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Of interest to you may be the fact that an astrological method
calculates the most fertile days each month for the female
pinpointing the particular five days each month when conception is most likely to occur
based on the astrology of the natal chart



HOW TO GENERATE CHARTS TO EXPERIMENT WITH THE METHOD



astro.com's 'Extended Chart Selection' page has an option to choose 'special charts'.

A 'pop up' menu appears when a small triangle is clicked on, notice the last choice is the 'Lunar Phases Fertility Calendar'

- select that and then click to view the twelve month calendar with most likely montly conception dates for the chosen year -
based on natal astrological information.


Most likely Conception dates are highlighted in red

Either a Venus or a Mars logo above each area accentuated in red
indicates whether a child conceived at that time is most probably male or female

The idea is Venus logo = Girl
Mars logo = Boy

Moon influences fertility
and
there is pregnancy potential twice a month
all because of the moon


Most women watch their cycles
and know that mid cycle or
biological ovulation
is the prime time to fall pregnant in.
Most don't know the moon can trigger ovulation
and bring on fertililty at any time during the menstrual cycle (including during period) ...
it all depends on the moon phase at birth
This is the Natal Lunar Phase Fertile Time.
http://www.menstruation.com.au/astro...wofertile.html


The term Natal Lunar Phase Fertile Time
(re-discovered by Dr Eugene Jonas)
refers specifically to the angle between the sun and the moon when you were born.

Each month when the moon returns to this same position
(as it was at your birth)
it can trigger your body to spontaneously ovulate even if this time occurs outside your normal midcycle fertile time.
Now it may not always do this, BUT THE POTENTIAL IS THERE


and so
You can use your natal chart

on THE EXTENDED CHART SELECTION PAGE of
astro.com
to discover these fertile times

select 'Special Charts'
then select LUNAR PHASES FERTILITY CALANDAR
from the dropdown menu of 'Special Charts'
JA, I had to laugh at this. You know how to copy and paste, but have you actually tried this in real life? Theory is one thing, the realities of relationships, female biological cycles, and conception are something else. Are you a parent? If so, how did this work for you and/or your child's/children's mother?


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A lot also depends upon your thoughts about the soul that incarnates at the time of birth. In some spiritual persuasions, the soul choses the moment and circumstances of its birth as most conducive to its plan for personal growth. So these circumstances fit the soul's goals, not yours.

Are you spiritual enough to believe in God's plan-- however you conceptualize God?

I've also had enough surgery and medical procedures for this 'n' that to know that even a scheduled surgery's time is only approximate. It can be hours later. Once due to a no-show, my surgery got moved up several hours. If an emergency pops up, the OB/GYN will delay a more routine C-section or induced labour in order to handle the emergency first.

I was told by my mother that her labour with me was "by appointment"-- I. e., induced for the doctor's convenience-- and two weeks before her due date. Yet I have a night birth. Assuming she came to the hospital in the morning, when most procedures are scheduled, I think she must have been in labour for a long time. On my birth date, both the moon and Mars changed signs-- giving me a Leo moon and a Pisces Mars.

So another pointer is that the moon changes sign every three days. Unless it changes very early or late, it can be hard to predict just when a baby's birth will coincide with a different moon sign on about a third of potential birth dates.

Basically you are talking about a form of electional astrology. This is very tricky to do. There are very few all harmonious charts out there. I've only seen a few. I remember one where a woman was really upset at her first difficult transits. The in-born hard aspects help us to build up some backbone and the ability to handle adversity from a young age.

Of course, as any parent can tell you, you cannot really control your children, no matter what their birth charts look like. Especially not when they're teenagers.
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But there is a lot of c-section nowadays. What does it mean? All natal charts are incorrect?
Of course not. There is some debate about the time of the first moment of life: when the baby first exits the womb, or when s/he draws her first breath. Other's think the soul may enter the child sooner or later and that that's the correct time.

There's another big question about the accuracy of hospital and birth certificate times. Certainly in the past in the West, they were apt to be rounded. Because astrology has been so accepted in India, Indian birth times are apt to be recorded to the minute.
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A due date is only an estimate. In reality babies are often born early or late. Babies are sometimes born "by appointment" via C-section or induced labour, but these are riskier procedures if they are not medically indicated for a particular reason.

It's better to question why being so controlling is of interest to you. What if your wisdom and astrological knowledge were flawed?

You know the saying, "Let go, and let God."
I was actually generally curious. And I don't want to actually control what kind of birth chart my child has haha.

My gf doesn't believe in astrology really anyways. And I wouldn't want her to get a C-section just because of astrology haha.

But I was just curious, reading about astrology. I wouldn't want my baby to have the "best" chart (there is no way there can be anything that's the best with the future transits); but I wouldn't want them to have the most difficult chart (e.g. with the personal planets conjuncting with malefic starts) either.

And in other cultures/religions, there are "auspicious" and "non-auspicious" days to get married/have children. I was just curious if there was some way we could astrologically determine what days the personal planets wouldn't be conjunct in malefic stars?
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JA, I had to laugh at this.

Great - laughter is the best medicine - keep on laughing
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You know how to copy and paste, but have you actually tried this in real life?
Theory is one thing, the realities of relationships, female biological cycles, and conception are something else.
Are you a parent?
If so, how did this work for you and/or your child's/children's mother?

Even funnier
is that you clearly have no clue regarding the considerable research
by Dr Jonas on the topic
http://www.lunarium.co.uk/articles/jonas.jsp
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I was actually generally curious. And I don't want to actually control what kind of birth chart my child has haha.

My gf doesn't believe in astrology really anyways. And I wouldn't want her to get a C-section just because of astrology haha.

But I was just curious, reading about astrology.
I wouldn't want my baby to have the "best" chart (there is no way there can be anything that's the best with the future transits);
but I wouldn't want them to have the most difficult chart
(e.g. with the personal planets conjuncting with malefic starts) either
.

And in other cultures/religions, there are "auspicious" and "non-auspicious" days to get married/have children.
I was just curious if there was some way we could astrologically determine what days the personal planets
wouldn't be conjunct in malefic stars?
There's no mystery.......Simply check an Ephemeris
either buy your own
on amazon for example
or
link to a 9000 year FREE ONLINE EPHEMERIS
http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swepha_e.htm

and another http://www.khaldea.com/kldaephem/2000/jun2016gmt.shtml
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So tell me about your personal experience with any of this, JA.

Eugen Jonas' article that you linked flies in the face of modern medical science on women's fertility. This isn't the place to describe it, but there are reputable medical websites that will spell it out for you.

http://skepdic.com/jonas.html

I don't wish to get into anybody's intimate details, but frankly, it can be difficult for couples to schedule their intimate moments with the kind of precision required of Jonas's method, even assuming any legitimacy for it. We can imagine a woman's ideal time being at say, 9:00 am when she and her husband or partner have to be at work. By the time 10:00 pm or so rolls around when they are able to go to bed, the moon will have moved over 6 degrees, and may have changed signs, thus meaning their ideal time won't come up again for weeks. Nothing in Jonas's method, even if we overlook his bad science, would give an ideal birth date of the kind that rollindays inquired about. Even working retroactively to guesstimate conception charts, a fertile day may not coincide with a great due date 9 months later.

Then do we assume tropical or sidereal astrology?
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I was actually generally curious. And I don't want to actually control what kind of birth chart my child has haha.

My gf doesn't believe in astrology really anyways. And I wouldn't want her to get a C-section just because of astrology haha.

But I was just curious, reading about astrology. I wouldn't want my baby to have the "best" chart (there is no way there can be anything that's the best with the future transits); but I wouldn't want them to have the most difficult chart (e.g. with the personal planets conjuncting with malefic starts) either.

And in other cultures/religions, there are "auspicious" and "non-auspicious" days to get married/have children. I was just curious if there was some way we could astrologically determine what days the personal planets wouldn't be conjunct in malefic stars?

That is why people choose wedding dates. That is something we can control, as opposed to birth dates of our children. If we choose a good wedding date, then 'healthy children' should be covered under that election chart as well.
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So tell me about your personal experience with any of this, JA.
You seem keen on personal experience anecdotal evidence WB
and
since you have frequently stated in the past
that you are a retired mother of two now adult children
providing us with your own personal experience disproving the Jonas claim would be helpful aka apposite
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Your children choose their own charts.
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You seem keen on personal experience anecdotal evidence WB
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since you have frequently stated in the past
that you are a retired mother of two now adult children
providing us with your own personal experience disproving the Jonas claim would be helpful aka apposite
Waybread HAS provided her personal experience, to the extent that it's appropriate for this forum:

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I don't wish to get into anybody's intimate details, but frankly, it can be difficult for couples to schedule their intimate moments with the kind of precision required of Jonas's method, even assuming any legitimacy for it. We can imagine a woman's ideal time being at say, 9:00 am when she and her husband or partner have to be at work. By the time 10:00 pm or so rolls around when they are able to go to bed, the moon will have moved over 6 degrees, and may have changed signs, thus meaning their ideal time won't come up again for weeks.
Anyone who's ever had an ongoing sexual relationship can attest to the impossibility of scheduling sex at an "ideal" time... and that includes people who haven't tried to conceive. Anyone who ever has tried to conceive knows how small the window of fertility is, so trying to reach that right there, with work and other commitments happening at the same time, is tricky enough. How on earth can anyone meet those "ideal" times on top of that?
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Great - laughter is the best medicine - keep on laughing

Even funnier
is that you clearly have no clue regarding the considerable research
by Dr Jonas on the topic
http://www.lunarium.co.uk/articles/jonas.jsp
I was in class and I suddenly thought of this post and I just started laughing so hard while trying to keep it in. I was doing that for two hours straight.

Who needs TV

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You seem keen on personal experience anecdotal evidence WB
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since you have frequently stated in the past
that you are a retired mother of two now adult children
providing us with your own personal experience disproving the Jonas claim would be helpful aka apposite
I couldn't possibly, JA-- my children are now in their 30s. But if you know anything about scientific claims, you'd know that one-off anecdotal information doesn't enter into a legitimate scientific study.

But maybe you're just making a prurient inquiry into my sex life.....

But please let us know how the Jonas method works for you when you get to that stage of life.
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I couldn't possibly, JA-- my children are now in their 30s.
But if you know anything about scientific claims,
you'd know that one-off anecdotal information doesn't enter into a legitimate scientific study.
and so one wonders why WB you said
despite the fact that "one-off anecdotal information doesn't enter into a legitimate scientific study"
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JA, I had to laugh at this.
have you actually tried this in real life?
Theory is one thing, the realities of relationships, female biological cycles, and conception are something else.
Are you a parent? If so, how did this work for you and/or your child's/children's mother?


then you seem to wonder
and I quote:

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But maybe you're just making a prurient inquiry into my sex life.....
maybe not
consider the obvious fact that my comments
simply show that you yourself "maybe just making a prurient inquiry....."

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But please let us know how the Jonas method works for you when you get to that stage of life.
for your own "maybe prurient interest" presumably
or maybe not
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Looool I was in class and I suddenly thought of this post
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I was doing that for two hours straight
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Who needs TV when I have you and Kitchy

I love this forum.

Yay!!
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You know what. I met person who is into writing just because the chart ''supports'' it and that's how a delusion begins. Your beloved science doing harm and no good.


Don't get your children into this. You are gonna ruin their lifes


And for the psychopath creator of this thread: don't ever have kids.
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I'm late to the convo, but honestly just have a kid whenever you want. Trying to have a kid at a certain time just so you can have a nice birth chart seems silly to me. Some people with difficult aspects or harsh placements probably end up better or more successful anyway if they are aware and willing to fight, which is what parents can give to their children. Leave it up to fate to decide. People who try to control their fate to avoid a certain problem actually end up creating their fate to the very thing they didn't want!! It's a sad, sick irony to life.

Like I remember this one time when I wanted to avoid getting a failing grade on a test by paying careful attention and priority on studying, but the nerves and worry to avoid the failing grade is what actually made me fail because I couldn't get enough sleep, overworked myself, and basically died. LOL

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But I was just curious, reading about astrology. I wouldn't want my baby to have the "best" chart (there is no way there can be anything that's the best with the future transits); but I wouldn't want them to have the most difficult chart (e.g. with the personal planets conjuncting with malefic starts) either.

And in other cultures/religions, there are "auspicious" and "non-auspicious" days to get married/have children. I was just curious if there was some way we could astrologically determine what days the personal planets wouldn't be conjunct in malefic stars?
I think you may be blowing this out of proportion. Like I said, I have my personal planets on malefic stars (e.g. Moon on Antares). If you want to know what such a life would be like, I'm open to questions. Overall, my life has not been hell. Actually, when things go bad (sometimes coinciding with transits, sometimes not), they always shortly turn around. I'm pretty lucky and many people have helped me out in life. The majority of issues happened earlier in life; these were general 8th house issues. So comparatively speaking, my life has gone pretty well. I suppose I still have time for it to turn around, but I'm not too fatalistic. I like my chart, difficult as it may seem.
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I'm late to the convo, but honestly just have a kid whenever you want. Trying to have a kid at a certain time just so you can have a nice birth chart seems silly to me. Some people with difficult aspects or harsh placements probably end up better or more successful anyway if they are aware and willing to fight, which is what parents can give to their children. Leave it up to fate to decide. People who try to control their fate to avoid a certain problem actually end up creating their fate to the very thing they didn't want!! It's a sad, sick irony to life.

Like I remember this one time when I wanted to avoid getting a failing grade on a test by paying careful attention and priority on studying, but the nerves and worry to avoid the failing grade is what actually made me fail because I couldn't get enough sleep, overworked myself, and basically died. LOL

So yeah, just do whatever you do naturally.
Well said, I agree.
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Hi! Im also new to the convo and wanted to let you know that when I was pregnant, I felt so tempted to induce labour at a certain time for what I viewed would be a positive time astrologically. I realized that my child would be born during the time they were meant to. I did ultimately get what I had hoped and that was a synastry aspect between us which is favorable for a child and mother. My moon conjunct my child's north node. Touchdown!
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Hi! Im also new to the convo and wanted to let you know that when I was pregnant, I felt so tempted to induce labour at a certain time for what I viewed would be a positive time astrologically. I realized that my child would be born during the time they were meant to. I did ultimately get what I had hoped and that was a synastry aspect between us which is favorable for a child and mother. My moon conjunct my child's north node. Touchdown!
And what's your IQ like, you say?
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And what's your IQ like, you say?
Why would her IQ matter?
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You know what. I met person who is into writing just because the chart ''supports'' it and that's how a delusion begins. Your beloved science doing harm and no good.


Don't get your children into this. You are gonna ruin their lifes


And for the psychopath creator of this thread: don't ever have kids.
Congratulations on judging a new member to the forum you know nothing about!

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And what's your IQ like, you say?
What a disrespectful and pointless comment. No. Not question, but a nasty little statement.
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