Sect vs. chart ruler

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
So in conclusion, how to differentiate if in my chart, where I am Leo rising with night chart, Sun or the Moon has bigger power?
It means that your ascendant ruler is out of sect - your life may be of more benefit to other people than it is to you. That happens sometimes, but it's nothing to get upset about. It doesn't mean you're doomed.
Moon, Venus, and Mars are 'your' planets, Saturn, Jupiter, and Sun are on the team of other people in your life, so to speak
But does it mean that despite of Sun being my chart ruler, most dominant planet is Moon in Cancer 12th house, being close to the ascendant, most aspected and leading the sect?
Or if any, because in the docrine of finding master of native, when Sun and Moon are in cadent houses the Ascendant takes the lead. Therefore it's ruler, when we go back to the Sun. My Sun is ruled by Saturn, so does that make Saturn as most dominant?
It's dependent on the TOTALITY OF THE NATAL CHART
the entire chart requires consideration

Many house systems put my Sun in the 5th house.
Moon opposes your Sun
therefore
birth occurred when Moon was full
and in this case
on the day after a Lunar Eclipse
Eclipses are considered important in ancient traditional astrology :smile:



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Forel

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I would rather stick to tropical though :D And in Astro.com using sidereal, the moon is still in 12th house gemini :).

And what mean those "interesting" aspects that my Sun has just entered Capricorn and it would be in Sagittarius in sidereal, the same with Venus?
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Yes, tropical for me please :)

Dear People,

I am currently hooked on The Astrology Podcast by Chris Brennan and his approach to traditional astrology and promoting the ideas and practices that were lost and now are getting translated now, comming into light.

The one of the things he is pushing, after Robert Hand, who praises Whole Signs, is day and night sect. Due to this theory it was one of the major concept while looking at birth chart and planetary strenght.
Ancient Hellenistic astrologers based their concept of SECT
on THE TWO LIGHTS
aka
Sun and Moon

Sun alone determines Day
Sun is NEVER visible at night
Sun is visible ONLY during Day


Moon IS visible at night
ONLY because Moon REFLECTS light of Sun :smile:
Moon at certain phases MAY BE visible during Day
however
is nothing close to the brightness of sun

Think about the word "...Sect...." and its connotations
as BobZemco said:
A Sect is comparable to a Faction
which is a group of people acting together
within a larger group
such as a clan, a clique, a cabal, a bloc
for example the East Bloc: a faction, a sect, sub-set of Europe
i.e.
a band of people, a crew and so on


Astrology is based on ordered hierarchies
like charts
and then groups of Planets
such as
the Nocturnal Planets
and
the Diurnal Planets

the Masculine Planes
and
the Feminine Planes


the Cold Planets
and
the Hot Planets, and so on.


SECT has two factions:

the Diurnal Planets are the Day Crew
the Day Shift
the Day Cabal
the Day Bloc
the Day Clan and so on

and

the Nocturnal Planets are the Night Crew
Night Shift
Night Cabal
Night Bloc
Night Clan and so on.


Note that each Faction has A LIGHT:

Sun for Day
Moon for Night
and
because of that, they have different conditions to meet.




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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Moon in Cancer 12th house
Some Houses are Fortunate in and of themselves :smile:

some are Unfortunate.

The 12th House is
in and of itself
an Unfortunate House.
It signifies Sorrow
Loss/Separation
Disease
extended long distance Travel
or
living outside your home land

including voluntary or forced exile
Imprisonment
and

Slavery.


Another way of looking at it is
the 12th House

is Your Very Own Personal Hell & House of Horrors.

The 12th House is what traps you
ensnares you
holds you back
imprisons you
makes you a slave
and so on.



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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
My Sun is in 6th house (using Whole Signs),
which also with being cadent house
isn't fortunate I assume.
- any cadent house is unfortunate
because
cadent houses are weak

sixth house is cadent
and therefore an unfortunate house
for a planet to occupy

- with the exception of MARS :smile:

interestingly MARS has its JOY in 6th house
because
Mars likes to injure people
and
destroy things
so MARS REJOICES in 6th House of illness, disease and sorrow

6th house is regarded as a house of weakness and affliction.
As a cadent house it represents alien or unhelpful conditions.


but 12th house is the weakest
the 12th House is Sorrow, Slavery and Imprisonment
- among other things
and
Saturn is all about restricting
restraining
shackling
sorrow
and so
Saturn has its JOY in 12th house
because Saturn loves it there for those reasons


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Forel

Active member
- any cadent house is unfortunate
because
cadent houses are weak

sixth house is cadent
and therefore an unfortunate house
for a planet to occupy

- with the exception of MARS :smile:

interestingly MARS has its JOY in 6th house
because
Mars likes to injure people
and
destroy things
so MARS REJOICES in 6th House of illness, disease and sorrow

6th house is regarded as a house of weakness and affliction.
As a cadent house it represents alien or unhelpful conditions.


but 12th house is the weakest
the 12th House is Sorrow, Slavery and Imprisonment
- among other things
and
Saturn is all about restricting
restraining
shackling
sorrow
and so
Saturn has its JOY in 12th house
because Saturn loves it there for those reasons


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So neither Sun nor Moon haven't got strenght in my chart I suppose then Venus or Saturn might be the strongest. Both placed in angular houses, Venus is debilitated by sign but conjunction with Pluto gives her power and she is in the sect. Saturn is in domicile but out of sect.

I followed through this doctrine of fiding master of native and I came up to Ascendant being the strongest there also.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Venus is debilitated by sign....but conjunction with....
I have not quoted your reference to a modernist outer planet :smile:

because
your thread is on our Traditional board which is specifically
"....for discussions on Traditional Astrology only
and always exclude modernist outer planets
as well as any asteroids....."

the following thread link:
***Please Read Before Posting On This Board***
is a link to more detailed moderator guidance on the matter
at https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120411




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Forel

Active member
I have not quoted your reference to a modernist outer planet :smile:

because
your thread is on our Traditional board which is specifically
"....for discussions on Traditional Astrology only
and always exclude modernist outer planets
as well as any asteroids....."

the following thread link:
***Please Read Before Posting On This Board***
is a link to more detailed moderator guidance on the matter
at https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120411




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Haha and instead of commenting to my thoughts, you pointed out just one little detail :D :D :D
 
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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
I suppose then Venus or Saturn might be the strongest.
Both placed in angular houses
ANGULARITY provides a planet with the ability to act :smile:

planets in ANGULAR houses have the ability to act
their strength is also affected by their sign location


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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Haha and instead of commenting to my thoughts,
you pointed out just one little detail :D :D :D
Certainly Hilarious that you think that is "...one little detail..." :smile:

when in fact it is the difference between our Modernist board
and our Traditional board



also hilarious that you didn't wait for any further comments

for example I also gave a specific response
quoting your comment:
I suppose then Venus or Saturn might be the strongest.
Both placed in angular houses
ANGULARITY provides a planet with the ability to act :smile:

planets in ANGULAR houses have the ability to act
their strength is also affected by their sign location

and in case you didn't notice
I also replied to your comment

Venus is debilitated by sign
and she is in the sect.
An in-sect Scorpio Venus is opposing her own sign of Taurus :smile:

from a sign ruled by malefic Mars

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Forel

Active member
Certainly Hilarious that you think that is "...one little detail..." :smile:

when in fact it is the difference between our Modernist board
and our Traditional board



also hilarious that you didn't wait for any further comments

for example I also gave a specific response
quoting your comment:

and in case you didn't notice
I also replied to your comment



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Something jumps up with delay for me in this thread thats why I havent saw further comments. Weird.
Anyway, thank you so much for time spend on me :)
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Something jumps up with delay for me in this thread

thats why I havent saw further comments. Weird.
Anyway, thank you so much for time spend on me :)
That's ok :smile:

my intention is to be helpful by providing information
beginners may be unaware of
not everyone reads the rules of the board being posted on

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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Saturn is in domicile but out of sect.

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When a planet is placed in an angular house
it is performing more powerfully.
Whatever it represents
will show its force in a swift and dynamic fashion.
and

that may or may not be "a good thing.." when a planet is out of sect :smile:


Sect tells us whether a Planet
- or Light
- has the potential to perform the task or tasks
given to it in the Native's Chart.
The POTENTIAL to act
is not the same as
actually acting/performing.

Whether a Planet is Fortunate/Unfortunate
will tell you if the Planet will actually perform.

Traditional astrology has multiple layers
to assess whether a planet is fortunate or not

Your natal Aquarius Saturn
as well as being fortunate by angular location
is also fortunate by Sign
because
Aquarius is a masculine sign and Saturn is a masculine planet
Saturn Rejoices in Aquarius

Angular planets are powerful
so the people or matters that they signify are strong
and attract a lot of attention.

HOWEVER

your natal angular Saturn is in a feminine QUADRANT
and also
traditionally
there are masculine and feminine degrees - so check those

at http://www.skyscript.co.uk/deginf1.html



Your natal Saturn
definitely has the ability
and
strength
to act

but
is located in 7th house OPPOSING YOUR ASCENDANT
out of sect - so acts AGAINST the Agenda of Moon, Venus and Mars
and
is the Greater Malefic





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