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Unread 08-07-2014, 11:28 PM
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Aspects that create an envious person

hi there, sorry if this is a novice question but i'm having trouble finding some answers

i was wondering if certain aspects in people create envy... lusting after what other people have, copying them or sabotaging what they have to either ruin it for them or have it for theirself. i've unfortunately had too many people like this in my life and so i've decided to examine it further and hopefully find some closure.

i've noticed nearly all of them have sun square pluto (in scorpio), and was wondering if this is really the major factor. from what i understand that aspect creates a very negative, forceful and manipulative personality. another thing I noticed was pluto square... anything. i wasn't sure what other types of aspects to really look for in terms of envy and manipulation, pluto seemed the most relevant...

are there any other aspects to look for, or perhaps do certain aspects make one vulnerable to this type of person?

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Unread 08-07-2014, 11:33 PM
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Re: Aspects that create an envious person

Aspects that could indicate unhappiness (with one's belongings or self), 'power issues', issues with Ego and self esteem + insecurities could have something to do with this.

This is a good question. I've been wondering about it too. I can't wait to hear some responses.
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hi there, sorry if this is a novice question but i'm having trouble finding some answers

i was wondering if certain aspects in people create envy... lusting after what other people have, copying them or sabotaging what they have to either ruin it for them or have it for theirself. i've unfortunately had too many people like this in my life and so i've decided to examine it further and hopefully find some closure.

i've noticed nearly all of them have sun square pluto (in scorpio), and was wondering if this is really the major factor. from what i understand that aspect creates a very negative, forceful and manipulative personality. another thing I noticed was pluto square... anything. i wasn't sure what other types of aspects to really look for in terms of envy and manipulation, pluto seemed the most relevant...

are there any other aspects to look for, or perhaps do certain aspects make one vulnerable to this type of person?
For them, maybe Moon (longing) in the Second House (possessions).

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Re: Aspects that create an envious person

Maybe start at the elements and then move down the tree. Look for a lack of an element that corresponds with the object of envy in a persons natal chart. Envy can be of any element, you just need to place it right. It may have watery things like Moon and Pluto there - but it's not that much of a deep rooted feeling as it is an ego matter. So, always pay attention to the Sun, Mars, Venus and Mercury - their position and what they are doing in a chart. (For the sake of the argument, I believe that a very close conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn could be a very bad situation regarding envy).

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1. Someone who is envious of another persons victory in a tournament - i would give this to fire, look mostly for mars and mercury and their corresponding signs and houses.. but still draw from fire.

2. Someone who is envious of someones fame and achievements or dreams to become like that - but never does, may have a lack of air. Look for aspects between the standard ego planets and Uranus. Saturn should also be observed.

3. Someone who is envious of possessions.. well it's obvious this is earth, VENUS, second house.. and so forth

Ps. A big emphasis on a certain element in a natal chart can also point to a type of envy (especially with earth or fire).

Just my 2 cents, BR

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Maybe start at the elements and then move down the tree. Look for a lack of an element that corresponds with the object of envy in a persons natal chart. Envy can be of any element, you just need to place it right. It may have watery things like Moon and Pluto there - but it's not that much of a deep rooted feeling as it is an ego matter. So, always pay attention to the Sun, Mars, Venus and Mercury - their position and what they are doing in a chart. (For the sake of the argument, I believe that a very close conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn could be a very bad situation regarding envy).

Examples..

1. Someone who is envious of another persons victory in a tournament - i would give this to fire, look mostly for mars and mercury and their corresponding signs and houses.. but still draw from fire.

2. Someone who is envious of someones fame and achievements or dreams to become like that - but never does, may have a lack of air. Look for aspects between the standard ego planets and Uranus. Saturn should also be observed.

3. Someone who is envious of possessions.. well it's obvious this is earth, VENUS, second house.. and so forth

Ps. A big emphasis on a certain element in a natal chart can also point to a type of envy (especially with earth or fire).

Just my 2 cents, BR
Thanks for this insight, it makes a lot of sense... There's lots of deficiencies in their charts where I am dominant so it's worth investigating further... I see no Jupiter/Saturn conjunctions but they all have oppositions, in either cancer/capricorn or leo/aquarius...

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Astrology is way more complicated than that.

You are looking for a silver bullet. There is none.
Well I guess you're entitled to your opinion. Oh well.
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Re: Aspects that create an envious person

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Maybe start at the elements and then move down the tree. Look for a lack of an element that corresponds with the object of envy in a persons natal chart. Envy can be of any element, you just need to place it right. It may have watery things like Moon and Pluto there - but it's not that much of a deep rooted feeling as it is an ego matter. So, always pay attention to the Sun, Mars, Venus and Mercury - their position and what they are doing in a chart. (For the sake of the argument, I believe that a very close conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn could be a very bad situation regarding envy).

Examples..

1. Someone who is envious of another persons victory in a tournament - i would give this to fire, look mostly for mars and mercury and their corresponding signs and houses.. but still draw from fire.

2. Someone who is envious of someones fame and achievements or dreams to become like that - but never does, may have a lack of air. Look for aspects between the standard ego planets and Uranus. Saturn should also be observed.

3. Someone who is envious of possessions.. well it's obvious this is earth, VENUS, second house.. and so forth

Ps. A big emphasis on a certain element in a natal chart can also point to a type of envy (especially with earth or fire).

Just my 2 cents, BR
Great observations. I can only speak on what my heart has experienced. I know I am very, very envious person in terms of the possessions and beauty others acquire (depite the fact I continually attract people that show me my wealth and my larger than life characteristics). Not on an extroverted point of view of wanting to take from others or destroy their possesions. But an introverted Point of View of self-defeat and criticism of not being good enough to have those things.

My Venus is in Aries XII which to my knowledge isn't the most promising placement. On top of that it is square moon and trine Saturn. I attribute this to my feeling of obligation to give and discipline to follow through in giving no matter how detrimental it is to me.

Then this eye is turned to my second house which has Pluto sitting right in the middle with Scorpio. I constantly compare what I have to what others have and evaluate my values of it. And being that I give away everything I don't have much which is a huge source of envy. Been a life long struggle with this one.

Maybe that's why my north node is in Taurus though.

Until the next moment....
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