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What would a major and mainstream Uranian religion be like during the Aquarian Age, compared to current religions?

I'm wondering if religion will even be a thing.

If so, probably "Goddess" instead of "God".

Or, maybe one of each! (11->1+1=2)

Partnership and Gender equality.
Astrology. No need for a god head.

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When I think of a uranian type mainstream religion thats been around for many years, I think of Unitarian Church.



I went once or twice in my late 20s dragged my husband (relucant) along and he agreed because his bff at that time, his bro in law and sister went with us.


I recall purchasing the small book (teeny-tiny) one of the "all the rage then" Krishnamurti. Strangely for sure, I still have it called "At the Feet of the Master" signed Alcoyne. Preface by Annie Besant written in re-printed 1974. This of course decades before his very public fall from grace. (the higher we put humans, the further down they seem to fall albeit, DJT for example)


Anyway, we are sitting in a pew awaiting their guest speaker I wanted to see then. I did notice my husband & his bro in law Marty (Aries Sun Sagittarius Moon), got up and left together, taking note but thinking nothing of it for them. They ARE/were born practical jokers!


When the collection plate came around, who passed on a long stick the baskets but Marty & my husband (hilarious), but at that time, sort of embarrassing too. Apparently, they were asked earlier on out in the vestibule and agreed.


Since marrying now almost 50 yrs ago, we don't go to churches, but IF a Unitarian church were nearer to me, I'd go again just to see if or how they've changed.
There is one perhaps 10 miles away from here. In all about 3 or 4 in Phoenix area - which is a huge area east & west of downtown.
ALL are closed now in person, doing "online" stuff -



https://www.unityofmesa.org/sunday-services.html



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Unitarians have a good "nose" for the spiritual, like they can find it in all people and definitely in the arts, they always have good events. Maybe that is the Saturn connection to Uranus, where they find the shared form but strip away the heavy structures (or strictures) that bind in specific order. Which is interesting - I'd thought of that particular ability as being more Piscean.
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When I think of a uranian type mainstream religion thats been around for many years, I think of Unitarian Church.



I went once or twice in my late 20s dragged my husband (relucant) along and he agreed because his bff at that time, his bro in law and sister went with us.


I recall purchasing the small book (teeny-tiny) one of the "all the rage then" Krishnamurti. Strangely for sure, I still have it called "At the Feet of the Master" signed Alcoyne. Preface by Annie Besant written in re-printed 1974. This of course decades before his very public fall from grace. (the higher we put humans, the further down they seem to fall albeit, DJT for example)


Anyway, we are sitting in a pew awaiting their guest speaker I wanted to see then. I did notice my husband & his bro in law Marty (Aries Sun Sagittarius Moon), got up and left together, taking note but thinking nothing of it for them. They ARE/were born practical jokers!


When the collection plate came around, who passed on a long stick the baskets but Marty & my husband (hilarious), but at that time, sort of embarrassing too. Apparently, they were asked earlier on out in the vestibule and agreed.


Since marrying now almost 50 yrs ago, we don't go to churches, but IF a Unitarian church were nearer to me, I'd go again just to see if or how they've changed.
There is one perhaps 10 miles away from here. In all about 3 or 4 in Phoenix area - which is a huge area east & west of downtown.
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https://www.unityofmesa.org/sunday-services.html



https://www.unityofmesa.org/sunday-services.html

What was Krishnamurti's "fall from grace"?
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Krishnamurti's best friend in this country his constant companion was someone named Gopal. Behind Gopal's back he was dating his wife (Rosalind) , and eventually after a few years made her pregnant. He would not marry her btw.


The daughter of Gopal (if I spell his name correctly), is of course a middle aged woman by now and has spoken out about that affair.



Perhaps another who was terribly hurt by Krishna's behavior and two-faces would be the Quantum physicist, David Bohm, who idolized Krishna.



Have you seen the condition of Krishna's 5th house of love affairs?


https://www.astro.com/astro-databank...namurti,_Jiddu


Those we make idols, when they fall, they crash -



In the case of David Bohm, he was fragile and vulnerable, having been to psychologists for many years and starting to trust again.



I'll see if I can find my notes I once kept, because this is a new computer and everything is not where I expect.
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I would think there are many of the interactions / discussions that Dr. Bohm and Jiddu K had together (philosophical ones about physics & Jiddu's viewpoint) online or YouTube.



But this is an excellent link for telling it like it was behind the scenes:


http://strippingthegurus.com/stgsamp...shnamurti.html




How and why Bohm became interested in speaking to him:
https://dbohm.com/bohm-krishnamurti-timeline/


It now comes back to me, it was a tough childhood for David Bohm, but particularly so because of a lack of a father figure. I think his father was very hard on him. ......so perhaps he personally looked up to Jiddu K as replacement father figure they said when the sh-- hit the fan and became public.


His personal life after moving to Ojai:
Rosalind developed close ties with the brothers, and sometime after her 1927 marriage to their fellow Indian associate D. Rajagopal, she and Krishnamurti began a long-term romantic relationship. This became a source of controversy when it was publicly revealed in the 1991 book Lives in the Shadow with J. Krishnamurti , written by her daughter Radha Rajagopal Sloss.


The indictment of the guru:


https://medium.com/age-of-awareness/...r-413b29a76999



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He abandoned his father, he used Annie Besant and then ditched her, he insisted his brother shouldn’t marry Rosalind and then slept with her himself, he insisted his girlfriend Helen shouldn’t be a violinist but should instead dedicate herself to his life; he opposed the marriage of Rosalind to Rajagopal, then secretly took her as his mistress; he demanded his best friend Lady Emily Lutyens bin her adoring biography of him the week before it went to press; he bullied and criticized his followers; he drove David Bohm to a nervous breakdown; he demoralized the headmasters of his various schools through his interference. And he ruined the lives of his two closest associates — Rajagopal and Rosalind — with two decades of law suits.
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What was Krishnamurti's "fall from grace"?



so the above two posts are the "gist of it"


I still can't find my old notes



Lots of this scandal is online now.



Raja-Gopal, his wife Rosalind, their daughter's book - the truth about David Bohm's heartbreak learning about Krishna wasn't what he purported to be ...(or more accurately what Bohm wanted him to be )
The abortion of Rosalind and so on........


About David Bohm: (my favorite scientist) SEE NATAL CHART on link -



https://www.astrowow.com/blog/two-sc...and-astrology/


,,," Bohm developed with his ideas of Implicate and Explicate reality. When Bohm moved to Bristol his wife showed him a book by Krishnamurti which described the interconnectedness between the observer and the observed – which astonished him because of the parallels with quantum theory. This stimulated Bohm’s curiosity, and subsequently he and Krishnamurti became friends and had long discussions about the nature of reality. The idea of Implicate and Explicate order is a theory which bridges the gap between Relativity and Quantum theory. It is very similar to the Buddhist concept of Absolute and Relative reality. To know Absolute reality is to consider all phenomena as dream images conjured up by individual consciousness. It is a state when the mind is at rest whilst the world is at play. Relative reality is the normal state of consciousness when there is an identification with “I, me and myself”.
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Aqua rising!

I have listened to audio recording of his discourse Truth is a Pathless Land. Did not sound like a guy who wanted to be pedestalized.
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What I got from Krishnamurti, whom I met in person in 1968, was that, (in my own words), meditation and various disciplines and practices are fine, if one enjoys them, but they won't lead to Enlightenment.

He seemed perfectly comfortable with being a flawed human being, and in the one lecture of his I attended (at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium), he said his own greatest flaw was thriving on "negative energy". He must have gotten a lot of satisfaction from his "Fall from Grace"!

He had a VERY keen intellect, which I could literally feel emanating from him. No way to effectively argue with him about anything on an intellectual level, but I felt that he was lacking on the emotional level.

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Aqua rising!

I have listened to audio recording of his discourse Truth is a Pathless Land. Did not sound like a guy who wanted to be pedestalized.

No question about it, as David points out, he was VERY intelligent, and knew how to use his intelligence to get what he wanted. Quite manipulative too on the other hand. But of course, none of us are perfect at this stage.
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No question about it, as David points out, he was VERY intelligent, and knew how to use his intelligence to get what he wanted. Quite manipulative too on the other hand. But of course, none of us are perfect at this stage.
He didn't claim to be perfect.

His most elevated planet was in Scorpio in H9, close-square his Asc in Aquarius, opposite Sun in Taurus exact-square his Ascendant.

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Paramahansa Yogananda was saintly!
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He didn't claim to be perfect.

His most elevated planet was in Scorpio in H9, close-square his Asc in Aquarius, opposite Sun in Taurus exact-square his Ascendant.

He still claimed he was enlightened, and so ‘unconditioned’ that he couldn’t remember his past. This is very unlikely. Helen Knothe, his first ‘girlfriend’, says: ‘He was conditioned and affected every second of his life, just as everyone else was and is’. Perhaps he didn’t want to remember his past because it was traumatic.





Radha Sloss, Rosalind’s daughter, writes:
on one hand, Krishna was declaring that there should be no authority; yet on the other he had insistently and dramatically portrayed his own new condition as being united ‘with the flame’ and having the ‘vision of the mountain top’, which seemed to place him in a position of ultimate authority, nor did he specifically deny that he was the world teacher.



Funny! Depends on who is doing the telling I guess
he said " All that I have written is absolutely genuine and profound’ — in other words, he really was the World Teacher, not just the vehicle. His brother also insisted Rosalind had a vision, in which she saw a star descend on Krishna, before she fainted. Rosalind herself later said she merely fell asleep and ‘did not feel anything remarkable had happened’.


Perhaps Rosalind was bored!



Krishnamurti (1969) himself put it, in openly proclaiming his status as World Teacher:
I have become one with the Beloved. I have been made simple. I have become glorified because of Him.
[Krishnamurti] maintained that his consciousness was merged with his beloved, by which he meant all of creation (Sloss, 2000).

???????????(what is this? a Hallucination?) After all, he lived a contradictory life from his utterings - Many were able to see this.

quote " Shortly before his death the Indian teacher had declared that no one had ever truly understood his teaching; no one besides himself had experienced transformation " (Peat, 1997).

, the Theosophical Society’s short-lived programme for global spiritual upliftment under a chosen woman after the “World Teacher” plans for Krishnamurti had fallen through], he blurted out, “Oh, that was all cooked u—” before he caught himself in the realization that he was admitting to a recollection of events in his early life which he later came to deny he possessed (Sloss, 2000)

can we see this trait that others saw in his natal chart?
[Emily Lutyens] said she knew Krishna was a congenital liar but that she would nevertheless always adore him....
My mother asked him once why he lied and he replied with astonishing frankness, “Because of fear” (Sloss, 2000).
“I have no ego!” he said. “Who do you think you are, to talk to me like this?” (Sloss, 2000).

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Paramahansa Yogananda was saintly!

Yukestwar his teacher/guru either told him (or another astrologer did, I can't recall now), that he'd have issues in life with sexual liaisons. (House 5 in this chart) but he obviously worked on himself, to overcome any kind of irritable aspects to the betterment unlike Krishanmurti.



Yes all in all, I'd agree with the pronouncement of Yogananda as a sainted person.



Paramahansa Yogananda quotes


"The season of failure is the best time for sowing the seeds of success."


"There are always two forces warring against each other within us."


"Careless indifference and bodily restlessness in meditation cause negative vibrations."


"Truth is exact correspondence with reality."



https://www.astro.com/astro-databank...a,_Paramahansa
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Krishnamurti was irritating ON PURPOSE, and very good at it!

Reminds me of a meme J.A. once posted: "If I haven't annoyed you yet, please be patient."

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The Uranian religion will be the one in which everyone is plugged into the matrix

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Apps, did you watch Stargate SG 1 when it was on tv?
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I've never seen it. Why?
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I've never seen it. Why?
It's worth watching for entertainment purposes. And, it's a lot about "Ascension", which may become the religion of the Aquarian Age.
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It's worth watching for entertainment purposes. And, it's a lot about "Ascension", which may become the religion of the Aquarian Age.
Perhaps I'll check it out while I eat dinner
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Krishnamurti was irritating ON PURPOSE, and very good at it!

Reminds me of a meme J.A. once posted: "If I haven't annoyed you yet, please be patient."

What in the world could that purpose have been? Especially knowing he was hurting people in his delivery.


One might say the same of Trump. No?
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Seeing what happened with Covid and the great reset BS I don't think the age of Aquarius will be so free instead it might be an age of technological dictatorships. Look at China. Btw the old ruler of Aquarius is saturn
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Seeing what happened with Covid and the great reset BS I don't think the age of Aquarius will be so free instead it might be an age of technological dictatorships. Look at China. Btw the old ruler of Aquarius is saturn

As for the Domicile-ruler of Aquarius, that was then, this is now and in the future. The approach of the Aquarian Age is beginning to make a few changes, as one might expect.

If one wants to use the antiquated rulerships, that's fine. But it doesn't apply to the Modern-day astrological Ages, which weren't included in Western astrology until the early 1900's, and still aren't really a consideration in Vedic.

The "Great Reset" is about deliberately restructuring and reinforcing the Past, as the word suggests, not about the Future, Aquarian Age changes. Those will occur naturally and inevitably, as the actual beginning of the Age comes closer.

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Looking back, the first real benchmark for the DAWNING of the Aquarian Age was the discovery of its ruling planet. Then, it's about a 5 degree period of transition, until the new Age takes full effect.

Just as the Sun remains below the horizon during its dawning period, prior to the "break of dawn".
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