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Well in vedic astrology, the nodes are very important. They have a myth about it as well. I fuse the two together. Think of me as a tropical vedic astrologer.

If you do watch her videos, she does have content that are meaningful. In regards to the nodes, she says that people who have nakshatras (moon, sun ascendent) that is ruled by the north and south node(Rahu and ketu) and who have rahu and ketu in the first or second house (in vedic astrology, the face is ruled by the second house).

She says that rahu dominant women-they have huge eyes that are electrifying, their look is almost dark and hypnotizing.

South node women have big eyes but they seem more innocent but gothic in a way. They also seem to have huge lips. They are almost always portrayed in gothic horror movies. And their looks are dark. If they are of european descent in other words white, they tend to have darkest possible hair colour and the contrast is gerogeous(like snow white). If they are not white, they tend to have darker skin tones.

Venus dominant women (remember those with nakshatras ruled by venus and or venus in first house or second-usually a combination of two) have almond but big eyes. Cat eyes.

Moon and sun dominant women have narrower eyes. Sun women are pretty and regal with narrow eyes, a squarish or large jaw, good bone struture. Eg most of taurus is Krithika-ruled by the sun. Tauruses are said to have square jaw lines. Think katherine hepburn.

Moon dominant women are very feminine. They tend to be fleshy but not the fattest kind. They also have narrow eyes, have a medium height and are very feminine.

Mercury women are pixie like. Small, dainty and skinny with pretty and seductive features. Women are usually jealous of them when they are younger because if they happen to be pretty, they are also cunning and seductive.

Mars women are very sexy. They typically have beautiful bodies that they love to show off. What I've seen is that if they are white and have blonde hair in their gene pool, they tend to look like Anna nicole smiths and kate uptons of the world. And these two actually do look very similar.

Anyways, they obviously don't use pluto or neptune or uranus. And there are no nakshatra that rules these planets. I'd say check her out. Some of her nakshatra portions in her website have look a likes so she's definitely coming from somewhere.

I'll admit she's closed minded to infuse western astrology techniques and planets to her research but that's just what she's used to.
It makes a lot of sense. I wonder if she could guess my appearance, if I gave her my chart. :P I am Mercury/Sun dominant.

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It makes a lot of sense. I wonder if she could guess my appearance, if I gave her my chart. :P I am Mercury/Sun dominant.
Do you know your nakshatra placements? If you give me the degrees of your sun, moon and ascendent I can tell you your nakshatras. And trust me they help in understanding yourself.
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Animatrix, good luck to you in this very worthy line of study. I think you'll be interested in my two pages on rising signs:
The first is descriptions of each rising sign with some physical characteristics:
http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/rising-signs/

The second (linked there) gives celebrity examples:
https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/rising-signs-2/
Each individual has been verified through chart validation (rectification) by me or another expert.

I have also gathered planet/Asc examples and plan to add another examples page for that. Your thread here has reminded me to do that.
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Animatrix, good luck to you in this very worthy line of study. I think you'll be interested in my two pages on rising signs:
The first is descriptions of each rising sign with some physical characteristics:
http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/rising-signs/

The second (linked there) gives celebrity examples:
https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/rising-signs-2/
Each individual has been verified through chart validation (rectification) by me or another expert.

I have also gathered planet/Asc examples and plan to add another examples page for that. Your thread here has reminded me to do that.
It's very interesting but I disagree with Martin Luther King Jr being Aries ascendant, look his face, it is very Taurean and his Eyes are a Little sleepy - he was a very "sensual" person, with sex scandals.

It's incredibly difficult to guess the ascendant because sometimes the Sun sign is very dominant.

There are other mistakes there; Angelina Jolie is by no means Leo Rising - she is Cancer Rising, and I'm 100% sure of that. Johnny Depp though looks very much Leo.

One way to guess the ascendant/sun is to look out for animal characteristics. Each sign (with the exception of Libra and Aquarius) do often possess the features of an animal. Aries will resemble the ram, with a sheep-like look, yet very handsome. Taurus looks bull-like or cow-like, Gemini = dog like features, Cancer = crab like features; peculiar gait, broad bodies, thin arms, a sort of primitive look, Leo is easiest to spot, because the lion-like features are often very marked; see Arnold Schwarzenegger for example. Virgo has fox-like features, with cunning Eyes, Scorpio looks primitive, Sagittarius horse-like, Capricorn goat-like and Pisces usually have something fishy about them, like an animated human fish.
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It's very interesting but I disagree with Martin Luther King Jr being Aries ascendant, look his face, it is very Taurean and his Eyes are a Little sleepy - he was a very "sensual" person, with sex scandals.
Dr King's Asc was contra-parallel Venus and Moon, which affected his appearance and personality. Planets are stronger than signs. It is easy to disagree on first reaction, but I've verified his chart meticulously.

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There are other mistakes there; Angelina Jolie is by no means Leo Rising - she is Cancer Rising, and I'm 100% sure of that.
Check again, but look more deeply into her chart this time. Her chart is a very good example of internal chart rectifying metrics (progression of Uranus/ruler of 7th to natal Sun/ruler of 1st, which I explained on the Horoscope Detective's radio show). Take longer to study the power of planets and the declinations factors. She has Neptune in aspect to her correct Asc, which is a water factor.

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One way to guess the ascendant/sun is to look out for animal characteristics. Each sign (with the exception of Libra and Aquarius) do often possess the features of an animal.
This is the basic stereotype level about signs that I eschew. I address it on that page. What I do goes deeper than these stereotypes. Take a look at my main rising sign page. Planets are always more influential when the aspects are there and modify the personality and even physical features from what can be expected based on sign alone.

You're on the right track in many things you've stated earlier and in the examples you've used, but over-estimate your level of understanding. Include the declinations -- parallels and contra-parallels are far too often omitted, keeping many charts from being tightened up accurately.
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Dr King's Asc was contra-parallel Venus and Moon, which affected his appearance and personality. Planets are stronger than signs. It is easy to disagree on first reaction, but I've verified his chart meticulously.



Check again, but look more deeply into her chart this time. Her chart is a very good example of internal chart rectifying metrics (progression of Uranus/ruler of 7th to natal Sun/ruler of 1st, which I explained on the Horoscope Detective's radio show). Take longer to study the power of planets and the declinations factors. She has Neptune in aspect to her correct Asc, which is a water factor.



This is the basic stereotype level about signs that I eschew. I address it on that page. What I do goes deeper than these stereotypes. Take a look at my main rising sign page. Planets are always more influential when the aspects are there and modify the personality and even physical features from what can be expected based on sign alone.

You're on the right track in many things you've stated earlier and in the examples you've used, but over-estimate your level of understanding. Include the declinations -- parallels and contra-parallels are far too often omitted, keeping many charts from being tightened up accurately.
With all due respect, Angelina Jolie is not Leo rising! I don't believe that. And she is an obvious Venus conjunct ascendant-person.

But I agree that planets and its aspects often are more important than the signs. But Angelina Jolie has Venus conjunct ascendant, I insist on that. She moves like a Cancer, she has that broad body but with thin arms, she is cancer rising!!!! Please show me proof that she is Leo. And I see literally nothing Aries in Martin Luther King. Nothing at all, he looks very Taurean.

But I admit that my knowledge is quite limited! I am only good at seeing Pluto on the Sun/asc

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Dr King's Asc was contra-parallel Venus and Moon, which affected his appearance and personality. Planets are stronger than signs. It is easy to disagree on first reaction, but I've verified his chart meticulously.



Check again, but look more deeply into her chart this time. Her chart is a very good example of internal chart rectifying metrics (progression of Uranus/ruler of 7th to natal Sun/ruler of 1st, which I explained on the Horoscope Detective's radio show). Take longer to study the power of planets and the declinations factors. She has Neptune in aspect to her correct Asc, which is a water factor.



This is the basic stereotype level about signs that I eschew. I address it on that page. What I do goes deeper than these stereotypes. Take a look at my main rising sign page. Planets are always more influential when the aspects are there and modify the personality and even physical features from what can be expected based on sign alone.

You're on the right track in many things you've stated earlier and in the examples you've used, but over-estimate your level of understanding. Include the declinations -- parallels and contra-parallels are far too often omitted, keeping many charts from being tightened up accurately.
Is contraparallel opposition and parralel conjunction? And from your opinion, sun, ascendent, moon or chart ruler, what influences the appearances more? Does it matter what time of the day the person was born? I heard from someone that night time people resemble their moon and sun more. And you say the planets in aspect to the ascendent matter more? How big do the orbs have to be and what aspects? Only hard aspects or only conjunction or easy aspects do as well?

Sorry I know it's a lot of questions.
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With all due respect, Angelina Jolie is not Leo rising! I don't believe that. And she is an obvious Venus conjunct ascendant-person.

But I agree that planets and its aspects often are more important than the signs. But Angelina Jolie has Venus conjunct ascendant, I insist on that. She moves like a Cancer, she has that broad body but with thin arms, she is cancer rising!!!! Please show me proof that she is Leo. And I see literally nothing Aries in Martin Luther King. Nothing at all, he looks very Taurean.

But I admit that my knowledge is quite limited! I am only good at seeing Pluto on the Sun/asc
You are definitely right about angelina jolie. But martin luther king seems to have a very cardinal face to me with his round face and almond eyes. But you are right his eyes do look sleepy.

A taurean face pertaining to his racial background would be Chris Brown.
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You are definitely right about angelina jolie. But martin luther king seems to have a very cardinal face to me with his round face and almond eyes. But you are right his eyes do look sleepy.

A taurean face pertaining to his racial background would be Chris Brown.
Yes he looks very bull-like:
I don't see that natural exuberance of energy and confidence as Aries rising people have in him. He was a very sensual person as well, actually involved in a lot of sex scandals.
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Yes he looks very bull-like:
I don't see that natural exuberance of energy and confidence as Aries rising people have in him. He was a very sensual person as well, actually involved in a lot of sex scandals.
I totally see what you mean actually but he may be right about the venus aspecting his ascendent. The thing is he has a very cardinal face and the almond eyes is usually exclusive to libra, aries and capricorn although cancers may have bigger eyes. The cardinal signs tend to have round to oval faces. Capricorns however tend to have foxy appearances with amazing bone structures. They look cold. Aries and Libras both have a little more oval face with almond eyes, although libras look more friendlier and tend to have a little bigger eyes and maybe some dimples than their aries counterpart.

I believe the mutable signs have a longer face, more oval.


I do however have a hard time differentiating tauruses and scorpios. They both tend to have a squarish face. I guess the nose gives it away? Anyways, try and look at leonardo divinci. He is a moon, and ascendent in libra. He was born at night time and he also has pluto conjunct ascendent. His facial structure seems to be between oval and square and his eyes give off a libra vibe. He has a very libran way, and look about him but there is still an intensity that is exclusive to pluto. He is like the perfect blend of libra and scorpio and as he is getting older, I think his pluto is more prevelant.


However, astrotheme says he is a taurus ascendent so I'm soo confused right now. lol

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Yes he looks very bull-like:
I don't see that natural exuberance of energy and confidence as Aries rising people have in him. He was a very sensual person as well, actually involved in a lot of sex scandals.
Well in that case, his face is explained by capricorn sun, a cardinal sign and his sleepy eyes -but not bovine eyes is explained by taurus ascendent. Also he was born in the day time, so it explains why he looks more like a capricorn than any other sign.
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I totally see what you mean actually but he may be right about the venus aspecting his ascendent. The thing is he has a very cardinal face and the almond eyes is usually exclusive to libra, aries and capricorn although cancers may have bigger eyes. The cardinal signs tend to have round to oval faces. Capricorns however tend to have foxy appearances with amazing bone structures. They look cold. Aries and Libras both have a little more oval face with almond eyes, although libras look more friendlier and tend to have a little bigger eyes and maybe some dimples than their aries counterpart.

I believe the mutable signs have a longer face, more oval.


I do however have a hard time differentiating tauruses and scorpios. They both tend to have a squarish face. I guess the nose gives it away? Anyways, try and look at leonardo divinci. He is a moon, and ascendent in libra. He was born at night time and he also has pluto conjunct ascendent. His facial structure seems to be between oval and square and his eyes give off a libra vibe. He has a very libran way, and look about him but there is still an intensity that is exclusive to pluto. He is like the perfect blend of libra and scorpio and as he is getting older, I think his pluto is more prevelant.


However, astrotheme says he is a taurus ascendent so I'm soo confused right now. But then again, race needs to be taken account of. I've only been analyzing caucasian features and celebrities. What is the average face shape of different ethnicities? lol
I've never seen foxy appearance in a Capricorn, only in Virgo and sometimes in Aquarius, slightly. Mercury tends to give off this dog-like features. Gemini (Mercury) has dog-like features, sometimes very striking. Virgo is the fox, and Aquarius (Uranus - the higher octave) tend to be more human, but sometimes, sometimes, they do have something foxy about them. Aries often has ram-like features. Aries men are extremely handsome. Just look at Anderson Silva - i don't know his ascendant since birth time is unknown, but he got striking ram-like features. He looks good especially in the octagon (he is a MMA-fighter). And this is what is so hard, because Sun, Moon and ascendant all influence the appearance (the moon in females) and sometimes I mistake people for a particular sign, but then they have that sign as ascendant or moon, or I mistake their ascendant when it is in fact the Sun. When I first saw Errol Flynn I thought; "He is Aries!" yet he has Aries ascendant, and when I look closer I can see the mix of the gemini/aries, and I thought Ingrid Bergman was Aries too - she got Aries Moon.

So it must be extremely difficult to guess the ascendant and the moon and the sun by looking at the appearance. I have seen one astrologer who could tell people's sun signs right away. It was very impressive. But he said that he looked at body language, and not appearance, and that makes sense since Sun ought to be the major factor in body language.

Edit: Sometimes Aquarius got some features from a dog-like creature, maybe another type of animal that is in the same family as the dog and the fox. Dno. But it is very interesting because, if you look at the typical Gemini, they are usually a little like dogs, or should we say that dogs are like geminis? Playful, curious, no focus, fun-loving and Virgo (analytical, cunning, discriminative and cautious) are like foxes, foxes are very much so as animals.

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I've never seen foxy appearance in a Capricorn, only in Virgo and sometimes in Aquarius, slightly. Mercury tends to give off this dog-like features. Gemini (Mercury) has dog-like features, sometimes very striking. Virgo is the fox, and Aquarius (Uranus - the higher octave) tend to be more human, but sometimes, sometimes, they do have something foxy about them. Aries often has ram-like features. Aries men are extremely handsome. Just look at Anderson Silva - i don't know his ascendant since birth time is unknown, but he got striking ram-like features. He looks good especially in the octagon (he is a MMA-fighter). And this is what is so hard, because Sun, Moon and ascendant all influence the appearance (the moon in females) and sometimes I mistake people for a particular sign, but then they have that sign as ascendant or moon, or I mistake their ascendant when it is in fact the Sun. When I first saw Errol Flynn I thought; "He is Aries!" yet he has Aries ascendant, and when I look closer I can see the mix of the gemini/aries, and I thought Ingrid Bergman was Aries too - she got Aries Moon.

So it must be extremely difficult to guess the ascendant and the moon and the sun by looking at the appearance. I have seen one astrologer who could tell people's sun signs right away. It was very impressive. But he said that he looked at body language, and not appearance, and that makes sense since Sun ought to be the major factor in body language.

Edit: Sometimes Aquarius got some features from a dog-like creature, maybe another type of animal that is in the same family as the dog and the fox. Dno. But it is very interesting because, if you look at the typical Gemini, they are usually a little like dogs, or should we say that dogs are like geminis? Playful, curious, no focus, fun-loving and Virgo (analytical, cunning, discriminative and cautious) are like foxes, foxes are very much so as animals.
Sorry foxy isn't really the right word. Very structured, striking appearance. I used to think capricorns were the scorpios. They have a very captivating look. They have the cheek bones. Sorry my usage of adjectives is not good. I'm kind of tired I believe.

Virgos do look like foxes. Michelle Williams definitely does.
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Here is Che Guevara, Aries ascendant and Gemini Sun:


His eyes are confident, and he doesn't look like he is deep and brooding. Martin Luther King has this calm,earthy and deep gaze.

Aries is not a deep and thinking sign, so they should look energetic and "happy" in some way.

Another picture of Che Guevara, extremely confident-looking man: http://www.history.com/s3static/vide...0113_00_HD.jpg
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Here is Che Guevara, Aries ascendant and Gemini Sun:


His eyes are confident, and he doesn't look like he is deep and brooding. Martin Luther King has this calm,earthy and deep gaze.

Aries is not a deep and thinking sign, so they should look energetic and "happy" in some way.

Another picture of Che Guevara, extremely confident-looking man: http://www.history.com/s3static/vide...0113_00_HD.jpg
No you're definitely right. I think his eyes resemble capricorn and maybe even taurus ascendent.
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Sorry foxy isn't really the right word. Very structured, striking appearance. I used to think capricorns were the scorpios. They have a very captivating look. They have the cheek bones. Sorry my usage of adjectives is not good. I'm kind of tired I believe.

Virgos do look like foxes. Michelle Williams definitely does.
The bone structure in capricorn is classic, they do have the best, no doubt. Sometimes Venus in Capricorn can give a very beautfiul bone structure.

Cameron Diaz is another Virgo with a very striking foxy appearance. Though I think those animal features plays out strongest with the Sun, and not the ascendant. I don't think I have seen a foxy looking person with a Virgo ascendant yet a different sun sign. Virgo ascendant people just look modest in some way, or they look like they are geeks, or librarians, intellectuals etc.
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No you're definitely right. I think his eyes resemble capricorn and maybe even taurus ascendent.
Let's compare him to Capricorn Suns/Aries asc.

Jeremy Renner (Cap Sun Aries Asc):

Jon Voight:



All these three men got Sun in Capricorn + Aries ascendant. They all look strong, confident.

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(Sun Cap Asc Aries)

Compared to these Martin Luther King Jr looks way different. No resemblance at all, no martian self-confidence or energy, no nothing. He is Taurus ascendant, case closed.

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Just look at Henry Miller's face! The goat/ram-like features are so striking it's sick! Very handsome man. Just like in nature, plant-eating features are more majestetic than carnivores/omnivores. There is this purity and strength about them that is so attractive.
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Just look at Henry Miller's face! The goat/ram-like features are so striking it's sick! Very handsome man. Just like in nature, plant-eating features are more majestetic than carnivores/omnivores. There is this purity and strength about them that is so attractive.
You're right actually. I see what you're trying to say.
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I have Jupiter sextile ascendant, Saturn opposition ascendant and sextile sun. So, are we close with Christopher Lee? And i red everything on this topic yesterday, especially about leo looking people or fox looking people. Today I saw a girl who looked like a fox. Just like Putin who looks also like a fox. I mean, when I saw that girl, I thought back about this topic and was like wow.

Could you tell by my birth chart in details how you think I look like?
I'll do it and lol this comment made me laugh for some reason
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Just look at Henry Miller's face! The goat/ram-like features are so striking it's sick! Very handsome man. Just like in nature, plant-eating features are more majestetic than carnivores/omnivores. There is this purity and strength about them that is so attractive.
Hey I wanted to comment on the appearance of Scorpio. Elizabeth Taylor does not look like a Pisces. Her moon is in Scorpio and she was born at night time. Neither does she have sun with Pluto. She looks like a Scorpio.
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Hey I wanted to comment on the appearance of Scorpio. Elizabeth Taylor does not look like a Pisces. Her moon is in Scorpio and she was born at night time. Neither does she have sun with Pluto. She looks like a Scorpio.
So moon is an important factor for a woman's physical appearance?
I agree though, I always thought Elizabeth Taylor had some Scorpio influence somewhere in her chart-- or that she was a Scorp rising. She really looks striking.

What would a woman with Aquarius Moon look like?
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So moon is an important factor for a woman's physical appearance?
I agree though, I always thought Elizabeth Taylor had some Scorpio influence somewhere in her chart-- or that she was a Scorp rising. She really looks striking.

What would a woman with Aquarius Moon look like?
I think the moon is only important when it comes to appearance if she's born at night.
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I think the moon is only important when it comes to appearance if she's born at night.
I'm honestly not great at mutable signs.
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