I'm pretty sure you've seen this?
No, but thanks for pointing that out.
Er. Remember we were talking about how the software often gets it wrong and so it's important to know what you are doing apart from it?
Yes, because I got burned by software. Of course, Humans program software, so that explains a lot.
Ok, so the table at skyscript agrees with my software, which by the way agrees with the pits or wells that you have also pointed out in charts. As an example, a recent post in the traditional forum has Moon at 22 Leo 57, which is the 23rd degree of Leo. The skyscript table and the software agree that the 23rd degree of Leo is pitted. (This is not a case where you concurred.)
I reject those charts.
Well, what the heck....
I can kill lots of birds with one stone here. In case anyone is wondering, this is the true Equal House System that Ptolemy describes in his texts.
The Ascendant at 20° Scorpio is in a Dark Degree. The Native was born with jet black hair and a raging case of jaundice, so the Native looked like he'd just stepped off the boat from Mumbai (Bombay) India.
That is what an Ascendant in a Dark Degree means -- some kind of blemish or minor [cosmetic] defect at birth, normally not life-threatening.
Who rules the Ascendant? Pluto? Nope.
Mars is the sole ruler of Scorpio.
By the way...which body parts or organs does Mars rule? Uh, the Liver, for one.....you know, jaundice? Yeah, that.
When you go around the horn and delineate body parts, you do it the exact same way. A Planet in a Dark Degree in partile aspect to the Ascending Degree is going to have some kind of blemish/defect at the location signified by the Planet. While I'm on the subject, for Exalted Planets, think big. Literally. Like Jupiter Exalted in the 3rd House is probably going to be large broad shoulders or really big hands (use the Bound Ruler for refinement).
Does everyone understand how that works?
The sole ruler of Scorpio is Mars --- who is Below Earth in a Diurnal Chart where he should be (+1); Oriental of Sun where he should be (+1); who is in Sign sextile to Sun and thus strengthened (+1); who is domiciled in Aries (+1); who Rejoices in the 6th House (+1); and who is in a Masculine Quarter and Sign, and so in Hayz (+1) and so very competent to do the task
s given to Mars in this Chart.
What exactly has Mars been tasked to do?
Mars in the 6th labors to acquire professional skills....but not just any professional skills, rather very unique professional skills that are of Mars Quality blended with the subtlety of Scorpio.
Because Mars is in the 6th? Nope. Because Mars rules the 6th? Nope. Because Mars rules the Ascendant? Nope.
Because Mars rules both the Ascendant and the 6th House, and Mars is located in the 6th.
When Taurus rises and Venus is in Libra in the 6th, it is very similar to this, so that's why we're looking at this.
Except there's just one problem....28° Aries is a Pitted Degree.
How do we modify our judgment? The unique knowledge Mars seeks takes its toll placing Mars in danger health-wise. Mars will also go to great lengths to acquire knowledge. In fact, Mars has spent a lot of money to acquire some unique skills, placing the Native at a financial disadvantage on occasion.
The Ascendant Ruler in the 6th is generally bad news, except here, the Ascendant Ruler also rules the 6th. When the ruler of the 6th House is in the 6th House, that is good (usually).
But, again, Mars is Pitted. So while Mars is very strong and highly competent to protect the Native, being Pitted results in the Native experiencing many injuries, albeit largely superficial injuries or injuries which are non-life-threatening.
What else about the Ascendant Ruler?
The Ascendant Ruler tells you the Native's function on this Earth. And that is what? Well, where is the Ascendant Ruler? In the 6th House.
The Native's function on this Earth is to serve others.
In fact, the Native has never done anything except acquire special unique skills of a Mars/Scorpio Nature so that the Native can place himself in the service of others.
When the Native wasn't serving his community, he was serving customers at a fast-food restaurant, and when not doing that, serving the student body as president of that student body, and when not doing that, serving his country, and then serving his community again as a police officer and detective, and then even though in private/self-employment, still serving his community by rooting out fraud liable to the tax-payers, and when not doing that, escorting film crews in Serbia, and so on and so on.
Note the prevalence of Mars Qualities in the Native's service, especially those related to the military and law enforcement, and then the subtlety of Scorpio with terrorism/counter-terrorism and undercover operations (and the occult).
But Mars is Pitted....so the Native will dig his own hole/cause his own problems, because he is duty-bound to serve others, bringing harm and misfortune to the Native. For example, the Native observes several vehicles, one of which is known to be a support vehicle for a certain truck-mounted radar unit used by large caliber (not missile) anti-aircraft weapons (generally 20 mm to 76 mm). Native orders personnel from the operations and intelligence section to return immediately to the command post and report, while Native goes to verify what he saw, because the Native had just tasked an air cavalry platoon to conduct aerial reconnaissance of the area, and the presence of anti-aircraft weapons would make the Native look stupid and incompetent. Anyway, somehow the Native ends up in a sudden meeting engagement with a small enemy patrol that quickly devolved into hand-to-hand combat. It's noteworthy that Mars rules the brain, in particular, the
medulla oblongata and other parts of the primitive brain, such as the
amygdala. When a person is subjected to trauma, the
amygdala takes over the sympathetic nervous system, and starts shooting out hormones to shut down the
hippocampus --- which thinks...reasons...interprets sensory input...and that's way too slow for survival. As the trauma intensifies, the
hippocampus is completely shut down so that the
amygdala can have the body operating strictly on primitive reflex, and that is what causes Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
And, yes, some people say Planets in Cadent Houses are weak and do not produce much.
I think not.
This Chart also has Saturn in a Pitted Degree.
Saturn is Oriental, but Below Earth and so not in-Sect (yet in a Masculine Sign and Quadrant so not totally Out-of-Sect). Sun is in an applying trine to Saturn; Saturn is in Aquarius -- which helps temper Saturn's malefic nature --- but Saturn is Retrograde, and joined to the Tail. Saturn rules Siblings and Parents....Native is estranged, but voluntarily so, because Native wishes to neither impose nor be a burden on his family, yet that causes Native to suffer....again, Native dug his own hole there.
23° Leo is
not a Pitted Degree.
That would be impossible.
Native's Lot of Fortune is at 23° Leo in the 10th Sign, ruled by Sun. This will also illustrate why Whole Sign, idiot Equal Sign and Ptrue (Ptolemy) Equal Sign House Systems should not be used.
Alcabitius and Porphyry place Sun [& Mercury] in the 7th House, albeit in the 8th Sign [Gemini], so both Mercury & Sun are active in 7th and 8th House matters.
Three times the Native has appeared on national television in the US, once in Germany, once in Serbia, and once in Slovakia --- although that shouldn't really count, since Native attended an historic meeting between the presidents of the Czech and Slovak Republics (the first since Czechoslovakia split into two States), but did not speak on camera (uh, naturally, Native is standing alongside talking with police officers -- they interviewed the police chief).
The Native was interviewed several times on local television in connection with investigations that uncovered various frauds related to State-funded insurance programs, as well as private insurance programs. Additionally, the Native was interviewed on local television for his role in uncovering illegal election campaign activities, including the scheme that attorneys used to fund elections for county judge positions.
On top of that, Native is an highly decorated veteran and has also received civilian awards and recognition....and that's related to Sun in the 7th (and 8th) and ruling the Lot of Fortune in Leo in the 10th Sign.
Note the MC is in the 11th Sign Virgo --- signifying the military (sorry folks--- the 11th House is the Military, not the 6th House), those things that support government, support officials in varying capacity in both public and private service, and those things involving communities and groups.
While I'm at it, Sagittarius rules the 2nd House, and its ruler is in the 5th Sign House -- showing the Native derives his wealth through his own means....self-employment.
And what does Native do for self-employment?
Jupiter.
Jupiter is Wisdom....yes, consulting.
Native has an highly specialized consulting practice with very select clientele.
Note that Moon --- ruling the Cancer 9th House is applying to Jupiter in Pisces, reinforcing the consulting/wisdom. Also note the applying trine Venus in Cancer makes to Jupiter.
This is an excellent example of what we mean by Benefic and Malefic.
Mars is Malefic, yet very well placed in the Chart (albeit Pitted).
The Native is successful, but through hard effort, with trials, tribulations, many difficulties, lots of suffering....it's never easy.....
that,...folks... is the essence of Maleficence
See the contrast with Moon, Venus and Jupiter?
Those things involving the 2nd, 5th, 7th, 9th and 12th Houses come easy to the Native, without lots of strings attached, and without suffering or hard work, without any dry white toast or anything else negative.
That....is the essence of Beneficence.
The Malefics (Saturn & Mars) in their best condition will do good, but with plenty of hardships and difficulties. The Benefics in their best condition will do good without all the grief.
Is the Native wealthy or rich? No. Why not?
Gemini Sun square Jupiter ruling the 2nd, that's [one reason] why.
In the "will we win our lawsuit thread," we have Mars at 24 Taurus 35, and both the 24th and 25th degrees of Taurus are welled. Well that doesn't help. However, we also have Mercury (Stan and Bran?) in welled degree at 16 Gemini 46...the 17th degree of Gemini. Which is welled in the table but the 16th and 18th are not.
Doesn't matter.
Mercury is besieged by Benefics, not to mention Mercury is traveling from a Benefic to a Benefic.
If Mercury is not Pitted, then Mercury is very fortunate here....if Mercury is Pitted, then Besiegement negates the effects.
The same holds true for Planets in the Fortune Degrees. If the Planet is besieged by Malefics, that will negate the effect.
Am I seriously missing something here? (And no, it wouldn't be the first time if I were) This is like, you are born and up until your first birthday you are in your first year, and then your second year. Or, this is the first degree of a sign (0-1) and after that you are in the second degree?
No, it just the difference between cardinal numbers and ordinal numbers.
0 in math isn't a number, as far as I remember (and yes, I suck at math) but rather a place holder.
Well, that's kind of controversial.
Just when you thought it was safe to go out into the streets since the Grecophiles are dying and retiring from universities, we get thrown for a loop.
Now we have the idiot Babyloniphiles replacing the Grecophiles.
"Really dumb" just got replaced with "dumb." I'm hoping before I die we can at least replace "dumb" with "stupid." On the bright side, at least we're moving the right direction.
There was quite a bit of concern about a year ago here (sorry, I tried but I can't find the thread without spending a couple of hours looking) about 15* Leo. I wonder two things...if this somehow morphed to 15*, and why 22* Leo specifically? Again, I'm short on research time, but I wonder if there were exact degrees of detriment, the same as there were exact degrees of exaltation/fall.
One of the Pole Stars is at 15° Leo: Dubhe. It's a Fortunate Star. I don't know anything else about it, and I don't use it.
I'm not exactly impressed with it (hence the use of quotes).
Patton's Sun was at 19°. And then George C. Scott who played Patton in film and won an Oscar had Mercury at 19° Scorpio.
And then Monty -- a British general -- had Jupiter at 19° Scorpio....as did Charlton Heston, but Heston never played Monty in a film (although he did play an astronaut).
Kevin Costner and RFK both have Saturn at 19° Scorpio, and Costner never played the part of RFK in film (but he did play the role of postman and a guy that dances with wolves).
I don't pretend to be intimately familiar with charts, but it doesn't appear that they're exactly "cursed."
If I thought it was important, I'd spend time tracking down the origin.
Again, this is probably misremembering and pretty dumb, but didn't the Arabs "invent" zero? Or did they co-opt it from India?
Wouldn't the reason have been in advances in mathematics?
That's what I'm told, but I'm not sure how it would be related to advances in mathematics.
I can attest to the fact that my life has definitely been enriched and made better by the number "0" and by the letter "Q."
Just think...if the Arabs had never invented '0' the US would not be $16.9 Trillion in debt right now with no hope of ever paying it off without causing severe financial hardship for nearly all Americans.