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Is she still trying to sabotage me

I've had to cut all ties and communications with my sister due to her crossing several boundaries and actively trying to undermine anything me and my family tries to accomplish.
I don't interact with her but I've been getting a feeling that she is still actively trying to sabotage me. Other family members have been acting different around me so red flags are flying for me.
This is the chart for the question. I noticed right away that both my signifactor and hers are in partile opposition. Im not sure if the answer signifies a no or just a yes with some obstruction.
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Re: Is she still trying to sabotage me

I read the Venus-Jupiter opposition as the two of you still functioning as enemies.

What concerns me a bit is your significator in the 12th house of secrets. Could you be partly responsible for your falling-out but unwilling to say so? Venus falls in Virgo, so she's not in great shape, either.

Any chance the two of you could do some family counseling together?
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I read the Venus-Jupiter opposition as the two of you still functioning as enemies.

What concerns me a bit is your significator in the 12th house of secrets. Could you be partly responsible for your falling-out but unwilling to say so? Venus falls in Virgo, so she's not in great shape, either.

Any chance the two of you could do some family counseling together?
I tried for 2 years to have a family meeting to clear things up. But she was unwilling to.
Feelings towards her became intense once she started to act inappropriately towards my husband. The straw that broke the camel's back was when she began to act funny towards my children.
My significator in the 12th caught my attention too. I haven't done anything towards her. I only vent to my husband about how I feel towards her. I basically avoid her and really have no intentions of dealing with her. I think she is trying to encourage my family especially my mother to cut ties with me.
Does the partile opposition indicate her still trying to sabatoge me but it not working?
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Does the partile opposition indicate her still trying to sabatoge me but it not working?
While not directly answering your question, let me point out that your sister's significator, Venus, is very weak in this matter, in its fall. And you are very strong, Jup in dignity.

I think it may important to recognize that she lacks the power to do much. Your thinking otherwise may point to your own self-undoing, with your significator in the 12th. Don't let that happen. Keep this matter in perspective as to the effectiveness she possesses as a threat. It does not appear to be much, even though she may be engaged in strong opposition to you.
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While not directly answering your question, let me point out that your sister's significator, Venus, is very weak in this matter, in its fall. And you are very strong, Jup in dignity.

I think it may important to recognize that she lacks the power to do much. Your thinking otherwise may point to your own self-undoing, with your significator in the 12th. Don't let that happen. Keep this matter in perspective as to the effectiveness she possesses as a threat. It does not appear to be much, even though she may be engaged in strong opposition to you.
Thank you for your thoughts and opinion. I was deep in thought about this and you are right. I need to be able to see myself clearly in this which seems to be a difficult thing for me to do sometimes. I try my best to hold back from overreacting to people and situations when they do me wrong but explode when I feel pushed to the limit. As I'm typing this and thinking back to a few moments, I realize that I can come off as self righteous in defending myself knowing that I did no wrong to the person.

Ughhh!! My sister has been talking behind my back and undermining me for years. Making moves on my husband and trying to use my kids against me is so out of line. All this and I have to just sit back and let it all happen without a peep. Smh.


*Venting*
I don't know if its my sun opposite my moon, 3rd house ruler Mercury in the 12th, 6th house ruler venus in the 1st or my sun in the 12th that's attracting so much conflict.

Try to stay away from drama but it seems like it comes busting down my door no matter what. It feels like quicksand. The mlre ai fight against others coming for me and my family, the deeper I sink. Its like Im supposed to take it despite them being so wrong.

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Thank you for your thoughts and opinion. I was deep in thought about this and you are right. I need to be able to see myself clearly in this which seems to be a difficult thing for me to do sometimes. I try my best to hold back from overreacting to people and situations when they do me wrong but explode when I feel pushed to the limit. As I'm typing this and thinking back to a few moments, I realize that I can come off as self righteous in defending myself knowing that I did no wrong to the person.

Ughhh!! My sister has been talking behind my back and undermining me for years. Making moves on my husband and trying to use my kids against me is so out of line. All this and I have to just sit back and let it all happen without a peep. Smh.


*Venting*
I don't know if its my sun opposite my moon, 3rd house ruler Mercury in the 12th, 6th house ruler venus in the 1st or my sun in the 12th that's attracting so much conflict.

Try to stay away from drama but it seems like it comes busting down my door no matter what. It feels like quicksand. The mlre ai fight against others coming for me and my family, the deeper I sink. Its like Im supposed to take it despite them being so wrong.

A sun moon opposition may sometimes wire us to perceive much that comes at us as oppositional, whether it really is or not.

But really you have said it all here. Your approach to this matter, the more you struggle the deeper you sink, points to considering a different approach. It is hard to know what goes on in the hearts and minds of others, your husband, children, and even you sister. There are other responses besides struggling. Perhaps you might spend a bit of time considering and exploring what else you might do in response to the chronic matter, including doing nothing...?
And remember that the chart indicates that your sister is quite weak in this matter. And you are not, even if you do nothing perhaps?
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Re: Is she still trying to sabotage me

I've been thinking heavily on this and can't help but feel defeated. I've constantly been attacked by others (mostly women at work and in my family) unprovoked. I've tried for years to not let what they did and said about me get to me hoping that it will change for the better with me being forgiving but to no avail.
At this point I just feel like this is what's suppose to happen.
I've heard that 6th lord in the first brings disputes to you without provocation .
Whatever it may be, I can only control my actions and reactions.

Thank you again for your insight.
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Re: Is she still trying to sabotage me

you've posted a horary question and chart. Do you want to post your natal chart? It would go deeper than just the chart of a moment.

I was thinking of professional counseling with your sister, vs a family meeting.
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I would seriously love family counseling. I would be all for it. Not sure if they would be. They've never taken accountability for anything.


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I disagree about you being strong with Jupiter. It is retrograde and about to lose its dignity - I would take this literally. When you look at your chart - she is the Moon in Fall in Scorpio and via combusta at your 7th house --very open burning enemy. I can only guess that there's been past life karma between the two of you. Conjunct Uranus - she is the great disrupter in your life. She opposes your Sun/Chiron conjunction showing how much her actions have hurt you. Jupiter at the 3rd house cusp suggests some ability to reconcile as it sextiles Sun/Chiron and trines her (the Moon) BUT you have Mars squaring both from your 4th house of family. So I'm wondering if your family is undermining your relationship with her? It certainly seems like a mess to me and if it was me I would cut everyone off - but that's just me.
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Your natal chart does suggest problems with Sis.

Your third house of siblings is untenanted, but it is ruled by the moon. The moon and your sun (your sense of self) oppose one another, and join in a T-square involving irritable Mars in the 4th house of "home." With Chiron conjunct your sun, you may be locked into a lot of hurt feelings about your sister and your family in general.

The moon is close enough to the 7th house cusp that many astrologers would count its action as emphasizing the 7th house. This conventional "house of marriage" is also the house of "open enemies."

If professional counseling is an option for you personally, even if your sister refuses to participate, I think it would be helpful.

Do you have a birth chart for your sister? It would be interesting to look at how she experiences you. If you don't have an accurate birth time for her, just post it as "unknown."

Do you think she is jealous of you?
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I disagree about you being strong with Jupiter. It is retrograde and about to lose its dignity - I would take this literally. When you look at your chart - she is the Moon in Fall in Scorpio and via combusta at your 7th house --very open burning enemy. I can only guess that there's been past life karma between the two of you. Conjunct Uranus - she is the great disrupter in your life. She opposes your Sun/Chiron conjunction showing how much her actions have hurt you. Jupiter at the 3rd house cusp suggests some ability to reconcile as it sextiles Sun/Chiron and trines her (the Moon) BUT you have Mars squaring both from your 4th house of family. So I'm wondering if your family is undermining your relationship with her? It certainly seems like a mess to me and if it was me I would cut everyone off - but that's just me.
It is a mess. I basically just speak to my parents and the conversations with my mother are very short. She has sided with my siblings this whole time. I really don't have a relationship with her but I know that I have one mother so I do my best to just keep it surface level with her.
Is that sad and pathetic? Yes. And honestly I struggle many times to keep from feelings of hate towards her because she has done nothing but encourage the divide amongst us. She is the mother and should want to unify us but its the complete opposite.
I've cut off total communications with my sister and brother and am about to completely cut ties with the other remaining sibling.
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Your natal chart does suggest problems with Sis.

Your third house of siblings is untenanted, but it is ruled by the moon. The moon and your sun (your sense of self) oppose one another, and join in a T-square involving irritable Mars in the 4th house of "home." With Chiron conjunct your sun, you may be locked into a lot of hurt feelings about your sister and your family in general.

The moon is close enough to the 7th house cusp that many astrologers would count its action as emphasizing the 7th house. This conventional "house of marriage" is also the house of "open enemies."

If professional counseling is an option for you personally, even if your sister refuses to participate, I think it would be helpful.

Do you have a birth chart for your sister? It would be interesting to look at how she experiences you. If you don't have an accurate birth time for her, just post it as "unknown."

Do you think she is jealous of you?

I do feel like she is jealous of me. But I don't understand why. She has done so much to undermine any and everything I've tried to achieve and or maintain in my life. I was in denial for such a long time because she is my blood sister who I grew up with. I had to give her the benefit of the doubt. The last straw for me was when I found out she was starting to use my children against me.

Here is her chart (Birth time UKN):
AC BC https://imgur.com/gallery/qx0JGiP

Our synastry together:
Sib synastry https://imgur.com/a/6OEXf9g

"With Chiron conjunct your sun, you may be locked into a lot of hurt feelings about your sister and your family in general." Yes you are correct. I've been locked in a lot of pain with my family. And this situation with my sister has left me distraught because I was in denial for such a long time dispite my gut telling me that she really was acting like an enemy and not a sister.

These are some of the horary charts with questions that I had of her:


Did my sister try to sleep with my husband https://imgur.com/gallery/ohK80cq

Did my sister purposely flirt with my husband https://imgur.com/gallery/FU4Iur0

Is my sister envious of me https://imgur.com/gallery/iXKOyu9

I asked tge flirt question 1st but was trying to explain the answer away as maybe it was harmless (I know. I was gaslighting myself) so I asked outright is she was trying to sleep with him.

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Do you not have a time for your sister's birth? Looks like an Aries chart with no time - no ascendant. You Horary on whether she's tried sleeping with your husband is pretty auspicious. I didn't look at the other ones. Maybe you and your husband could use some therapy together to get on the same page dealing with these family issues?
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Do you not have a time for your sister's birth? Looks like an Aries chart with no time - no ascendant. You Horary on whether she's tried sleeping with your husband is pretty auspicious. I didn't look at the other ones. Maybe you and your husband could use some therapy together to get on the same page dealing with these family issues?
Unfortunately I don't have a birth time for her.

When you say auspicious, do you mean that my husband was aware and willing to engage her, so it could have very well come to pass?
I noticed that his significator is exalted but her's is in it's fall. My knowledge is that a planet is combust when it sits close to the sun which means in this situation, her planet is weak and her intention failed. Both planets were intercepted by mars which I could not figure out its significance as to who or what interfed her plans.
I know that you didnt look at the other flirting chart but just to give a bit of insight (any correction is welcomed due to me being a novice of horary) both signifactors, saturn and venus in capricorn, are in the 6th house (my husband's 12th house) which led me to believe that he was unaware of her intentions while she was fully cognizant.
My husband and I are moving towards that direction of counseling due to the stress my family has had on our marriage. He of course is no longer speaking to my siblings and only engages in minimum, respectful conversation with my parents when necessary.
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Auspicious was probably the wrong word - I was thinking you were successfully evaluating the situation. I don't see anything that would suggest he fell for it and what you've said, she would probably use his fall to help blow up your marriage.
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Crystal,I truly feel that without a correct birth time, it's best not to make one up. It is likely to be wrong and that just makes the chart harder to read.

Your sister's sun is in Leo. She has a lot of pride and would enjoy being the center of attention. Unfortunately your Saturn in Leo sits right on her sun. She would see you as trying to boss her around and being super critical of her-- whether that is your intention, let alone actions, toward her or not.

Your Taurus sun enjoys things that are pleasant, stable, and grounded. Your sister's Mars on your sun would make her seem aggravating and aggressive towards you personally. Her Mars squares her Mercury in Leo, which also squares your sun. Some key words for a Mars-Mercury square would be "aggressive speech." With your sun in the picture, no doubt she speaks very critically about you.

There's a double whammy with her Mercury conjunct your Mars.

Your sister's moon is a T-square with her Pluto-Venus and Saturn. She seems emotionally troubled to me.

Given what you've been through with your family, you would have to be a saint not to take their behavior personally and not to feel upset with them. I suggest you do what you must to protect yourself. Maybe don't entirely cut off all communication, but just keep them at arm's length: polite but remote.

Probably you've thought of what to tell your children about Auntie. I don't think this would be a problem unless there are cousins involved who enjoy getting together.

I don't normally take a fatalistic view of astrology but in your case it might be helpful to realize that you probably couldn't try hard enough to fix this dysfunctional situation. That Chiron conjunct your sun can hopefully gain some wisdom and compassion through all of this heartache.
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Auspicious was probably the wrong word - I was thinking you were successfully evaluating the situation. I don't see anything that would suggest he fell for it and what you've said, she would probably use his fall to help blow up your marriage.
I really appreciate all the insight you've provided for me concerning my charts and my situation as a whole. Therapy is definitely needed for me and my husband. But I truly believe that this situation has set us up for joy and peace in the future. I count my blessings daily because God as placed us in a position to create the loving family we always wanted despite not having it before.
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Crystal,I truly feel that without a correct birth time, it's best not to make one up. It is likely to be wrong and that just makes the chart harder to read.

Your sister's sun is in Leo. She has a lot of pride and would enjoy being the center of attention. Unfortunately your Saturn in Leo sits right on her sun. She would see you as trying to boss her around and being super critical of her-- whether that is your intention, let alone actions, toward her or not.

Your Taurus sun enjoys things that are pleasant, stable, and grounded. Your sister's Mars on your sun would make her seem aggravating and aggressive towards you personally. Her Mars squares her Mercury in Leo, which also squares your sun. Some key words for a Mars-Mercury square would be "aggressive speech." With your sun in the picture, no doubt she speaks very critically about you.

There's a double whammy with her Mercury conjunct your Mars.

Your sister's moon is a T-square with her Pluto-Venus and Saturn. She seems emotionally troubled to me.

Given what you've been through with your family, you would have to be a saint not to take their behavior personally and not to feel upset with them. I suggest you do what you must to protect yourself. Maybe don't entirely cut off all communication, but just keep them at arm's length: polite but remote.

Probably you've thought of what to tell your children about Auntie. I don't think this would be a problem unless there are cousins involved who enjoy getting together.

I don't normally take a fatalistic view of astrology but in your case it might be helpful to realize that you probably couldn't try hard enough to fix this dysfunctional situation. That Chiron conjunct your sun can hopefully gain some wisdom and compassion through all of this heartache.
Its still crazy to me how you are able to breakdown the interaction between two people based off a synastry chart. You hit the nail right on the head.

Im done feeling guilty and angry about the relationship dynamics between me and my them. I dont want to be a bitter resentful person. It really isnt worth it.
Thank you letting me know that I'm not crazy for feeling upset by all of this.
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You are in House 12th
and you say you are unsure of why, yet you are in House 12th, so instead focus on,
what am I not seeing?
also that she behaved inappropiately with your husband and children, but
is this a suspicion or did you catch an act or something, factual and concrete?

being in House 12th also means that you are not and cannot think straight, you are perhaps worried, in distress not able to use good judgment
also it's you it seems who is out to get her, as its the house of enemies, planning and plotting what to do against your sister
because you "deem" her unsafe, which makes sense
if you deem someone unsafe you are likely to take actions [too] against or about that person, in this case your sister.

perhaps since you "assume" she's the reason your family members are acting strange to you,
HOuse 12 could be,
what actions are you taking to figure that out?
perhaps you too are trying to figure out things about her in deceptive ways since in House 12th you're not transparent with others but hiding beind a veil.

Anyhow to your question, no,
your sister is not actively taking action against you, she is actually vulnerable and with her hands tied it seems.
If things are not factual, you might be fighting with your own ghost due to
being in House 12th yourself.
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You are in House 12th
and you say you are unsure of why, yet you are in House 12th, so instead focus on,
what am I not seeing?
also that she behaved inappropiately with your husband and children, but
is this a suspicion or did you catch an act or something, factual and concrete?

being in House 12th also means that you are not and cannot think straight, you are perhaps worried, in distress not able to use good judgment
also it's you it seems who is out to get her, as its the house of enemies, planning and plotting what to do against your sister
because you "deem" her unsafe, which makes sense
if you deem someone unsafe you are likely to take actions [too] against or about that person, in this case your sister.

perhaps since you "assume" she's the reason your family members are acting strange to you,
HOuse 12 could be,
what actions are you taking to figure that out?
perhaps you too are trying to figure out things about her in deceptive ways since in House 12th you're not transparent with others but hiding beind a veil.

Anyhow to your question, no,
your sister is not actively taking action against you, she is actually vulnerable and with her hands tied it seems.
If things are not factual, you might be fighting with your own ghost due to
being in House 12th yourself.
Great questions. I was in denial for many, many years with my sister. I wanted to believe that she in fact cares for me as I did for her but her actions continously proved otherwise. Let me just runs a few things down to make it clearer for you.

She lied and said that I kicked her pregnant belly so that people would stop congratulating me for my college acceptance.

While I was preparing to go away for school, she was becoming an unwed mother which was a huge disappointment to my parents. She began to speak disparagingly about me to our extended family members, church family, friends and neighbors and told them how much she hated me. How do I know this you ask? Well, because every week at service until I finally left home people would come to me and ask why my sister hated me so much and that we should really work it out.

I told my family I was sexually assaulted by a family acquaintance. What did she do? She befriended him and became so close that she excepted an invite to his wedding and encouraged the rest of the family to attend. She NEVER once consoled me when she was informed of the incident.

She invited me to stay with her after I graduated college because she knew I was in need of a place. She knew I made my move based on her invite. The day I came to her place, she looked at me with a bewildered look and said that she said nothing of the sort and that I had to find some other place to stay.

I was applying to law school but working on a trial as a paralegal at my job. I couldn't apply at work because I couldn't use the office computer. She invited me to do it at her place. I went there and after an hour (6pm) she told me that I had to leave and couldn't come back to finish because she wanted privacy. She knew I needed to finish it that night to make the deadline.

She sabotaged my baby shower and caused a HUGE fight which in turned made my mother's side of the family not speak to me, my husband and children for years.

I walked in on her telling my mother to not talk to me and forget about reaching out to me because I didnt answer the phone when she called the 1st time ( I was busy caring for my newborn, 1yr old and a 2 yr old and couldn't jump to the phone)

Every good thing that happened for me, she was silent. If she wasn't silent she either cried, "what about me?" to another family member or my husband or grimaced and said it wasnt a big deal.

She wore scantily clad clothing around my husband and frequently visted him when I wasnt around. She N.E.V.E.R bought me a gift in her entire life but all off a sudden is buying my husband xbox kinects and watches (he either rejected the giftes or never used them).

She had a FIT when my husband surprised me with a new car. How do I know you may ask? Well, she had the fit while on the phone with me and asked why couldnt she have one. She stopped hanging with my children and spoke about me to my husband and try to make him swear to not tell me what she said about me. During that convo she admitted to him that she stopped dealing with my daughter because of me. By the way, her close friend pulled me aside and told me that she was jealous of my family.
There is so much more 💩. So much more. But there is no needed to go further.

Gaslighting doesn't work on me any longer. It did for all those years prior which is the reason I ignored all the signs and plus, I desperately wanted to believe good in my family.

I said I didn't know the reason why my sister hates me because my sister is an attractive intelligent woman who can have anything she wants. She didnt get married but she has a beautiful daughter who loves her. I couldn't and still don't understand her deep resentment towards me because I saw so much good for her.

I didn't assume she was speaking ill of me because both family and friends told me that she was. I have attempted family meetings and they have all shown their refusal for it.

If you are going to look at one horary chart and make an assessment, be sure to look at the others. Did you see the chart asking if she purposly flirted with my husband? How about the one where I asked if she was trying to sleep with my husband?

With all I wrote along with with the horary charts in this post, do you still think that its an assumption? That its all in my head? If so, why validate one chart and invalidate the others?

Im not plotting to get her. I'm only moving on with my life rn. I do not trust her around my children so I don't allow any interaction between them. Preventing any interaction is not hard at all because she hasn't reached out to them at all since my husband purchase me a vehicle 3yrs ago.

But after all this, if you still feel like I'm missing something, please let me know. I'm open to reading more of your thoughts on this.

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You are in House 12th
and you say you are unsure of why, yet you are in House 12th, so instead focus on,
what am I not seeing?
also that she behaved inappropiately with your husband and children, but
is this a suspicion or did you catch an act or something, factual and concrete?

being in House 12th also means that you are not and cannot think straight, you are perhaps worried, in distress not able to use good judgment
also it's you it seems who is out to get her, as its the house of enemies, planning and plotting what to do against your sister
because you "deem" her unsafe, which makes sense
if you deem someone unsafe you are likely to take actions [too] against or about that person, in this case your sister.

perhaps since you "assume" she's the reason your family members are acting strange to you,
HOuse 12 could be,
what actions are you taking to figure that out?
perhaps you too are trying to figure out things about her in deceptive ways since in House 12th you're not transparent with others but hiding beind a veil.

Anyhow to your question, no,
your sister is not actively taking action against you, she is actually vulnerable and with her hands tied it seems.
If things are not factual, you might be fighting with your own ghost due to
being in House 12th yourself.

I'm also interested in where you got your information for the 12th house. I believe many get this house confused themselves and make false assumptions on how it operates.

Its not that 12th housers cant think. Its more of seeing beyond the veil/masks that people put on for the world. Its more of tapping into the subconscious and or hidden motives of others around them.

Aspects plays a big part as you know with all houses and placements but as for me, it doesnt show up in the way you assume it does.
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Now this is something I hope to get some clearity on regarding reception/deception in horary.

The horary chart, "Is she still trying to sabotage me?" has me, Jupiter, in domicile and her, Venus, in fall.

Does her being Venus in Virgo show her being deceptive and or untrustworthy? Researching a bit more on this topic, I'm reading that a planet in its fall or detriment doesnt only mean that its weak. It can also mean deception on the part of the planet.

Her Venus in Virgo is rejecting my Jupiter but I am more than willing to accept her showing that she has no intentions to resolve or show any warmth towards me despite any effort on my part.
She's also on the cusp or approaching my 7th house of open enemies and making a trine to the co-signifactor, Moon.
I may be "strong" being at home but I'm not welcomed anywhere else.

Could the fact that the signifactors are making an aspect actually indicate that the answer is yes and me being in the 12th house is me not knowing how she is sabotaging me? Hence Jupiter being in retrograde despite being in its domicile signifying a vulnerability in my position?

I came across a couple of different posts regarding this. One from Astrologyweekly and the other from a different source.

1st link:
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15164

That's a good (if simple) way to look at it. Reception by detriment or fall indicates that there is antipathy...that is, if there is an aspect (and for 'true' reception to occur, there needs to be an aspect either applying or separating) and one planet receives the other by detriment/fall, the receiving planet may intend harm; at the least, as you say, it won't do you much good. If there is no aspect, only this 'negative reception', the planets sort of eyeball one another with little interest, or dislike, but there is no interaction.

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Thanks AG.
ok, let me make sure I am getting this correct. Let's say for example the Moon is in Virgo. The Moon is not too fond of Jupiter or Venus, they may dislike them or are apathetic towards them. May even intend to do them harm? right?
Can we say that if there's no aspect that's how they are viewed, perhaps if there's an aspect that may reflect the harm intended? Or am I reading into it too much?


2nd link:
http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2949

Deception - when one planet is located in the domicile or exaltation of a second planet, the second planet being in the detriment or fall of the first. This condition creates more complicated circumstances than the 'rejection' because in the deception one party delivers, the other not. In one way it is a relationship where two people are hung up in eachother, almost like a karmic imbalance. The two misunderstand eachother and get into knots. It is difficult to figure out the dialogue that the planets share. It is like a love-hate relationship. The one significator enjoys the admiration of the second, but there is no mutual reprociation. The second planet is in a representation the first signifcator abhors. Impulse and embarrassment intermix. Example: 1) Mars in Gemini or Virgo with Mercury in Taurus, Cancer or Libra 2) Jupiter in Libra, Capricorn or Aquarius with Saturn in Gemini, Virgo or Capricon.


Should there be a different or more in depth analysis of the chart?

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Re: Is she still trying to sabotage me

I do a simplified for of traditional astrology-- many more details out there, but I try to focus on the main testimonies.

Traditional astrology looks at planetary strength a lot. A domiciled planet in direct motion in a good house is compared to the king in his castle. A peregrine planet in a "bad" house is like being in a foreign country when you've lost your wallet, you don't speak the language, and the locals are unfriendly.

Both testimonies for you and your sister are mixed, although she's apparently in the worse position.

Jupiter in domicile is good, but being retrograde in the twelfth house gives it some demerits. Possibly you are being kept in the dark about family matters. Venus is in her own terms in Pisces, so you seem ready to receive your sister, but she doesn't return the favor.

Venus is not only in her fall, but peregrine: no essential dignity. The word peregrine comes from the Latin root for "foreigner." I think the untrustworthy idea comes from the suspicion with which local people would view a stranger in their midst. I don't think it is the strongest testimony to untrustworthiness, but this interpretation is consistent with how your view your sister. Then the 6th house of "bad fortune" isn't in a good accidental position, either.

The moon shows your emotional stake in the matter and the state-of-play for the question. Some would call it your co-significator. The moon is in-sect and angular, which is beneficial; but it is also in detriment in Capricorn. The moon is out-of-orb at the moment, so not doing very much, but its next aspect will be an opposition to Mercury. So it's not helping matters.

Possibly, if you look deep-down, you will see ways in which you contributed to the dysfunctionality of the relationship with your sister, even if you did so inadvertently. Because if a debilitated planet indicates deception for Venus, it would also do so for the moon.

Is your sister trying to sabotage you? Well, if she was coming on to your husband, I suppose that goes without saying.

Maybe your path forward does not lie so much in assigning blame to your sister, which you've already done, but in seeking a healthy and productive path forward for yourself.
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