david starling
Well-known member
In keeping with the temporal nature of tropical astrology, the timing of the tropical Ages depends entirely on astronomy, rather than being a matter of opinion. Same with the settings of the tropical zodiac.
Fine for Horary, nonsensical for the Ages.
[IMO]
you are entitled to your IMO
however
this is our Mundane Astrology baord
it is nonsensical to deny that - as BobZemco once remarked:
There's a reason why things are the way they are
and the following applies to natal, horary and mundane
Sun is a Masculine Planet. Leo is a Masculine Sign. Leo is a Summer Sign.
Leo is the 5th House. The 5th House is North.
Leo is the Sun's closest northerly approach to Earth.
Sun is the giver of life and vitality.
Sun rules Leo.
Moon is a Feminine Planet. Cancer is a Feminine Sign.
Cancer is a Summer Sign. Cancer is the 4th House.
The 4th House is North. Cancer is the Moon's most northerly approach to Earth.
Moon nurtures life.
Moon rules Cancer.
Saturn is the farthest Planet away from Sun/Moon.
Saturn is Cold & Dry.
Saturn destroys life.
Saturn undoes what Sun and Moon do.
Saturn rules Capricorn because it is diametrically opposed to Moon,
and rules Aquarius because it is diametrically opposed to Sun.
That's just common sense.
We don't need 7,000 years worth of natal, horary, electional, mundane
event, profection or solar return charts to figure that out
since it constantly proves it.
Saturn is a Diurnal Planet because in a Day Chart, the heat negates
some of Saturn's destructive Cold and he isn't as cranky
and might even be only mildly rude
after his first cup of tea or coffee
instead of being the Demon from Hell.
keep in mind malefic saturn and "ages of Capricorn/Aquarius"
Saturn rules Capricorn AND Aquarius.
perhaps its just your opinionIs the Mundane board restricted to Traditionalistic rulerships?
Or, is that just your [IMO]?
perhaps its just your opinion
keep in mind that Mundane is General Astrology
therefore
any form of astrology including Chinese, Vedic and so on are welcome
Thinking out loud about psychological / awareness blocks to accepting your hypothesis, David.
It’s interesting that most siderealists don’t use the transpersonal planets. Modern tropicalists do, yet it seems to me that mundane collective astrology is not very well-developed or maybe it’s fairer to say that it’s not very well assimilated into individual psychological astrology. It’s almost as if anything collective becomes spiritual by default, just because it’s literally trans-personal.
Vedic / sidereal astrology does seem spiritual in its psychological descriptions if subtle corresponds to spiritual. At the same time, it’s VERY concerned with mundane timing of mundane events.
I absolutely think you could open a lecture that way.
[FONT="]Excuse me, but how do you arrive at such a dire conclusion??[FONT="]Saturn destroys life. Saturn undoes what Sun and Moon do.[/FONT]
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Saturn...rules Aquarius because it is diametrically opposed to Sun.[/FONT][FONT="] That's just common sense.[/FONT]
We don't need 7,000 years worth of natal, horary, electional, mundane events, profection or solar return charts to figure that out since it constantly proves it.
[/FONT][FONT="]I'm sorry, but this is just silly.[/FONT]Saturn is a Diurnal Planet because in a Day Chart, the heat negates some of Saturn's destructive Cold and he isn't as cranky and might even be only mildly rude after his first cup of tea or coffee instead of being the Demon from Hell.
[/FONT][FONT="]I would venture to say that most modern astrologers would not agree. I believe that if you study more recent research about the discoveries of new planets and their synchronous correlations with historical events and the tropical zodiac, you would realize that Saturn no longer seems to correspond to the nature of Aquarius. Since the major revolutions in America and Europe after the discovery of Uranus in 1781, and the explosive developments of the Industrial Revolution, electricity, powered flight, etc., Uranus has come into its own and seems to fit the nature of Aquarius very well.Saturn rules Capricorn AND Aquarius.
Thinking out loud about psychological / awareness blocks to accepting your hypothesis, David.
It’s interesting that most siderealists don’t use the transpersonal planets. Modern tropicalists do, yet it seems to me that mundane collective astrology is not very well-developed or maybe it’s fairer to say that it’s not very well assimilated into individual psychological astrology. It’s almost as if anything collective becomes spiritual by default, just because it’s literally trans-personal.
Vedic / sidereal astrology does seem spiritual in its psychological descriptions if subtle corresponds to spiritual. At the same time, it’s VERY concerned with mundane timing of mundane events.
It really is some sort of mental block. If I were to ask a logical question, like, "Since there's a way to determine the astrological Ages in the sidereal zodiac, then why shouldn't there be a way to determine them in the tropical zodiac?", what's your guess as to the general response?
[FONT="]Excuse me, but how do you arrive at such a dire conclusion?? [/FONT]
[FONT="]Now would you care to quote some major astrologers who claim that "Saturn destroys life"? I would seriously be interested in studying that point of view.[/FONT]
[FONT="]How is it "diametrically opposed to Sun"?[/FONT]
[/FONT]And do you mean Saturn or Aquarius is opposed to the Sun? And how it this "just common sense"?
[FONT="]Right after the discovery of Uranus in 1781, the American Revolution was [/FONT][FONT="][FONT="]synchronistically [/FONT]completed in 1783 and the French Revolution in 1789. Uranus apparently became a significant force, and not only the revolutionary and technical innovations it seems to have brought about, but even its physical nature coincide with the characteristics that have become associated with Aquarius - Uranus is the only planet found to rotate vertically, unlike all the other planets - which is so characteristically Aquarian - startlingly different, "against the grain", non-conformist.[/FONT]
[/FONT]Proves what? Please provide some specific documented evidence from recognized authorities to support your generalized statements above. Astrology has developed and expanded considerably in the past 7,000 years. Do we actually know that astrology in 5000 BC was as sophisticated as you suggest?
[FONT="][FONT="]I would venture to say that most modern astrologers would not agree.[/FONT]
[/FONT][FONT="]I believe that if you study more recent research about the discoveries of new planets and their synchronous correlations with historical events and the tropical zodiac, you would realize that Saturn no longer seems to correspond to the nature of Aquarius. Since the major revolutions in America and Europe after the discovery of Uranus in 1781, and the explosive developments of the Industrial Revolution, electricity, powered flight, etc., Uranus has come into its own and seems to fit the nature of Aquarius very well.
Capricornian inventiveness and determination corrolates to the TROPICAL Age of Capricorn which enabled the discovery of a planet beyond Saturn. It also enabled the Industrial Revolution and Digital (base-ten) technology.Hi Ancar! And David, didn’t see that before.
Take a deep breath, and laugh it off man! He is like this with everyone, on every thread. Have a good day Ancar! And David!
Opal
It's an Age of Fear, due to the Saturnian rulership.Capricornian inventiveness and determination corrolates to the TROPICAL Age of Capricorn which enabled the discovery of a planet beyond Saturn. It also enabled the Industrial Revolution and Digital (base-ten) technology.
When The Christian and Muslim era’s started in sidereal ages, I believe that it wasn’t until later, probably at 10 or .10 degrees, as it probably is as some of the keys of Mysteries, and have markers that would depict when they would occur with another entity, or shadow or?What are the new religions for the Age of Aquarius? Every Age came up with widespread, highly influential religions. All of the influential religions of our Time are rooted in distant Past.
The Christian era started EARLIER than the Muslim era, and Christianity in its original form is purely Piscean, not Piscean and Capricornian like now. Islam is Piscean, yes, but in a more violent way (probably the start was in 25 or 23 deg Pisces, I don't know).When The Christian and Muslim era’s started in sidereal ages, I believe that it wasn’t until later, probably at 10 or .10 degrees, as it probably is as some of the keys of Mysteries, and have markers that would depict when they would occur with another entity, or shadow or?
Point being the writings occur long after the incident.
While I believe we are in the sidereal Aquarian Age, I am in the minority and if I hazard to guess, Aquarius will go back to what The Piscean Age labeled blankly The Occult. A more natural religion. Astrology, the natural arts. Uranus and Aquarius do not want the confines of a monogod. Saturn will lend its structure of the traditional, but it will not be the same.
My humble opinion 🫤🤪
Yeah, they are both Piscine. As stated. Not going to comment about whom is more violent, humans are violent, it is not restricted to one’s chosen faith.The Christian era started EARLIER than the Muslim era, and Christianity in its original form is purely Piscean, not Piscean and Capricornian like now. Islam is Piscean, yes, but in a more violent way (probably the start was in 25 or 23 deg Pisces, I don't know).