocessed, I shut down in a way from taking anything in. But that none-flowing energy processing is very unhealthy, I feel the full force of unable to keep the door close to the out side, and unable to keep the door close to contain information from inside... Hard to describe. Yet the pressure of energy makes me hyper aware of everything, like a pressure cooker... It almost feel like this expending of inner pressure has changed something structural and I have been feeling different vibes than the balance of before. I had felt this way before, but it usually happened with an emotional experience. Now it happens on the shifting of energy balance via...a foot injure?!, it scares me somewhat...

I really don't know the depth of astrological charts, I have disclosed my birth info in an earlier post, can you get what you need from that info? I'll be taking that information out next week, as Stillone cautioned me, for privacy concerns.

Thank you, actually thank you all here, it is different for me to feel... Unconditionally cared for...and not feel like a monster...because I hurt people by not able to be what they need me to be.
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First thing first, you got to get rid of guilt if your last sentence denotes guilt, you don't have to be anything for anybody, other than how you want to be.

A light body awakening is the expansion of light in the inner cell sturture (on biological terms) but also spritually connected for it can only work with the expansion of knowledge on one's side. You probably have a large specturm of emotioanl knwoedlge and you're processing it, putting thing in where theyneed to be, also for your won health. Know that you're clearing your body, and universal energy, by analysing and also in some way arranging it. Also a light body is very sensitive and may be crystallized, I know thign s must be crystal clear one moment and you have to rest a lot another moment.

The structure that you described is actually one of the right and healthy forms of human body as an enrgy transmitter and transformer. The knowledge that comes from the earth and air moves in two ways, you are taking knowledge from air, putting it in the air, clearing and addin, and sendiing it back to air, to be felt by somebody in the same frequencies as your are and also effetic other frequencies. But also know that you are clearing that energy, maybe putting it into a higher into a frequency. At these times enegies are heightening and through your sensitivity you're helping that, and also arrangement of the some new frequecies. You're transmittign new knowledge. I think also have had a kundalini awakening do you feel sensations and vibration at the base of your spine?

Keep working with the sun, because you are actually takign energy from suna nd sending it back, mostly, if you have worked with your third eye chakra have a sense of the sun in your third eye, so you can still feeel and work with it, when inside.

About your foot injury, maybe you're putting too much meaning on it, for when your light body and kundalini awakens you get hypersensitive of everysignle thing going on also with your body. There may be come meridians which are not working properly, so you may want to clear your energy body at those areas for a smoother flow. These are too healing channels on youtube, which are very helpful:

http://www.youtube.com/user/RestRela...?feature=watch
http://www.youtube.com/user/ataanalo...e=results_main

Know that you don't need to feel it as pressure, I know it creates pressure, but try to expand and work with sun and also with archetypes for better classifying and arragement of energy. You are probably getting a lot of information at these times, and earth needs such energy transmitting.

Also know that you are taken care of by the universe, feel supported and more trusting. I'm sure you'd benefit al lot from working with crytals. Have rose quartz, black tourmaline, blue kyanite, aquamarine, black obsidian, tiger's eye and rodochrosite with you. Crystal quartz would I'm sure make you feel very good, you'll feel a close relation to it. Also do a research on techniques called: grounding, centering and shielding. The'll be very helpful.

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Much of the concepts you mentioned above are foreign to me
Take your time. There is much to learn but don't burn yourself out! I think you'll want to start learning some of the material here but do so slowly. I found out soo much about myself thru studying astrology. It's very eye-opening. If given a chance, I think you'll find acceptance, understanding, self-appreciation.

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First thing first, you got to get rid of guilt if your last sentence denotes guilt, you don't have to be anything for anybody, other than how you want to be.
I think what grkemmer says is very correct. I used to be similar, sacrificing myself for others only to end up exhausted and hurt. Now I do things for myself. What I need to do. As a result people actually appreciate me more since they have increased respect for me as I'm being authentic to my Self.
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I had a foot injure that prevented me from my morning walks for weeks now
This is so interesting. I've had a shoulder injury now for several weeks that has restricted my yoga practice considerably. This has also coincided with our Transiting Saturn in opposition to Natal Mars aspect. Which definitely made our whole pattern activate. Our efforts are being blocked!
http://www.thefutureminders.com/Satu...ition-mars.cfm

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It's tough when energies are low... and the hyper drives won't slow down, because normally it takes more energy to calm it, yet when the need to clam are pretty bad, it's when energies are low... May be that's why I'm here, to learn to control it.
Well I certainly, without a doubt, believe you found this forum for a reason. Much like I did. I had no interest in astrology whatsoever in the past. However, through this forum and really focusing on my soul purpose, I feel I have elevated exponentially and that this is only the beginning. For people with yods, they say that the second half of life is often drastically different than the first half.
http://www.astrotheme.com/files/figu...ed-aspects.php
has an interesting definition of the Yod. Notice the part about injecting energy. You really have to explore/meditate on the meanings of the apex planets... You'll soon gain flashes of insight into their meanings and how they function in your life.

Your energy being low may mean that you are working against yourself... maybe not flowing with the natural energies.

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Regarding the guilt, yes, it's always there, if I were to describe what it feels like, it feels like I have gained so much of my personal freedom (finding self-honesty, letting go illusions, seeking truth) through relating with others, yet the people who were involved with me can't find that freedom yet, it can't be given, and I do, in the deepest core, care about people, especially those crossed my path in a profound way. and through the universal understanding of personal freedom, I know the way for them to get over any shadow (an experience that enslave them physiologically or emotionally) is to actually get over it, sometimes, the shadow is me. so I can't do anything to "delay" that process...and feeling the energy of suffering of others in my self-imposed distant/silence is...difficult. I often call this "the prudence of being a monster", but, it is just hard to be a monster...

Enlightenment and lasting peace is a long process.

It's interesting how gemstones/crystals have healing properties, earlier this year I had an little obsession with collecting gemstone silver jeweleries, in my mind I had the image of "collecting rainbows", the focal point being natural Opal, it's my birth stone, but aside from it being my birthstone, the "rainbow" essence of the opal really drew me like carrot drew the rabbit, lol. This little obsession stopped once I had "sets" of crystals(a lot of them have been mentioned above). This is very interesting how collecting from the "raw" energy of the universe, one can arrive at its flow without knowing why.

I will be learning these calming and shielding techniques, I feel Mars( as the black sheep in my energy make up, it makes things happen for me(otherwise I'd be content as the air in the sky,lol), but it also...how do I describe it, it feels like Mars won't go in the addictions of life as it knows the healthy energy from the understanding of the universe, but it spends its intense energy in going deep in to the subconscious... like I can fall into a trance where I completely block out the physical (time, hunger, thirst, sleep), and if I don't stay away from activities of such nature (like writing a book of depth/length), I "know" I would whither, deteriorate, melt-down physically. Mars has found a home in my subconscious mind and won't let go the engine, resulting in I can feel my brain running( I normally have no problem falling asleep, but once that subconscious was rested just enough to function, it wakes up, so I can't sleep more than 6-7 hours a night, yet I know I need much more than that as the envelope need longer rest when containing a house inside), I start to have very little dreams now, I notice the difference between experience the "rich" dream world at a younger age, and to now the deadened physical rest as if the subconscious is wakening to the conscious, much more is happening in the awareness... the power of clarity and consciousness is hard to describe, it's like I can figure out an minor physical condition(disease) happened to me by connecting dots, even no one has an medical answer to that condition as I know of through my search, and know my answer isn't far from the truth, yet I also know such knowledge is taboo for it's lack of tangible foundation(training). Therefore I will never utter it in the open (self-protection).

Pandora's Box.

To me, harvesting universal energy is like... harvesting... common sense. yes, common sense of astrology, like macro astrology (I'm making up these terms as they make sense to me) like instead of going in the details of pieces, it makes more sense to me as I elevate and take into the grander picture.... I don't know how to describe it, words hasn't come to me yet. but I will try to describe a bit about the Pandora's box pattern, I did a bit more reading from the links, and I already feel a certain vibe of understanding, I will describe it later as words come to me. Yes, Stillone, we can ask the mod to include Pandora's Box in the title, so more people trying to look for answers can find it. I don't know how do you do that, usually the author can edit the post, but it seems I can't edit the title.

All these readings are very helpful, mars is very happy. lol.

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Pandora's box

I've been feeling a much better energy state now, so language flows in me. I would like to describe what I felt from the energy of two Pandora's box in my energy make up,and what I read from other people who were born with similar pattern. Astrology is also about curiosity of the unknown, so I'd contribute here as a case study for the curious astrologers around! lol.

Hmm... before we begin to describe a ray of light, lets trace it and arrive at its source. The source of the beginning, is the Cosmo. The laws of Cosmo already IS when it's born into existence, meaning everything we discover today, in the past, in the future, already IS. like astrology, physics, the existence of us, every thing that will be, already IS. we do not CREATE truth, truth is amongst us, we do not CREATE reality, we discover and understand it. So the source of EVERYTHING, is a vast unknown to us humans, particles do not understand the object, because it's part of it, blood cells do not understand human, because it's part of its function. we do not understand the Cosmo, because we can never raise high enough to look at its whole picture, the alien in man in black 3 do not know the future because he is limited to his vision... The order of Cosmo, to human beings, is CHAOs, so we know, there is something infinitely greater than us, that even when we discover the ultimate truth, we do not create it... to surrender to this understanding, is true humbleness...

The history of mankind, our civilization, is an attempt to create order in chaos, to create understanding in unknown. establish control to survive...It is normal, needed, and useful... like building a shelter in a storm... everyone, since we were babies, were taught the world of man, our little shelter that made sense and created security, it's normal, and needed... yet when we have "receptors" in us, that can receive cosmic energy, some stronger than others, we question the words and world and wisdom of man. Pandora's box, to me feels like one of the receptive energies, that since a very young age, I question (and others I have read about) what was taught to me, and voiced that question to grow ups, others, it's hard for me to conform to what "expect" of me, how I try to express, how my intent was mistaken and punished. I've encountered others with similar childhood, who react to it different from me and people I read who also has pandora's box in their energy make up. The difference was those who has pandora's box tend to "hide" themselves, rather than confront the world. This is different from wearing masks...how do I describe it, it's like I accept the world of man, not seeing it as a giant lie and falsehood of being, therefore integrity means to destroy it... no, I see it as a bad builder built a shady hut to shelter people from storms, but it could be built better, with stronger material and better design... yet I know I am not a builder, yet, so I find peace with the reality of man... so I function on the outside, which is the peace with what we "have", and I live inside, which is receiving what we "could be". It was never a true "conflict", but as I grow older, the inside become stronger, louder, and bigger, eventually it need to be lived, on the outside too.

So to me, the energy of pandora's box has two stages, one is the closed stage, where life is on the surface... and the second stage... is where all the chaos are let out the lid. That's when we start to live in unity of who we are, from the inside out. when we seeing things from the glimpse of the Cosmo, rather than society. (and a lot of that energy is about communications, transfer of knowledge...)

Because we live in a world build and explained by man, how are we going to live on the outside seeing the energy of Cosmo, and not create chaos in the orderly existence of other human beings? because to be who we are, how we see things, how we act, is to tell those who crossed our path: that's not how things as you know it... to be a better builder, you have to first take down the hut to put up a pavilion...so the world of man gets recreated as civilizations evolves... while Cosmo exists, truth exists, eternally.

I hope it makes certain sense.
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Thanks for coming back and giving such an interesting piece to contemplate.

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So to me, the energy of pandora's box has two stages, one is the closed stage, where life is on the surface... and the second stage... is where all the chaos are let out the lid. That's when we start to live in unity of who we are, from the inside out. when we seeing things from the glimpse of the Cosmo, rather than society. (and a lot of that energy is about communications, transfer of knowledge...)
I was curious about this.

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My awakening happened about six years ago, there was a period right before that I was very thirsty for knowledge, so I read around a lot, one of the reading was so psychologically eye opening, which I was very guilty of at been part of the mob... I eventually contacted the writer of the article and joined his fight for certain social injustice, it lasted a little less than four years, during which time I was learning most about the reality of the mob mentality of the masses, then my value system got crashed, this is where I begin my personal evolution on a deep psychic level... I guess as someone who has a lid full of sensors inside, at one point of time it almost become impossible to not to take "actions" against something we know is so "wrong", and that little step will take you to a path far from the unconscious existence of "before". To look at the time frame, it happened when Saturn entered my raising sign? it intensified tenfold during my Saturn transit Libra years, I literally changed into a different person on so many levels...it literally felt like caught in a never ending emotional storm of different kinds... and like they say, what didn't kill you, makes you stronger.

I don't know what lay ahead, I feel I'm still very much trying to figure out how to let things out, communicate all these energy inside... I feel this is no light task, as pouring things on people's head without their own freewill feels... wrong. I feel a sense of responsibility to my own actions, so most time I end up taking no action, lol. Yes, this just started for us, the rest is unknown, as it should be.
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My awakening happened about six years ago, there was a period right before that I was very thirsty for knowledge, so I read around a lot, one of the reading was so psychologically eye opening, which I was very guilty of at been part of the mob... I eventually contacted the writer of the article and joined his fight for certain social injustice, it lasted a little less than four years, during which time I was learning most about the reality of the mob mentality of the masses, then my value system got crashed, this is where I begin my personal evolution on a deep psychic level... I guess as someone who has a lid full of sensors inside, at one point of time it almost become impossible to not to take "actions" against something we know is so "wrong", and that little step will take you to a path far from the unconscious existence of "before". To look at the time frame, it happened when Saturn entered my raising sign? it intensified tenfold during my Saturn transit Libra years, I literally changed into a different person on so many levels...it literally felt like caught in a never ending emotional storm of different kinds... and like they say, what didn't kill you, makes you stronger.

I don't know what lay ahead, I feel I'm still very much trying to figure out how to let things out, communicate all these energy inside... I feel this is no light task, as pouring things on people's head without their own freewill feels... wrong. I feel a sense of responsibility to my own actions, so most time I end up taking no action, lol. Yes, this just started for us, the rest is unknown, as it should be.
It's remarkable since my main awakening began around the same time. I had the most profound lessons of my life during this time.

I felt like a failure for a long time. I also had considerable anxiety as a result of working for this man. I was simultaneosly also involved in an unhealthy relationship at the time that ended after I decided not to pursue the potential opportunity

It took a long time to recover. I had to rebuild myself. I began reading like crazy.

So it's interesting that for both of us, our value system was subsequently affected (this may have coincided later with Saturn entering our 2nd house). There had to be something more.

Anyhow, I took a look back at the transits at the time and I think I found what may have been the cause:

Transiting Saturn in Opposition to Natal Jupiter. This would have activated our whole chart and "boomeranged" your Jupiter Yod. What's interesting is that the transit started in the beginning of August in 2005 (tSaturn 2deg Leo). Saturn then goes retrograde in Nov of 05. Goes direct again at 4deg Leo Apr. 6 2006. That's within an orb of your Jupiter (2 deg from mine). So almost a similar experience that happened recently when Saturn went retrgrade over our Sun Ur conjunction.

Here's a generic description of tSaturn in Opposition to nJupiter:
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http://www.thefutureminders.com/Satu...on-jupiter.cfm

Sorry, shorthanded at work. I'll come back with more...

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Also, July 9 2005 transiting North Node and transiting Mars conjunct natal Chiron.... in case there was anything interesting at that time.
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Yes, I feel Saturn play a huge part in my growth, I had no idea about the power of Saturn, until one day during my Libra transit, I read something about it out random, it hit me like "wow", it describe my experience so accurately I started to truly feel a deep respect for the power of astrology. there are three major planets: S&U conjunction, and Pluto in Libra for us. I wonder what's going to happen when it transit the other conjunction (V&N) later in Sag. may be even more so for you, since your V&N conjunction is so dominate. It seems there are more to come the way our planets play out in our chart (so introvert).

But death(or reconstruction) always come with pain, it's the only way. I guess I'm toughened by pain by now, although it will always hurt, but at least I know it will end, and after it ends we will become a bigger, stronger and happier person. There is no escaping it, either embrace the pain, or die a slow death of gaping emptiness of an ambivalent existence. Yeah, I see that in people too, when the chasing of material wealth do not bring them the "happiness" they believed it "should", I see how people feel such need to destroy a simpler, cosmic joy from non-material things in others, Kill-joy, I call them. It's like they need to justify their unhappiness by twist the cosmic law of happiness, so that those who don't "play" with the rules of man's game suffers too, only in doing so, they can erase the truthful feeling of "emptiness, misery" which usually lead to a meaningful death of ego and man-made value system, and hold on to "life as they know it", otherwise, the truth is...life is wasted in such a profound way... otherwise they have to feel the pain of "death". they live in the joys of man, and may never know the joy of Cosmo...
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I just asked my HR person when I took on my new role at my firm and it was in March of 2006. I find the timing uncanny considering the transits and how Saturn went direct at the beginning of Apr 2006 after going back into opposition with Jupiter. Fascinating.
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I just asked my HR person when I took on my new role at my firm and it was in March of 2006. I find the timing uncanny considering the transits and how Saturn went direct at the beginning of Apr 2006 after going back into opposition with Jupiter. Fascinating.
I found out it was 4/18/2006 I made contact with him, and the chronicle of events that lead to my discovery of his articles happened in March of 2006... this gives me goose bumps.

Also, do you know when ( the relative dates) Saturn recently went retrograde over our Sun Ur conjunction? I don't know how to find out the Saturn transit positions.
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this gives me goose bumps.
Very much so!!

Certainly makes you wonder what will happen when Saturn hits Venus/Neptune...

Just goes to show how important it is to watch the transits.
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Also, do you know when ( the relative dates) Saturn recently went retrograde over our Sun Ur conjunction? I don't know how to find out the Saturn transit positions.
If you haven't done so already, I highly recommend that you join the astro.com website. It's free to do so. You can store many charts in there. In the "extended chart selection" you can create numerous charts and type in the date that you wish to see the transit for. It's a bit painful to have to go back and forth trying to figure out when transits begin and end but it's the best I've found so far on the net. An ephemeris, of course, works too.

If anyone has any other recommendations for online sources of transits to natals that would be very welcome.

I'll see if I can't figure out the dates of the last Saturn transit to our Sun/Ur conj.

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I'm kind of glad our V&N conjunction is not in Scorpio, with the lord of the underworld, love, lack of boundary, death and all that goodies...and threw in some energy called Pandora in the mix...yup, glad it's in Sag.

I asked the date because Feb of this year something happened and it kind of changed something in me and life as I know it in a way... but if it's difficult then don't worry about it, I will see what astro.com can tell me.
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Ok, here are some dates:

Saturn:
23Lib Nov 6th 2011
27Lib Dec 15 2011
Rx 29Lib Feb 8 2012
Direct 23Lib June 26th 2012

What's interesting then in your chart is that Saturn sat for 2 months conjunct your Sun. I think that's called a Station. Then of course Saturn went retrograde from Feb 8 backing over your Sun and Uranus until it goes direct June 26th at 23Libra. So right on our Uranus (also my Sun). Of course then it went over our planets direct once more making sure that we'd learned the message.
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Ok, here are some dates:

Saturn:
23Lib Nov 6th 2011
27Lib Dec 15 2011
Rx 29Lib Feb 8 2012
Direct 23Lib June 26th 2012

What's interesting then in your chart is that Saturn sat for 2 months conjunct your Sun. I think that's called a Station. Then of course Saturn went retrograde from Feb 8 backing over your Sun and Uranus until it goes direct June 26th at 23Libra. So right on our Uranus (also my Sun). Of course then it went over our planets direct once more making sure that we'd learned the message.
On Feb 15th my step-father passed away... it was months of mourning and come to acceptance of that lose... Nov-Dec of 2011, I've experienced the most intense rage I have ever felt in my whole life...it was a time I could actually, literally, act to destroy others...but I didn't, at that point I know there is nothing in this world can drag me down to the path of darkness... it's intense, very very intense... may be a blissful ignorance of not knowing what to expect is actually mercy of the Cosmo...

Thank you Stillone, I've been crying and reading on Saturn Rx/transit personal planets. It's emotional to remember... thank you for bring light to some of the whys.

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Zenith,

For what it's worth, my best friend was born a few days before you in October of 1973 (and perhaps on the same day as StillOne...!), when the sun was in partile conjunction with Uranus.

So the differences are:

His Ascendant is a couple of degrees shy of your IC, so his houses are roughly square yours.

His moon is in conjunction with Saturn.

Mercury is a few degrees earlier in Scorpio.

So he too must have this "pandora's box" of which you speak...

I believe the Saturn station this year had a very positive effect on him. Late last year I remember him feeling very anxious about his health his future in general. But somehow earlier this year, he had a change of heart, started working out, made some new friends and got a raise at his work.

He has been able to keep up and maintain these changes (still working out, and this new group of friends is pretty solid - so probably a positive Saturn influence there.)

Like you, he has a positive, magnetic personality that attracts others easily - his job involves a lot of customer contact. But there is also a dark side where others easily get on his nerves, which he keeps to himself.

You mentioned 2005-6 being a significant time: I think it was then that he moved and quit a job he had for 10 years, along with some other pretty significant changes in his romantic and social life.

Just throwing my two cents in because I imagine a lot of the transits to natal Venus and slower planets have affected your charts in similar ways.
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Zenith,

For what it's worth, my best friend was born a few days before you in October of 1973 (and perhaps on the same day as StillOne...!), when the sun was in partile conjunction with Uranus.

So the differences are:

His Ascendant is a couple of degrees shy of your IC, so his houses are roughly square yours.

His moon is in conjunction with Saturn.

Mercury is a few degrees earlier in Scorpio.

So he too must have this "pandora's box" of which you speak...
It looks like people born from Oct 2nd to the 25th in 1973, roughly, have this aspect pattern. It's interesting as you think the pattern wouldn't exist that long possibly, but with how the Sun moves at that time, it helps the pattern retain its shape longer which is pretty interesting.

I think depending on ones Ascendant, and so, how the pattern is situated/rotated in the chart, is very important. Also, of course, where the Moon is placed has a huge impact.

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I believe the Saturn station this year had a very positive effect on him. Late last year I remember him feeling very anxious about his health his future in general. But somehow earlier this year, he had a change of heart, started working out, made some new friends and got a raise at his work.

He has been able to keep up and maintain these changes (still working out, and this new group of friends is pretty solid - so probably a positive Saturn influence there.)
Interesting, I've had some health concerns over the past couple of years where there were none before. One pretty major one came out of the blue. Very unusual. I've also been quite dedicated to my yoga practice, especially of late.

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But there is also a dark side where others easily get on his nerves, which he keeps to himself.
I know this one... making sure to also forgive myself.

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Thank you for sharing your friend's story. I feel a certain kinship to people like stillone, like your friend, who share so much similar energy. I'm happy that his Saturn station experience was mostly positive. My lost, in the end had the gift of a much closer relationship with my mom. We had never had so much one-on-one time, and intensive talks together...ever. so Saturn, what he took away, he gave back in other aspects... but thank both you and stillone for all the kindness sensing my pain... that love is precious.

In my short time learning astrology, I've come to a profound question, this is an astrology form, what I say next might be "offensive" to some people here...I hope not...so I ask whomever read this to see it in the light of "if it has the merit of truth in it, then it can be spoken, anywhere" not in the light of "rocking the boat".

So here is the source of the ray of light which is my question.

While Astrology keeps me on the edge of my seat, gives me goose bumps... I find I start to dismember people I know by the "knowledge" astrology gives me, putting them into little compartment of "so he can't get deeper than where his energy is located" or, "so that's the reason why"...in doing so, from my detached third eye that's always examining myself, I see myself give up on efforts, finding comfort zones, rationalize feelings... it feels like building little enclosures to restrict "possibilities" of me, and others. I find I start to "anticipate" future, ask myself not to do certain things at certain time, looking forward to certain "possibilities" that is far from "reality"... I find inside of me, a world of "illusions" that's based on "fear" and "comfort"... this is me, and I understand the sameness in human nature...so...

why do we want to gain "knowledge" that "limits"? why do we learn?

I find ego in my chart, I find ego in other's chart, I find ego wars going on purely...purely based on NOTHING. I find people I know whose chart told me he's pretty much material/physical, was actually one of "openest" person I have ever met in my life, I find people whose chart told me we have the wost possible energy clashes everywhere, actually showed me tolerance I don't truly understand, to this day. Then I realized this is also where the clash of men and Cosmo happens... astrology, no matter how powerful the knowledge we already know, there are infinite unknown exist eternally in its true "reality". and having the deepest humbleness and surrender to our limitation...and giving of self to the "chaos" of my limited understanding, and "order" of Cosmo...so I can learn what I meant to learn by stumbling upon the unknown like a deer step into the head light.

I decide to learn, but need to forget what I learned about the secrets of the stars. haven't figured out how to do that yet...I have told others that we are not meant to be mind readers, because we cannot relate to the endless possibility of who a person could be, until he/she makes a choice that radiates who he/she eventually is. It's only in the humbleness of unknown, of chaos, we are willingly swallowed by the storm, and find out inside ourselves, the unmovable things...who we truly are.

All knowledge, eventually comes to self-knowledge.

I respect astrology, its power is awestruck... but I feel this question need to be asked, so it's asked, with love.
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