Astrologers' Community  

Go Back   Astrologers' Community > General Astrology > Traditional Astrology

Traditional Astrology For discussions on Traditional Astrology only. (Note: Typically, traditional astrology is defined as using techniques developed prior to 1700 by astrologers from the Hellenistic, Persian, Hebrew, and Renaissance eras. In general, it relies on Ptolemaic aspects (sextile, trine, square, opposition and conjunction) though there may be some exceptions, and always excludes modern planets (Neptune, Uranus and Pluto,) as well as any asteroids. The focus is less on what would be considered modern psychological chart interpretation and more on prediction. Members who wish to explore a combination of traditional and modern ideas should feel free to start a new thread in an appropriate forum for further discussion.)


Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #101  
Unread 08-25-2021, 02:06 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 72,642
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

*





PISCES is the domain of the hermit and the monk
who after assimilating too much knowledge
became confused and troubled.
This is symbolic of piscean inner turmoil
with the two sides of an argument,
or the 2 fish set against each other.
The effect is one of self undoing
because
the native takes positions that are
inherently contradictory to each other.


According to Valens: "….Pisces is a feminine zoidion
... opposed to itself because of
being both in the south and in the north
... Those so born are inconstant, of two minds
those who change from bad to good
erotic, servile, licentious, prolific, popular."

In contrast to the other sign administered to by Jupiter
which is about seeing
this sign is about believing, faith, and sacrifice


for PISCES SATURN - Here the principle of agnoia
often causes the native
to forget that they are a part of the human family.
This represents the test of compassion
of which the ultimate example is
whether they will lay down their own life for their fellow man.
In most nativities, this extreme is never reachedbut frequently they are somehow put into situations
that obligate them to take care of those less fortunate
at a sacrifice to their own well being.
Saturn is the planet of agnoia and neglect
there is the danger of falling into disgrace and dishonor
if they forget to live by the same high standards they expect others to live by.
Because of this, the penalties for failure are much higher
and less forgiving for these natives than they are for most.
In a diurnal chart Saturn can function effectively
under the principle of limitation set by the diurnal sect
and set realistic goals for the native.
Therefore these individuals often reach positions of power and prestige.
Their integrity is often unquestionable
and rarely do they suffer dishonor or disgrace.

On another level, PISCES SATURN individuals
often have a hard time maintaining structure and routine.
Their lives may stagnate to the point that they may be tempted
to withdraw and live the life of a hermit.
It can also represent a test of faith
because Saturn essentially says
that there is nothing beyond itself and what is physically real
or in the words of Descartes
that there is nothing real but extension.




However, Pisces hints at what is beyond
because it is the last of the signs
and signifies reintegration into the collective.
In contrast to the easy going nature of PISCES JUPITER
an individual with PISCES SATURN tends
to take life too seriously and lacks a sense of humor.
They may tend to suffer from depression
and indulge themselves in self pity.
They may be allergic to pets.

In a diurnal chart, the heat of the day helps to minimize
the coldness of Saturn and the dryness helps
to make distinct their obligations to those less fortunate.
A PISCES SATURN is a good position for those
who would work in mental institutions or hospitals
and allows the setting of limits
as to how much personal sacrifice the native will have to endure.
source: Curtis Manwaring


.

__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #102  
Unread 08-27-2021, 02:41 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 72,642
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

*


'.....the nature of Saturn

is cold, dry, melancholic, dark, of heavy harshness
And perhaps he will be cold [and] moist, heavy
of stinking odor, and he is of much eating and true esteem.
And he signifies works of moisture and the cultivation of land,
and peasants, and village companions, and the settlement of lands,
also buildings and waters and rivers,
and the quantities or measures of things,
and the divisions of the earth,
also affluence and a multitude of assets,
and masteries which are done by hand, greed
and the greatest poverty and the poor....'
~ ABU MA'SHAR http://www.bendykes.com/ita.php


.
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #103  
Unread 08-28-2021, 09:49 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 72,642
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

*





HOW TO DELINEATE SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS


When faced with the smorgasbord of tools and techniques
found in Traditional Astrology

the beginner Astrologer often finds themselves asking
that singularly important question: "Where to begin?"


Steven E. Birchfield speaks about how best to orient ourselves
when beginning to read a natal chart traditionally.
There is a vast landscape of tradition, practice, and practicality
which one of the leading luminaries
within the field of Traditional Astrology in the world today
guides us on our journey
towards the heart of a grounded approach to Astrology.
Steven Birchfield on Reading A Natal Chart using Traditional Astrology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmRF...&feature=share


.
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #104  
Unread 08-30-2021, 03:02 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 72,642
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

*


SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
remains in each sign
for
approximately
TWO AND ONE HALF YEARS
dependent on whether retrograde or direct

.
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #105  
Unread 08-30-2021, 08:57 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 72,642
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

*



SATURN

Physical descriptions offered:

Generally the body is cold and dry, of a middle stature
the complexion pale, swartish or muddy
his eyes small and dark, looking downward
a broad forehead, black or sad hair, and it hard or rugged
great ears, hanging
lowering eye-brows, thick lips and nose, a rare or thin beard
a lumpish, unpleasant countenance
either holding his head forward or stooping
his shoulders broad and large, and many times crooked
his belly somewhat short and lank
his thighs spare, lean and not long
his knees and feet indecent, many times shovelling
or hitting one against another.


You must observe, if Saturn is oriental of the Sun
the stature is more short, but decent and well composed
if occidental, the man is more black and lean, and fewer hairs
if Saturn lacks latitude, the body is leaner
if he have great latitude, the body is more fat or fleshy
if the latitude be meridional or south, more fleshy
but quick in motion.
If the latitude be north, hairy and much flesh.
Saturn in his first station, a little fat.
In his second station, fat, ill favoured bodies, and weak
and this applies to all the other planets.


Manners when well dignified:

Profound in imagination, severe in his acts, in words reserved
in speaking and giving very spare, in labour patient
in arguing or disputing grave
in obtaining the goods of this life studious and solicitous
in all manner of actions austere.


Manners when badly placed:

Then he is envious, covetous, jealous and mistrustful
timorous, sordid, outwardly dissembling,sluggish, suspicious, stubborn
a condemner of women, a close liar, malicious, murmuring
never contented, ever repining.


.
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #106  
Unread 08-31-2021, 02:38 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 72,642
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

*


https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=121676

Stars are unfavorably placed when they are with their depressions
and unfavorable houserulers
when they are inoperative, especially with the VI and the XII
when they are not rejoicing with their sects and images
when setting under the beams and retreating
whenever they are not rising alongside favorable non-wandering stars


when they are ascending from SATURN
and
when they are ascending from Mars
both particularly with exchanges of rays
and superior placements.





.
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #107  
Unread 08-31-2021, 10:07 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 72,642
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

*





To determine whether
SATURN SOLE DOMICILE OF AQUARIUS
is
a PRIMARY RULER of a chart
or not
Hellenistic astrologers have a number of primary rulers
all of which have different functions
The first probably most important
is the PREDOMINATOR of a chart.
The predominator of a chart
is the luminary of time
sun by day or moon by night
PROVIDED IS NOT CADENT

If sun is cadent in a Day chart then moon is predominator.
If moon is cadent in a Night chart then sun is predominator.

If both luminaries are cadent
i.e.
if both Sun and Moon are
then
ascendant is the predominator.


If the domicile ruler of the ascendant is also cadent
use the Lot of Fortune.
Some find that:
The cadent luminary can still be predominator
IF it is in his/her own house of Joy
i.e.
Sun is in 9th
or
Moon is in 3rd.

The predominator = planet that represents the life of the native.
The trigon aka triplicity lords of the predominator
tell use the thirds of life of the native
i.e.
first trigon lord = first part of life
second trigon lord = second part of life
and
third trigon lord = third part of life.
Once the predominator has been determined
then proceed
to determine the OIKODESPOTES of the natal chart.

Quote:


It survives in a summary of Balbilus and is also mentioned by Valens as a popular method along with decennials. The principle is the same as decennials, only the times are different.
You start with the predominator,
and then allot years as many as the minor recurrence years
of the planets in zodiacal order

(sun - 19,
moon - 25,
saturn - 30,
jupiter - 12,
mars - 15,
venus - 8
and
mercury - 20).

The difference between this and the 129 year method is that
if the stars should not be upon the degrees of their exaltations,
it will be necessary to
substract as many days as there are years, by sign, as many months.

One can further divide each time into 129 parts as many times as necessary.



.
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #108  
Unread 09-01-2021, 12:23 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 72,642
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

*

TRADITIONALLY

SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

Quote:

Traditional astrology is rooted in a world view that is much more deterministic or fate-based.

In traditional astrology you are not so much looking to ‘...transcend...’ your chart
as to understand
or divine
(divin-ation, learning the will of the divine)
your place in the overall order.
I think of it as aligning yourself with the order of the universe
and
how you happen to fit in it.....

....Traditional astrology places a heavy emphasis
on evaluating the condition of planets
sometimes fortunate and sometimes very unfortunate.

Also, some planets are naturally helpful or benefic

for example Traditionally


Jupiter aka The Greater Benefic is "...naturally helpful..."

Quote:

some are naturally disruptive or malefic.
for example

Traditionally
SATURN aka The Greater Malefic is "...naturally unhelpful..." "...naturally disruptive..."

Quote:


In traditional astrology all charts are not created equal
and not all planets are equally effective
some people are, if you will, fated for success, or good marriages or wealth
and some are fated to have rough lives in different ways.
So traditional astrology is much more focused towards a realistic evaluation of a chart
and how it works out in your life.
Traditional astrology does not ignore
or
gloss over
difficult or negative aspects of the chart.
....I have found that learning traditional astrology
has forced me to really think through
and come to terms with what I think is going on
when I read a chart for someone.

—–

In traditional astrology a planet in the 10th has nothing to do with capricorn
and a planet in Taurus has nothing to do with money.



.... signs in traditional astrology are used mostly as environments
within which the various planets can function
sometimes effectively, sometimes ineffectively.

The most important facts about the sign are
where is the ruler of that sign
and what shape is it in
and what planets are in that sign
and what shape are they in.


Quote:


No Sign is intrinsically strong or weak.
It is made so by the planets in it

or

the lack thereof,
and

by its position amidst the house cusps.

Just for example

as the mutable water sign
we might see Pisces as "...weak..."
but if

someone has Pisces in the 10th house

with the MC, sun and Jupiter - domiciled there

with Jupiter trining the - domiciled moon in Cancer,

Pisces has strength in this situation.
Much more so than the sun intercepted in Scorpio - fixed water

in 12th house.
You get the picture.
Quote:


There is no such thing as a weak sign.

There are weak placements

but no weak signs.

Signs are neutral.


They have descriptions, sure, like human, mute, violent, bestial,

fertile, barren, crooked, long ascending, and on and on,

but at the end of the day
THE SIGNS ARE NEUTRAL.

IT'S THE PLANETS

both in and that rule them
THAT BRING SIGNS TO LIFE

Quote:

TROPICAL Astrological SIGNS are distinct from the CONSTELLATIONS

with which over centuries, they were conflated
Originally, SIGN meant simply "...a Sign of the SEASON..."
because
SIGNS were basically a Calender of the Seasons
which followed the Seasonal Path of the Sun on the Ecliptic


source material

HISTORY OF THE ZODIAC

an in-depth exploration of the origins of the Babylonian Zodiac

and its location in the ecliptic
reveals that
the division of the ecliptic into tropical astrological signs
was originally a derivation of Euctemon's tropical Calendar of Seasons
(432 B.C.)

QUOTE

"...dividing the solar year into twelve equal months commencing with the vernal equinox,
in which each solar (tropical) month is named after one of each of the twelve signs..."Dr. Robert Powell

brief bio of Robert A. Powell
:

born Reading, England,1947 graduated in mathematics at Sussex university 1968
awarded Master's degree in statistics 1969
.
1969 to 1976 lectured in mathematics & statistics
in the Department of Computing and Cybernetics at Brighton Polytechnic.
1971 elected Fellow of the Royal Statistical Society.
From its inception in 1971

Powell was a tutor in mathematics for the Open University, until 1974.
Powell left Brighton Polytechnic in 1976

in order to complete his research on the history of the zodiac
during 1976-77 Robert A. Powell was visiting lecturer in astronomy

and the history of astronomy

at Emerson College, England
Powell also researched astronomical chronology at the Mathematisch- Physikalisches Institut, Dornach, near Basel, Switzerland.
Quote:

a Sign is comparable to an ENVIRONMENT and is NEUTRAL
and is neither weak nor strong nor partial

to use an analogy from nature:
a cactus thrives in sand in harsh sun and dies when placed in nutrient rich soil in shade




i.e.
sand is NEUTRAL
sand IS NOT partial to cacti



similarly SIGNS are IMPARTIAL and NEUTRAL


another example:




a mushroom thrives when placed in nutrient rich soil in darkness and dies when placed in sand in harsh sun

i.e. to be clear then
nutrient rich ground is NEUTRAL and is not PARTIAL to mushrooms


similarly SIGNS are IMPARTIAL and NEUTRAL

hence clearly

Signs are COMPARABLE to an ENVIRONMENT
an environment is IMPARTIAL


SIGNS are neither weak nor strong
Signs are NEUTRAL
Quote:


Traditional astrology has a heavy emphasis on sect
as defining the overall strength and weakness of the planets.
Charts are either diurnal or nocturnal
depending on whether the sun is above or below the horizon.
The different planets are either diurnal or nocturnal also
and the quality of their function
is greatly influenced by
their agreeing or disagreeing with the sect of the chart.
The form of traditional astrology I practice uses whole sign houses
which go back to the Hellenistic era and were used for over a millennium.

In whole sign houses all of the sign the Ascendant is in is the first house,
all of the next sign is the second, so sign and house boundaries coincide.
Whole sign aspects, seeing and aversion.
In traditional astrology, a planet anywhere in Cancer is trine a planet anywhere in Pisces
regardless of how close they are by degree.
(Traditional astrology also uses degree-based aspects, but for different purpose.)
Traditional astrology uses only what are called the Ptolemaic aspects
– sextile, square, trine, and opposition.
(Conjunctions are also used, but strictly speaking they are not aspects.)
A planet that aspects another planet can ‘...see...’ that planet.
Any planets that do not have one of these aspects
are considered to be in aversion
meaning they can’t see each other
so there is a lack of awareness between them.
There are multiple levels of rulers used
– Lord or Ruler, Exaltation, Trigon or Triplicity, Bound or Term, and Face,
and all but face seem to have been widely used.


There is much heavier emphasis on the Lord of the Ascendant
than on the sun.

Traditional astrology is mainly framed around answering specific questions
about specific areas of life.

Traditional astrology uses only traditional rulerships.
Mars rules Scorpio, Jupiter rules Pisces, Saturn rules Aquarius.
Also, to traditional astrology, rulership does not mean affinity;
it means that the planet is in charge of the affairs of that sign.
So
if you have a seventh house Taurus
the location and condition of Venus
are going to largely determine the nature and quality of your relationships.
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #109  
Unread 09-01-2021, 10:51 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 72,642
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

*




The Minor Years of the Planets
are consistently given in many different texts.
One source is
at the end of Book III
of the Anthology by Valens

free download.

Below are the Minor Years of each planet
  • SATURN – 30
  • Jupiter – 12
  • Mars – 15
  • Sun – 19
  • Venus – 8
  • Mercury – 20
  • Moon – 25
In various sections of the Anthology
especially Book VII
Valens uses the years of the planets for prediction.
He combines the minor years of planets that are in configurations.


Valens also
combines minor years of planets with those of their ruler.


The basic idea is that
a planet’s effects are likely to manifest
or ripen
near to the number of years of the planet.
Multiples of the years are also used.
For instance, Venus ripens every 8 years
so at age 16, 24, 32, and 40 she may also come into focus.

Note that the native’s 16th year is actually when he/she is 15
so the indication can also be
for the year leading up to that age.

Combining Years

Combinations include summing the Minor Years of two planets.
We can sum the Minor Years of a planet and its ruler
for activation of the planet in the sign.

For instance, age 27 may be an activation of
the Sun in Taurus - Sun 19 plus Venus 8.


Additionally, to time out the ripening of configurations
we combine the years of the planets involved.
For instance, age 27 may see the activation of
a Jupiter - 12 - square Mars - 15 - configuration in the chart.

article at https://sevenstarsastrology.com/astr...ision-of-days/

.
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #110  
Unread 09-02-2021, 11:34 AM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 72,642
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

*








https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...767#post920767


Mercury onto SATURN favorably placed increase reputation

and bring acquisition,
harm enemies, provide benefits from ancient unions, trade and matters.
When unfavorably placed, they indicate lawsuits, unemployment,
debt, harm from friends, servants and treachery.



.
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #111  
Unread 09-02-2021, 04:42 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 72,642
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

*





https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=121676


SATURN EXALTATION = Libra 21°
AFFINITY WITH THE PLACES
Saturn - Libra as IC aka death - opposite MC


The Scales exalt Saturn
for they are the Anti-Midheaven of the Universe
changeable
cooling
and death-bringing because of the subterranean, opposing the Sun,
superior to Capricorn
and
configured through superior trigon with Aquarius - its own domicile.

The 21st degree is especially exalting because of Alpha Librae.
Saturn is ''...depressed...'' in Aries for it afflicts kingship
with extremely dry qualities.


.
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #112  
Unread 09-03-2021, 09:15 AM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 72,642
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

*




the following useful advice is
provided by greybeard

Quote:

HOUSES DO NOT RULE PLANETS.


PLANETS RULE SIGNS

and a sign ruled by a particular planet appears on the cusp of some house.

The planet that rules the sign on the cusp of a house is lord of that house, its ruler.

The ruler of a house has dominion over the affairs of the house
and of any planets found within the boundaries of the sign it rules.

Whether the ruler operates for good or evil depends on its conditioning
for which there are many measurements.

A planet in a house operates most strongly there because directly,
although its behavior is determined by its ruler, even though indirect.
Rather than "ruler"
we might say that the planet ruling the sign on a cusp "disposes" that house
and whatever it contains.

Houses are fixed in relation to Earth.
They are earth-bound, or mundane, and symbolize "surrounding circumstances".

.
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #113  
Unread 09-04-2021, 12:36 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 72,642
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

*


Medieval alchemists
ascribed to the planet Saturn
a gloomy and slow character

aka

SATURNINE a word rarely used



When people are called SATURNINE
and/or have SATURNINE dispositions
they are often described as:
- brooding, bitter, obsessive
- sluggish or taciturn
- having a gloomy manner


.
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #114  
Unread 09-04-2021, 02:52 PM
Blaze's Avatar
Blaze Blaze is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: The Divide
Posts: 10,748
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

Speaking of Saturn....

That upcoming trine to horrible Libra combinations of Sun/Mars/Mercury is coming up. Saturn will also square Libra's ruling planet as she moves into Scorpio.

Oh boy.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Blaze For This Useful Post:
JUPITERASC (09-04-2021), Oddity (09-04-2021)
  #115  
Unread 09-04-2021, 03:23 PM
david starling david starling is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Yes
Posts: 30,698
Smile Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaze View Post
Speaking of Saturn....

That upcoming trine to horrible Libra combinations of Sun/Mars/Mercury is coming up. Saturn will also square Libra's ruling planet as she moves into Scorpio.

Oh boy.

There's a Sun/Mars/Mercury conjunction in mid tropical Libra on October 11th, the same day Saturn stations Direct in early tropical Aquarius.

On that day, Saturn in early tropical Aquarius will be Sextile Libra's Domicile-ruler Venus in early tropical Sagittarius.

In 10 hours, Saturn rx in tropical Aquarius will be exactly Trine Mercury in tropical Libra.

Last edited by david starling; 09-04-2021 at 03:36 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #116  
Unread 09-04-2021, 04:46 PM
Oddity's Avatar
Oddity Oddity is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 3,794
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

Yay! More restrictions.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaze View Post
Speaking of Saturn....

That upcoming trine to horrible Libra combinations of Sun/Mars/Mercury is coming up. Saturn will also square Libra's ruling planet as she moves into Scorpio.

Oh boy.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Oddity For This Useful Post:
Blaze (09-04-2021), JUPITERASC (09-04-2021)
  #117  
Unread 09-04-2021, 05:17 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 72,642
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaze View Post


Speaking of Saturn....
That upcoming trine to horrible Libra combinations of Sun/Mars/Mercury
is coming up. Saturn will also square Libra's ruling planet
as she moves into Scorpio.
Oh boy.


Libra's ruling planet
i.e.
VENUS
shall square Saturn

because
Saturn is slowest moving traditional planet

therefore

Saturn does not apply in aspect to
nor have separating aspect from
any of the other six traditional planets
instead
the other six traditional planets aspect Saturn
subtle distinction


.





.
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to JUPITERASC For This Useful Post:
Blaze (09-04-2021)
  #118  
Unread 09-04-2021, 05:19 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 72,642
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oddity View Post

Yay! More restrictions.

Siriusly Suits Saturn


.
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to JUPITERASC For This Useful Post:
Blaze (09-04-2021)
  #119  
Unread 09-04-2021, 06:02 PM
Blaze's Avatar
Blaze Blaze is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: The Divide
Posts: 10,748
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oddity View Post
Yay! More restrictions.


Doomer actually suits Saturn.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Blaze For This Useful Post:
JUPITERASC (09-04-2021), Oddity (09-04-2021)
  #120  
Unread 09-04-2021, 07:06 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 72,642
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaze View Post


Doomer actually suits Saturn.


SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER AQUARIUS IS A MALEFIC







.
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to JUPITERASC For This Useful Post:
Blaze (09-04-2021)
  #121  
Unread 09-04-2021, 07:19 PM
Blaze's Avatar
Blaze Blaze is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: The Divide
Posts: 10,748
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

That is why Jupiter is better than Saturn. Unless he's inflating something horrible, then...well...

On that topic, Jup is in Aqua again, right? Does it see (inflate) the incoming dreadful combo of Sun/Mars/Mercury?
Reply With Quote
  #122  
Unread 09-09-2021, 01:18 PM
sinhtheslumberingdragon sinhtheslumberingdragon is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 90
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

Quote:
Originally Posted by JUPITERASC View Post
*





next planet equally important in overall rulership of a nativity
besides Oikodespotes
aka domicile master of the chart


is
KURIOS aka Lord of the nativity.

Kurios is the executor of the agenda
that Oikodespotes aka domicile master holds.

Determination of whether

SATURN SOLE DOMICILA RULER OF AQUARIUS may be Kurios
is determined from the following candidates

1. Ascendant sign.

Establish whether any planet(s) are in the Ascendant sign
AND bounds of the ascending degree.

2. Domicile Lord of Ascendant.

3. Moon and its Domicile Lord

4. Tenth sign from ascendant and its Domicile Lord

5. Lot of Fortune and its Domicile Lord.

6. Any planets that make phasis in the chart.

include planets that make a first or second station seven days

before
or
after

nativity.

7. The bound lord of the pre-natal lunation.


Kurios aka The Lord of the nativity
is determined using the above hierarchy
AND
is also fit to conduct its business



.

Hi, JUPITERASC


I wanted to give a try in calculating this.


1. Ascendant sign, Jupiter in First house conj. Asc


2. Domciile lord is Mercury


3. Moon is in Virgo, domicile Lord is once again Mercury


4. in the 10th sign we find the sun and it is ruled by Jupiter


5. Lot of Fortune is ruled by Jupiter and found in Sag.


6. no planets appear to be entering/exiting phasis week before or after my birth, venus does station retro however.


7. the bound lord of the syzygy (I am assuming you are talking about decans)

Saturn





Seems to be a mix between Mercury/Jupiter


how would you choose between the two?
Reply With Quote
  #123  
Unread 09-09-2021, 03:36 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 72,642
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

Quote:
Originally Posted by sinhtheslumberingdragon View Post


Hi, JUPITERASC
I wanted to give a try in calculating this.
1. Ascendant sign, Jupiter in First house conj. Asc
2. Domicile lord is Mercury
3. Moon is in Virgo, domicile Lord is once again Mercury
4. in the 10th sign we find the sun and it is ruled by Jupiter
5. Lot of Fortune is ruled by Jupiter and found in Sag.
6. no planets appear to be entering/exiting phasis week before or after my birth, venus does station retro however.
7. the bound lord of the syzygy (I am assuming you are talking about decans)
Saturn
Seems to be a mix between Mercury/Jupiter
how would you choose between the two?


"...SYZYGY...”

refers to

Full or New Moon
directly preceding the natal

BOUND lord of SYZYGY is NOT the DECAN Lord

The BOUNDS are a system of dividing each zodiacal sign into 5 unequal regions
The regions are called BOUNDS or TERMS.
Each of the five bounds of a sign is ruled by one of the five planets

i.e.
the non-Lights.


Egyptian Bounds - some variation in ancient literature
in which bounds were of different lengths or ruled by different planets.
For instance, check out the different table of bounds at Altair astrology.

However, the so-called EGYPTIAN BOUNDS are independently attested in many ancient sources.

Additionally, the EGYPTIAN BOUNDS have been found in early horoscopes recovered by archaeologists

Using Bounds
The bound ruler of a planet or point, such as the Ascendant
has an influence over the nature of that planet or point.
The bound is link between the two.

SIGNS as the houses of the planets
and the BOUNDS are comparable to their rooms.

Additionally, the bounds are key
to certain predictive techniques in Hellenistic and Persian astrology.
For instance
the bound ruler of the directed Ascendant
an important time lord

THE DISTRIBUTOR.
You can find
a great set of charts of the various systems of bounds on the Altair Astrology site.



.
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #124  
Unread 09-09-2021, 04:14 PM
sinhtheslumberingdragon sinhtheslumberingdragon is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 90
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

Quote:
Originally Posted by JUPITERASC View Post
*





next planet equally important in overall rulership of a nativity
besides Oikodespotes
aka domicile master of the chart


is
KURIOS aka Lord of the nativity.

Kurios is the executor of the agenda
that Oikodespotes aka domicile master holds.

Determination of whether

SATURN SOLE DOMICILA RULER OF AQUARIUS may be Kurios
is determined from the following candidates

1. Ascendant sign.

Establish whether any planet(s) are in the Ascendant sign
AND bounds of the ascending degree.

2. Domicile Lord of Ascendant.

3. Moon and its Domicile Lord

4. Tenth sign from ascendant and its Domicile Lord

5. Lot of Fortune and its Domicile Lord.

6. Any planets that make phasis in the chart.

include planets that make a first or second station seven days

before
or
after

nativity.

7. The bound lord of the pre-natal lunation.


Kurios aka The Lord of the nativity
is determined using the above hierarchy
AND
is also fit to conduct its business



.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JUPITERASC View Post
"...SYZYGY...”

refers to

Full or New Moon
directly preceding the natal

BOUND lord of SYZYGY is NOT the DECAN Lord

The BOUNDS are a system of dividing each zodiacal sign into 5 unequal regions
The regions are called BOUNDS or TERMS.
Each of the five bounds of a sign is ruled by one of the five planets

i.e.
the non-Lights.


Egyptian Bounds - some variation in ancient literature
in which bounds were of different lengths or ruled by different planets.
For instance, check out the different table of bounds at Altair astrology.

However, the so-called EGYPTIAN BOUNDS are independently attested in many ancient sources.

Additionally, the EGYPTIAN BOUNDS have been found in early horoscopes recovered by archaeologists

Using Bounds
The bound ruler of a planet or point, such as the Ascendant
has an influence over the nature of that planet or point.
The bound is link between the two.

SIGNS as the houses of the planets
and the BOUNDS are comparable to their rooms.

Additionally, the bounds are key
to certain predictive techniques in Hellenistic and Persian astrology.
For instance
the bound ruler of the directed Ascendant
an important time lord

THE DISTRIBUTOR.
You can find
a great set of charts of the various systems of bounds on the Altair Astrology site.



.

JUPITERASC,


Thank you for clarifying on what you meant by "bound".


Recalculating:


1. Jupiter is on the Ascendant, and the bound lord of the Ascendant is Mercury



2. Ascendant is ruled by Mercury


3. The moon is in Virgo, Virgo is ruled by Mercury



4. 10th house is ruled by Saturn and contains Mercury


5. Lot of Fortune is found in the 7th house, in the domicile of Jupiter


6. No planets seem to make Phasis, however Venus does station retrograde



7. The prenatal lumination is found in the bounds of Jupiter


Again, it seems like a tie with Jupiter and Mercury.
Reply With Quote
  #125  
Unread 09-09-2021, 05:48 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 72,642
Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

Quote:
Originally Posted by sinhtheslumberingdragon View Post


JUPITERASC,
Thank you for clarifying on what you meant by "bound".
Recalculating:


1. Jupiter is on the Ascendant, and the bound lord of the Ascendant is Mercury
2. Ascendant is ruled by Mercury
3. The moon is in Virgo, Virgo is ruled by Mercury
4. 10th house is ruled by Saturn and contains Mercury
5. Lot of Fortune is found in the 7th house, in the domicile of Jupiter
6. No planets seem to make Phasis, however Venus does station retrograde
7. The prenatal lumination is found in the bounds of Jupiter
Again, it seems like a tie with Jupiter and Mercury.


Quote:

.....Kurios aka The Lord of the nativity
is determined using previously detailed hierarchy

AND THEN
IS ALSO
fit to conduct its business


so then decide WHICH of these two candidate planets
is most fit to conduct its business

while
keeping in mind the
two separate approaches
for the determination of the Lord of the Nativity being:

Approach One:
The Lord of the Nativity is the domicile lord of the Midheaven IF this planet is angular.

If it is NOT ANGULAR then:

The Lord of the Nativity is a planet in the Midheaven/10th house.

If no planet in the Midheaven then
The Lord of the Natavity is a planet in the 11th house


the other Approach already detailed

.
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
aquarius, domicile, ruler, saturn, sole

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT. The time now is 11:58 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2005-2018, AstrologyWeekly.com. Boards' structure and all posts are property of AstrologyWeekly.com and their respective creators. No part of the messages sent on these boards may be copied without their owners' explicit consent.