Tighter orbs override wider orbs in synastry?

DuffyGal

DuffyGal

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Hi,

I am new here and new to synastry astrology. I don't understand a lot. However, I do have a question about orbs.

I am looking at the synastry between myself and an interest. We have my sun square his venus by 7 degrees. However, we have sun trine sun 1 degree, my sun trine his moon 1 degree, and his venus conjunct my mars 5 degrees. Would the tighter orbs with the sun/moon and even the venus/mars take away much of the frustration of the 7-degree orb of the venus-sun square? I know this depends on all the other aspects, I am just asking generally so as to get an understanding of what in a chart might mitigate what. His venus is also sextile my AC with a 5-degree orb and his venus sextile my psyche 2 degrees...in case these mean anything.

I hope I am even stating these correctly. I am just learning this and trying to get a grapple on how to read these charts. I know the whole chart needs to be examined, I am just giving examples to illustrate my inquiry about tightness vs looseness of orbs.

Thank you!
 
Bina

Bina

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7 degrees orb is really to wide to be considered in synastry. I usually look at aspects 2-3 degrees orb. If they are very strong by sign/house/placement or an aspect pattern, up to 5 degrees (but rarely). The close aspects are what really counts, the closer the stronger, exact ones (or very near) are the strongest triggers in relationships.
 
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DuffyGal

DuffyGal

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Bina said:
7 degrees orb is really to wide to be considered in synastry. I usually look at aspects 2-3 degrees orb. If they are very strong by sign/house/placement or an aspect pattern, up to 5 degrees (but rarely). The close aspects are what really counts, the closer the stronger, exact ones (or very near) are the strongest triggers in relationships.
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Thank you for your reply. But that came from astro.com, I am not merely interpreting that myself. Do you mean that although the chart generated said square 7 degree that it's not really square? I thought for certain planets larger orbs are allowed?
 
Claire19

Claire19

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DuffyGal said:
Hi,

I am new here and new to synastry astrology. I don't understand a lot. However, I do have a question about orbs.

I am looking at the synastry between myself and an interest. We have my sun square his venus by 7 degrees. However, we have sun trine sun 1 degree, my sun trine his moon 1 degree, and his venus conjunct my mars 5 degrees. Would the tighter orbs with the sun/moon and even the venus/mars take away much of the frustration of the 7-degree orb of the venus-sun square? I know this depends on all the other aspects, I am just asking generally so as to get an understanding of what in a chart might mitigate what. His venus is also sextile my AC with a 5-degree orb and his venus sextile my psyche 2 degrees...in case these mean anything.

I hope I am even stating these correctly. I am just learning this and trying to get a grapple on how to read these charts. I know the whole chart needs to be examined, I am just giving examples to illustrate my inquiry about tightness vs looseness of orbs.

Thank you!
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With synastry I use only 3 degrees maximum. I would not use a sextile 5 degree orb for instance. The wider the orb the weaker the effect. I would concentrate on the tight orbs only as that will keep thing simpler and less confusing. However a composite chart is much more revealing of the relationship and again no more than 3 degree orb.
 
Bina

Bina

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DuffyGal said:
Thank you for your reply. But that came from astro.com, I am not merely interpreting that myself. Do you mean that although the chart generated said square 7 degree that it's not really square? I thought for certain planets larger orbs are allowed?
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In a personal chart, 7 degrees orb may be considered, but not in synastry. :smile:
I don't think the program on astro.com distinguishes what kind of chart is drawn up and it has very general settings for the orbs, etc.
 
Bina

Bina

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To clarify, yes, it is still a square, but in synastry we need focus on the close aspects as they will tell us the most about the relationship...
 
tikana

tikana

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DuffyGal said:
Hi,

I am new here and new to synastry astrology. I don't understand a lot. However, I do have a question about orbs.

I am looking at the synastry between myself and an interest. We have my sun square his venus by 7 degrees. However, we have sun trine sun 1 degree, my sun trine his moon 1 degree, and his venus conjunct my mars 5 degrees. Would the tighter orbs with the sun/moon and even the venus/mars take away much of the frustration of the 7-degree orb of the venus-sun square? I know this depends on all the other aspects, I am just asking generally so as to get an understanding of what in a chart might mitigate what. His venus is also sextile my AC with a 5-degree orb and his venus sextile my psyche 2 degrees...in case these mean anything.

I hope I am even stating these correctly. I am just learning this and trying to get a grapple on how to read these charts. I know the whole chart needs to be examined, I am just giving examples to illustrate my inquiry about tightness vs looseness of orbs.

Thank you!
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DEPENDs

if faster applying to slower it is more potent
if it is outgoing BUT a wider aspect that is incoming - incoming wins

triggered angular planet's aspect - WINs
squares are stronger than sextiles
squares are stronger than trine
conj are more potent than squares
 
J

JaxAstro

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Some of this is a repeat but these are the rules I follow:

Sun Moon & Ascendant (sometimes Midheaven) I may go up to 5 deg orb for conjunction & opposition only.

Otherwise 3 deg orb for the rest conjunctions, oppositions, squares, trines.

For sextile, quintiles I'll go 2 deg orb. (I actually think quintiles should be considered a major aspect - 5th harmonic). I'm still trying figure out though how quintiles work in synastry.

1 degree orb for the minor aspects.

I think someone already mentioned this but conjunctions are strongest, followed by oppositions, then squares, then trines. I actually like the energy of the sextiles because it is both harmonious and balancing. (elements fire with air; earth with water) In synastry, I think it is good to look at where someone provides you with what you may not have, two parts become a stronger whole.

Have fun!
 
GPrincess

GPrincess

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My husband and I got a SUN-MOON square 6 orb applying...and trust me...it is there! BUT i have to admit that it started to show over the years...
 
J

JaxAstro

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Oh I hear you, I like to start with tighter orbs, but sometimes like you said over time, some of the more distant and subtle aspects can let their energy be known! :)
 
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