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what is traditional astrology?
dr. farr - thankyou - you have studied astrology for more than fifty yearsFor ME (that is, in my opinion) Traditional Astrology is the sum total of underlying concepts, definitions, delineative and predictive methods and techniques, taken originally from Greco-Roman Classical Period astrology, then modified and developed by astrologers in the Middle East and Europe during the Arabic Transitional Period and the European Medieval, Renaissance and Reformation periods, culminating during the late 17th/early 18th centuries, and revived by contemporary enthusiasts and practitioners who discovered and adopted (their understanding of this) Tradition, beginning in the early 1980's and continuing through to the present time.
In my opinion, the fundamental elements of this Tradition include the Tropical Zodiac of 12 signs, the 12 houses, the recognition and delineative meanings and predictive indications of the 7 planets and 2 Lunar nodes, and the stars, known to the science of astronomy prior to March 13, 1781, all within the framework of geocentric astronomy.
for informed definition as well as traditional astrological discussion and practicewhat is traditional astrology?
Check out this one: http://theastrologydictionary.com/t/traditional-astrology/what is traditional astrology?
what is traditional astrology?
And so my opinion doesn't mean anything?
FREE ONLINE TRADITIONAL TEXTS
ON THE WEB http://www.skyscript.co.uk/texts.html
There are five collections in this library.
- The main collection contains links to books and magazines written in English that are directly related to 'traditional astrology' (from classical to modern times).
- The extended collection refers to texts that are partly astrological or useful for historical research or philosophical principles.
- The ancient collection contains links to ancient texts, fragments, or secondary sources that cover the ancient period.
- The scholar's collection contains links to published theses, dissertations, and peer-reviewed papers.
- The Latin & Greek collection contains links to important works in older languages
dr. farr you have an "eclectic" approach that combines Vedic with ancient and modern astrologyFrom my perspective there are several books in the above mentioned lists which I disagree as representing Traditionalist astrology and which I consider to represent the initial stirrings of the Modernist astrological outlook:
-Bullinger's works ("Witness of the Stars")
Kepler's "Harmonie"
Raphael's works
Sibley's works
Zadkeil's works
Regarding Morin de Villefrance, I think his great opus (Astrologica Gallica) represents a significant modification of prior Traditionalist concepts, definitions and practices, and while not being exactly a break with Traditional, Morin's works represent a first influx of a new astrological perception, thereby opening the way for the gradual advent and rise of Modernist astrology (which started around the middle years of the 1800's particularly in England and in the USA)
what is traditional astrology?
For Traditional Medieval & Ancient Wisdom texts
check out traditional astrologer BENJAMIN DYKES
https://www.bendykes.com/
BENJAMIN DYKES translations from Arabic and Greek
are available at https://www.bendykes.com/product-category/introductions/
No, your opinion counts and does mean something.
Ptolemy did not create the zodiac used in Western astrology; however he suggested that it be a zodiac of SIGNS, rather than a zodiac of constellations; this suggestion became the basis for Greco-Roman astrology during the Classical Period, and subsequently in the West, both in Traditional and Modern Western astrology. There is, however, substantial evidence that Greco-Roman astrology PRIOR to Ptolemy, was looking at the zodiac as one of signs rather than as one of constellations.
I tend to agree with you that, as a generalization, the ascendant is given more relative importance in Traditional, than the Sun sign; however I must add that the spirit of Sol Invictus has permeated Traditional astrology to a great extent, and I would have to say that in my opinion, the Sun has been accorded much greater importance in Traditional astrology than in Modernist astrology (the sun-sign issue aside)
Planetary dignity (domicile, exaltation, detriment, fall) receives equal importance in Modernist astrological delineation as it does in Traditional astrology; however, more attention to the totality of dignities and detriments (combined essential and accidental) is given in Modernist astrology, whereas more of a division into essential and accidental is emphasized in Traditional astrology, which (in my opinion) continues to give emphasis to essential dignities and detriments over the accidentals.
I would disagree with the statement that Traditional astrology is "deeper" than Modernist astrology: some of the most philosophical/metaphysical works I have read vis-a-vis astrology, have come from authors of the Modernist approach. I do agree that Traditional pays a great deal of attention to the old time astrological books, which, of course, together form the elucidation of the basic principles and interpretations underlying the revived, contemporary Traditionalist movement.
Babylonians and Mesopotamians viewed and observed their local skiesThe Babylonians used signs ca. 500 BCE, prior to their astrology's diffusion to Greece; but they didn't use houses, so they did not have much in the way of true horoscopic astrology, which was Hellenistic. The idea of the ascendant was probably Egyptian, so Hellenized Egytians or Egyptianized Greeks put these different themes together. The Babylonians were very interested in predicting eclipses, which was hard to do against a backdrop of constellations of varying widths along the ecliptic. They also used the path of the moon as their ecliptic, not the sun.
I think that in both modern and traditional western astrology, we find the "good, the bad, and the ugly;" so it is important to be a connoisseur of what we read.
BENJAMIN DYKES is indeed a famous TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGERBen Dykes is not just a famous Astrology scholar
but also seemingly he is into other occult fields such as Hermeticism, Magic, Golden Dawn, Thelema Rituals, Kabbalah, Tarot and Theosophy, I think.