Saturn as a Cosmic Teacher

david starling

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Very fortunate to have a spiritual-sidereal Age of Pisces concurrent with the mundane-tropical Age of Capricorn. Things would be much worse otherwise. And, having both Ages of Aquarius concurrent will be a VERY rare and fortunate occurrence, especially regarding Saturn.
 

ardentika

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Very fortunate to have a spiritual-sidereal Age of Pisces concurrent with the mundane-tropical Age of Capricorn. Things would be much worse otherwise. And, having both Ages of Aquarius concurrent will be a VERY rare and fortunate occurrence, especially regarding Saturn.

I wonder if this is somehow tied to the fact that Saturn is losing it's ring...
 

david starling

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I wonder if this is somehow tied to the fact that Saturn is losing it's ring...
Interesting....

I'm convinced that Tolkien was using Sauron, "Lord of the Rings", as allegorical for Saturn. As far as I know, he never came right out and said it though. In the end, Sauron's most important ring was destroyed in a volcano through the efforts of hobbits, which are Piscean-like creatures.
 
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helike13

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Yes, it's all coming together. I'm watching for when Saturn reaches Aquarius. It'll go in, then out, and back in again next year. Pluto in Aquarius will be monumental for the continuing transition. That's 2024 thru 2044. I count Age-degree generations using the Mean setting, so a new generation began in 1975 at 27 degrees, and a new generation will begin in 2033 at 28 degrees.

You're right, people make the Age what it is based on the Ages influence in their charts.

I have both Saturn and Pluto in my natal 5th house. Aquarius is in my 8th house. So they will aspect their natal position by square when they transit to my 8th house Aquarius.
 

CapAquaPis

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About the age-degree generations: The last 72 year period of 1929-2001 was about peak prosperity under 1' Pisces, while the current 72 year period from 2001-2073 is one of austerity and reduction in benefits, incomes, standard of living, quality of life and overall wealth under the malefic 30' Aquarius. I feel 29' Aquarius in 2073 is a lucky degree and about a more egalitarian world to last until 2145 when it reaches 28' Aquarius. The previous 2 age-degrees of 1775/85-1847/57 was about revolution and the birth of capitalism in the USA under 3' Pisces and 1847/57-1919/29 dedicated to socialist and progressive values of income redistribution. And Pisces is about prosperity and elites, Aquarius is focused on providing equality to the masses and we all live in a utilitarian-based society.
 
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david starling

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About the age-degree generations: The last 72 year period of 1929-2001 was about peak prosperity under 1' Pisces, while the current 72 year period from 2001-2073 is one of austerity and reduction in benefits, incomes, standard of living, quality of life and overall wealth under the malefic 30' Aquarius. I feel 29' Aquarius in 2073 is a lucky degree and about a more egalitarian world to last until 2145 when it reaches 28' Aquarius. The previous 2 age-degrees of 1775-1847 was about revolution and the birth of capitalism in the USA under 3' Pisces and 1847-1929 dedicated to socialist and progressive values of income redistribution. And Pisces is about prosperity and elites, Aquarius is focused on providing equality to the masses and we all live in a utilitarian-based society.

Just to clarify (not criticizing) you're using a 0 ayanamsa (one full Sign difference between tropical and sidereal, so that tropical Aries is in the same place as sidereal Pisces, tropical Taurus is coincidental with sidereal Aries, etc). And, these are the SIDEREAL Ages, using the First Point of Spring as the Age-indicator, which transits a sidereal zodiac at about 72 years per degree with Retrograde-motion (so that the sidereal Aquarian Age follows the sidereal Piscean Age). With this ayanamsa, the sidereal Age of Pisces began in 150 B.C.E., your chosen date for when the tropical and sidereal zodiacs were in perfect alignment.

Conversely (to avoid confusion), the Age-degree generations I'm talking about for mundane influence on our Charts are TROPICAL, with 58 years per generation and Direct-motion (so that the tropical Aquarian Age follows the tropical Capricornian Age, which is approaching 28 degrees Capricorn).

I believe that both types of Ages, tropical AND sidereal, are major, concurrent influences, with the tropical having mainly a mundane effect, and the sidereal having mainly a spiritual effect.

For further clarification, the sidereal Ages are subject to differing, chosen ayanamsas, so not all would agree that the First Point of Spring reached sidereal Aquarius in 2001. There are many start-dates suggested for that, which is confusing in and of itself! Some chosen, sidereal Aquarian Age start-dates are much earlier, some are much later. It's a matter of opinion.
 
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david starling

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For the tropical Ages, which are a major influence on a tropical Chart, Saturn is the current "Age-lord", and has been so since the 4th Century A.D.
 

CapAquaPis

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2160 AD is expected to be the actual start of the Aquarian age, so the 72-year periods are 2088-2160, 2016-88 and earlier, 1944-2016. I was told 1991, not 2001 had more to do with the Aquarian age by some astrological research. Either the starting point of the Piscean age was 150 BC or 1 AD-the theorized year Jesus Christ was born.
 

david starling

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2160 AD is expected to be the actual start of the Aquarian age, so the 72-year periods are 2088-2160, 2016-88 and earlier, 1944-2016. I was told 1991, not 2001 had more to do with the Aquarian age by some astrological research. Either the starting point of the Piscean age was 150 BC or 1 AD-the theorized year Jesus Christ was born.

Okay. The secret of understanding the astrological Ages, is to understand the effects they have on the Natal-chart. The transit effect is important only when: One Age-degree changes to another; reaches a Decant, the halfway-mark of an Age, the 5th or 6th cusp of the Age-sign at either end; and of course, when the next Age-sign is reached, which is when there's a change-over in Age-lord.
So, set your chosen sidereal Sign-boundaries, and see what House the Age-indicator is in, and how it's Aspected. And, see what House sidereal Pisces is in, because that House will be especially important. The "Age-effect" is a significant enhancement of the Age-sign , so that it gains greater importance and strengthens any placement in that Sign; and, enhancement of the Age-lord, over and above whatever influence it would normally have.
Notice that Neptune, the current Age-lord (Jesus, in Christian terminology, and Allah, in the Moslem) is currently Domicled in Pisces, the Age-sign itself. That's if the sidereal boundary, as you've chosen it, hasn't yet been reached by the Age-indicator, located at the First Point of Spring.
If you've set the sidereal Sign-boundaries so that the Age-indicator has already reached sidereal Aquarius, then the enchanced Sign in the Chart is now Aquarius, and the the Age-ruler is now Uranian in nature. Which means, a truly new type of religion--or possibly direct spiritual communication with the Source of spirituality, with no name or religious trappings required--is now in the process of forming.
 

david starling

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Spiritual connectivity is one thing. But, the mundane authority of religions claiming to have a lock on spiritual connectivity is another. For the latter, tropicalism explains them best. The 2 religions that formed and garnered mundane power during this current Age of tropical Capricorn, use the Age-lord, Saturn, as the boogeyman who's going to getcha if you don't give them money and follow their rules. :devil:
 

david starling

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In the tropical zodiac, Saturn is the current Age-lord (Age of Capricorn).
In the sidereal zodiac as generally located, Neptune is the current Age-lord (Age of Pisces).
Both are in effect at all times, tropical for worldly matters, sidereal for spiritual connectivity.

Both tropical and sidereal zodiacs are in transition into their respective Aquarian Ages, wherein a new Age-lord will be empowered :)uranus:). The gap between worldly matters and spiritual connectivity will be closed.
 
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