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The Gates are getting divorced!!

News just broke about Bill and Melinda Gates divorcing after 27 years of marriage and it sent shockwaves around the world. They seemed like a solid couple, and have been very much in the public eye, mainly for their charity foundation.
No scandals, no rumours. So what happened?
I'm posting his natal and hers, which unfortunately does not have a known time of birth, in a synastry chart, plus the composite of the relationship and progressed composite to shed light on "why now"?
He is a scorpio sun with an out of sign conjunction wth Neptune, and a square to Uranus sitting on his ascendent. This describes him as a male figure. A dreamer, maybe not very practical, but very intense, and also rebellious and unreliable because of his unpredictable changes of course. Chiron on his descendent completes a T-square of these important planets. Of course, we would expect a man who has been the wealthiest self-made man in the world to have something unique in his chart. He also has mars/mercury conjunction giving him a good mind but making him a little sharp, impatient and irritable.The conjunction falls near his IC, so we would expect his family life to suffer from this.
His moon in self-oriented independent Aries opposes mars, and makes him moody to say the least.
Moon also rules his ascendent, and of course symbolises the women he is attracted to.
And these tense inner energies are all coated over by his comfy cancer ascendent
So who knew? The Bill Gates who looks publicly like a gentle teddy bear is really a grizzly bear!
Unfortunate we don't have Melinda's ascendent, but we know she has a leo sun that squares her Jupiter. This describes the men in her life. But Leo square Jupiter has little in common with Bill's chart!
She also has a close Venus/mars conjunction which gives her sexual energy, in cancer also ties her closely to family values, but this conjunction falls in Bill's 12th house. So her sexual expression towards him is expressed in a hidden way, not openly, and probably the sexual element before marriage was a hidden strong magnetic force that drew them together.
This is heightened by the fact that her conjunction is in a close square to his moon/mars opposition. So even though she apparently doesn't have "mars" qualities as a woman, she unconsciously triggers his desire for the female side of her, and provoking a sexual expression.
Mars square mars can be literally a War of the Roses in a marriage, the two are pulling in different directions and interacting in a way of continuous provocation.
They ignite each other. Her Venus in the equation can help coat things over with gentle loving care, but she won't always be tuned into that energy to smooth things over.
What we do see as a helping hand is his Jupiter on her sun, he will give way to her often out of generosity. But he also has powerful pluto there, so it is a type of velvet glove that he uses to exert his authority, but in a kind way.
His disciplinary Saturn almost exactly squares her sun, making not a few demands on her.
Notice where her sun lies, in his 2nd. Which happens to be the money house of one of the richest men on the planet! Her ego is tied into that money. And he squares her on it, from his 5th house. He will use their children to keep her in her place.
We can't be sure of where her moon is without knowing her birth time, the chart I did is for noon, and it puts moon at the end of scorpio. Given his moon/mars opposition that seeks a "mars" woman, the odds are that her moon is in reality in scorpio, and if it is early enough it conjuncts his Venus, which would form a close tie and go a long long way towards softening the harsh aspects we saw earlier.
In the composite chart that shows the nature of the relationship, we shouldn't be surprised to see a mars/uranus conjunction. These two really went at it behind the closed doors! And the conjunction opposes Chiron that symbolises the suffering they must have both gone through all these years.
To add further fuel to the conjunction, transformational pluto is not far away.
Venus trine Saturn tells us why they lasted so long.
And the sun/mercury represents the image we have of them, intellectually aligned and on the same track mentally.
So why now? It's been 27 years, why not just go on.
Looking at the progressed composite, moon is just about conjunct Neptune of divorce. Keeping in mind her moon could be slightly different from the noon chart posted, it still indicates why now. Mercury exactly squares pluto, just blowing up mentally. And Saturn/jupiter are in opposition.
And progressed composite sun at the end of its sign is about to change, showing the change in the relationship, from a marriage state to singles.
And Uranus is exactly in the degree of the nodes, showing an inevitable divorce.
The couple is worth countless billions, and there was no prenuptial agreement. We will see how the money works out, with her sun in his money house, conjunct his pluto/jupiter but square Saturn. One hand reaching out while the other pulls back!
This is a perfect example of how difficult it is to judge a couple from the outside, appearances can be very deceptive.
There are some recent videos of them and you can see their body language clearly expressing their emotional separation.
Mars square mars can be quite lethal.
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Great unpacking Elena.

It seems like theirs was an amazing union given these charts.

Her Leo Sun at MC illuminates his NN ruler Jupiter which otherwise would have been ground up by Pluto. Also neat they had reversed nodal axes.
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So much to go into here, so many layers!
I was very surprised by what a challenged chart he has. Not an easy person, but most very very successful people tend to have that type of chart. Look at Steve Jobs just to name one.
That's apparently what pushes them to achieve so much. If I remember correctly, Elon Musk too.
But then in a partnership as close as a marriage it's hard to handle energy like that.
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So why now? It's been 27 years,

why not just go on.
Bill and Melinda Gates indeed announced their divorce
after 27 years of marriage
saying
"...we no longer believe we can grow together as a couple..."


assuming Bill Gates dodgy unreliable birthtime provides correctly a Cancer ascendant
then
Bill Gates 7th House is then SATURN ruled CAPRICORN
and
curiouser and curiouser
27 years represents a single SATURN CYCLE
and so on ad infinitum Q.E.D.


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That's another good point, JupAsc.
In fact, his descendent ruler is Saturn, which is conjunct his Venus and squares her natal sun and could possible be conjunct her moon, depending on her birth time.
Too bad we don't have at least an approximate time for her.
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Without any time of birth, I don't know how you can have confidence in the synastry or composite, especially any ''house'' connections or angles, which need a time of birth to be totally accurate.

A noon chart is often used for a natal chart....but you can't assume the composite is accurate without birth times. But I see you used times....did you just make them up??
Or was there a source with these times as ''possibly'' accurate?

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Without any time of birth, I don't know how you can have confidence in the synastry or composite, especially any ''house'' connections or angles, which need a time of birth to be totally accurate.

A noon chart is often used for a natal chart....but you can't assume the composite is accurate without birth times. But I see you used times....did you just make them up??
Or was there a source with these times as ''possibly'' accurate?

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What about time of divorce filing? Anything to be gleaned from that?
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Without any time of birth, I don't know how you can have confidence in the synastry or composite, especially any ''house'' connections or angles, which need a time of birth to be totally accurate.

A noon chart is often used for a natal chart....but you can't assume the composite is accurate without birth times. But I see you used times....did you just make them up??
Or was there a source with these times as ''possibly'' accurate?

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The birth time of Bill Gates is recorded. Hers is not.
A synastry can be done with reference to his houses, not to hers.
And of course the planet aspects can be seen and reveal a lot of information..
As well as a composite, where the houses cannot be evaluated, but the other planet positions can be analysed. The moon position would obviously change if we insert her time, but it wouldn't move more than a certain amount since her chart was for noon.
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What about time of divorce filing? Anything to be gleaned from that?
Maybe, but it could have simply been a legal filing by their lawyer.
A wedding chart could be interesting.
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So why now? It's been 27 years, why not just go on.

some clues re: "...why not just go on..."

A 1997 Time profile by Walter Isaacson
discusses Bill Gates relationship with a Ms Winblad
and the extent of his involvement with her
after his marriage with Melinda in 1994.


The interview resurfaced
after the multibillionaire philanthropist couple

announced their decision
to dissolve 27 years of marriage.

Bill Gates had dated Ann Winblad, an American businesswoman, in the 1980s
and entered into an arrangement with his wife, Melinda, that allowed him
to spend a long weekend every year with his ex-girlfriend Ann Winblad
at her North Carolina beach cottage


Before Bill and Melinda's 1994 marriage
Bill dated the software entrepreneur
and venture capitalist Ann Winblad during the 1980s.

“...They met in 1984 at a Ben Rosen-Esther Dyson computer conference
and started going on ‘...virtual dates....’
by driving to the same movie at the same time in different cities
and discussing it on their cell phones.
For a few years she even persuaded him to stop eating meat
an experiment he has since resolutely abandoned....”

Mr Gates and Ms Winbald broke up in 1987
“...partly because Winblad, five years older
was more ready for marriage....” says the profile
which added that they remained close friends.
“...Even now,
Gates has an arrangement with his wife
that he and Winblad can keep one vacation tradition alive.


Every spring, as they have for more than a decade
Gates spends a long weekend with Winblad at her beach cottage
on the Outer Banks of North Carolina, where they ride dune buggies
hang-glide and walk on the beach....”

Mr Gates told Mr Isaacson that they would
play “...putt-putt while discussing biotechnology...”
Elaborating on their bond, Ms Winblad added
that they would share their thoughts about the world and themselves
and “...marvel about how, as two young overachievers
we began a great adventure on the fringes of a little-known industry
and it landed us at the center of an amazing universe....”

Bill Gates and Winblad broke up in 1987 but remained close.
Eventually, before Bill and Melinda Gates got married
Bill Gates told Isaacson he called Winblad to ask for her approval.

"...I said she'd be a good match for him because she had intellectual stamina..." Winblad told Isaacson.

And by 1997, three years into Bill and Melinda's marriage,
the couple had an arrangement
that Bill could spend a long weekend with Winblad
every year at her beach cottage in North Carolina.

Ann is married to San Francisco private investigator Edward Alex Kline, 63
Kline is the younger brother of actor Kevin Kline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngRjHKCG30w

It's unclear how long this apparent agreement lasted
or if it went beyond the 1997 publishing of the article
Bill and Melinda's odd arrangement
allowing for him to visit Winblad each year
has raised eyebrows
now that one of the richest couples in the world
are going their separate ways

after 27 years together building a $130billion fortune.


The couple's eldest daughter, 25-year-old Jennifer Gates, has spoken publicly
on social media about the '...challenging stretch...'
the family recently endured.
Neither of their two other adult children have commented.
Jennifer is the oldest of Bill and Melinda's three children
followed by 21-year-old son Rory
and 18-year-old daughter Phoebe.

While the couple have no prenup
it appears a lot of the work of dividing up their estate
which includes properties in five states
a private jet
an astonishing art collection
and
a fleet of luxury cars
has already been done
as their divorce papers repeatedly refer to a '...separation contract...'
which both have signed.
A separation contract, or separation agreement, is a legally binding document
drawn up by divorcing couples in advance of their split
in which they agree how to split their lives
including child custody and access, debts and property.
It is governed by contract law
meaning that either party can sue the other for breach of contract
if the agreement is broken.
Signing a separation contract allows a couple to divide their assets
by mutual agreement
rather than having to go to court.
The contract itself has not been made public.



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Well, JupAsc, aren't you the super sleuth! Well done.
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So let's take a look at the relationship between Bill Gates and Ann Winblad.
Unfortunately there is no birth time available for her.
The charts are synastry, composite and progressed composite.
In the synastry one important aspect pops right out, her moon is almost exactly on his ascendent. Her chart is calculated for noon so this position would change if we knew the exact time. I suspect it would go closer towards his Uranus.
This is because they also have a moon square Uranus contact, so a moon/uranus conjunction would fit a logical theme, and would also help explain the unusual relationship they had, with the separation and once yearly meetings.
They share similar suns, and she as scorpio fulfils his moon/mars contact in a woman.
Her Neptune on his mercury/mars explains their intellectual compatibility.
The story of them going to the same movie together, but in different cities, talking on their cell phones, describes this contact completely. The Neptune neutralises the physical mars energy. And of course Neptune is film.
Their synastry doesn't have the fireworks of his chart with Melinda, so even though the moon/uranus contacts kept them apart, they were more compatible.
The Composite shows a love contact with mars/venus conjunct, Saturn/neptune/mercury conjunct and the sun in the middle.
The moon position here can't be used because we don't have her time, but if it is true that it is later than noon and near his Uranus, then this moon might reach the degree of the nodes making a karmic contact. Sheer hypothesis but possible.
So, did this relationship break up the marriage?
Looking at the progressed composite, again unreliable moon position, there is a sun/Chiron conjunction but nothing that shrieks an urgent pulling together of the two.
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Here is the Gates marriage chart, calculated for noon.
There is a lovely sun/venus conjunction, and we shouldn't be surprised it is in scorpio.
And mars square the nodes, which is the way their toxic mars square mars expressed itself. Fighting fighting fighting.
And the preview of the divorce, mercury/moon square Neptune and Uranus, the two divorce planets.
The Saturn trine to sun/venus kept the marriage on its feet for 27 years, which is an approximate Saturn cycle!
Jupiter/pluto refers to the enormous wealth they were able to accumulate during the marriage period.
Chiron is in the degree of Uranus.
Fairly obvious they didn't use an astrologer to plan their wedding!
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So, did this relationship break up the marriage?



perhaps not

Few compare in prestige and power to Bill Gates.
keep in mind that
curiously
unlike many others
AFTER Jeffrey Epstein was convicted of sex crime
Bill Gates started their relationship
By the time Mr. Gates and Mr. Epstein first met
Mr. Epstein had served jail time
for soliciting prostitution from a minor

and was required to register as a sex offender.
Beginning in 2011
Mr. Gates met with Mr. Epstein on numerous occasions

including at least three times at Mr. Epstein’s palatial Manhattan townhouse
and
at least once staying late into the night
according to
interviews with more than a dozen people familiar with the relationship
as well as documents reviewed by The New York Times.


Employees of Mr. Gates’s foundation also paid multiple visits
to Mr. Epstein’s mansion.
Mr. Gates and the $51 billion Gates Foundation
have championed the well-being of young girls.
Mr. Epstein spoke with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
and JPMorgan Chase
about a proposed multibillion-dollar charitable fund
an arrangement that had the potential
to generate enormous fees for Mr. Epstein.

“...His lifestyle is very different
and kind of intriguing
although it would not work for me...”
Mr. Gates emailed colleagues in 2011
after his first get-together with Mr. Epstein.




Bridgitt Arnold, a spokeswoman for Mr. Gates, said
he “...was referring only to the unique décor of the Epstein residence
and Epstein’s habit of
spontaneously bringing acquaintances in to meet Mr. Gates....”
“...It was in no way meant to convey a sense of interest or approval...”
Ms. Arnold said that “...high-profile people...”
had introduced Mr. Gates and Mr. Epstein
and that
they had met multiple times to discuss philanthropy.
“...Bill Gates regrets ever meeting with Epstein
and recognizes it was an error in judgment to do so.
Gates recognizes
that entertaining Epstein’s ideas related to philanthropy
gave Epstein an undeserved platform
that was at odds with Gates’s personal values
and the values of his foundation....”

Two members of Mr. Gates’s inner circle
Boris Nikolic and Melanie Walker
were close to Mr. Epstein
and at times functioned as intermediaries
between the two men.
Ms. Walker met Mr. Epstein in 1992
six months after graduating
from the University of Texas.
Mr. Epstein, who was an adviser to Mr. Wexner
the owner of Victoria’s Secret, told Ms. Walker
that he could land her an audition for a modeling job there
according to Ms. Walker. She later traveled to New York
and stayed in a Manhattan apartment building that Mr. Epstein owned.
After she graduated from medical school, she said
Mr. Epstein hired her as a science adviser in 1998.
Ms. Walker later met Steven Sinofsky
a senior executive at Microsoft
who became president of its Windows division
and moved to Seattle to be with him.
In 2006, she joined the Gates Foundation
with the title of senior program officer.




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Transiting Pluto is currently on Bill's decendant.
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Without any time of birth, I don't know how you can have confidence in the synastry or composite, especially any ''house'' connections or angles, which need a time of birth to be totally accurate.

A noon chart is often used for a natal chart....but you can't assume the composite is accurate without birth times. But I see you used times....did you just make them up??
Or was there a source with these times as ''possibly'' accurate?

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Even without t.o.b. for both one can glean a lot from the synastry and composite. If you look at the Composite for the Gates, we can be certain that the Composite Moon is somewhere in a range of 6 degrees on either side of the Moon position in the chart. Which means that it has been undergoing transits of Saturn and Uranus in the past 2 years.



In Bill's chart with Ann, the large stellium of the Sun also contains Uranus - a definitive indicator of a relationship that is not stable, has breaks. These large composite stelliums with the luminaries are very strong magnets creating strong connections and desires. Other factors will determine the chances of longevity, but by themselves they are not reliable indicators of long-term success.
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So sorry I misspoke in my previous comment. The Composite of Bill and Ann has Uranus squaring the large stellium - but it carries the same influence.
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So sorry I misspoke in my previous comment. The Composite of Bill and Ann has Uranus squaring the large stellium - but it carries the same influence.
Which is even stronger in energy!
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I think the most expensive divorce in history is meticulously timed.

Here's WHY
The Bill Gates Divorce...What the Media isn't Telling YOU!!

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This theory sounds a little convoluted.
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Her Venus & Mars in Cancer is square his Aries Moon.



I'm surprised they lasted this long, BUT for the fact that they had an "agreement" that every year, he would take weekend vacations with his old fling.


I supposed he wanted more then that.



They SURE have tons of property now, and "stuff" to divide up. Rather surprised since they knew it was heading this way to oblivion, why they kept buying property in both names or did they?



Certainly was a bit overboard imo. - all over the map.
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Checking out another 3some marriage as Diana Princess of Wales once called it. - with the "Rottweiler" now the spouse:



Charles Sun 22 °Scorpio square Diana's Moon 25° AQ (closer to an exact square)

There was no meaningful Chiron connections other then his 28Scorpio (opp Algol) and her 06 Pisces making a very wide square his Chiron



Where, it appears to be fated with the 3rd party to this marriage:
Charles Chiron conjunct Camilla's SN
Camilla's Chiron conj. Charles SN



Ironically,

Diana's Sun 9 Cancer was cj. Camilla's Moon 10 Cancer



Perhaps we need to check Chiron in the 3some of the Gates
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Melinda Gates warned Bill Gates about Jeffrey Epstein


A meeting between Bill and Melinda Gates

and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein in 2013
left Melinda upset
at the relationship between her husband and the financier

as reported by The Daily Beast on Thursday.

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perhaps not

Few compare in prestige and power to Bill Gates.
keep in mind that
curiously
unlike many others
AFTER Jeffrey Epstein was convicted of sex crime
Bill Gates started their relationship
By the time Mr. Gates and Mr. Epstein first met
Mr. Epstein had served jail time
for soliciting prostitution from a minor

and was required to register as a sex offender.
Beginning in 2011
Mr. Gates met with Mr. Epstein on numerous occasions

including at least three times at Mr. Epstein’s palatial Manhattan townhouse
and
at least once staying late into the night
according to
interviews with more than a dozen people familiar with the relationship
as well as documents reviewed by The New York Times.


Employees of Mr. Gates’s foundation also paid multiple visits
to Mr. Epstein’s mansion.
Mr. Gates and the $51 billion Gates Foundation
have championed the well-being of young girls.
Mr. Epstein spoke with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
and JPMorgan Chase
about a proposed multibillion-dollar charitable fund
an arrangement that had the potential
to generate enormous fees for Mr. Epstein.

“...His lifestyle is very different
and kind of intriguing
although it would not work for me...”
Mr. Gates emailed colleagues in 2011
after his first get-together with Mr. Epstein.




Bridgitt Arnold, a spokeswoman for Mr. Gates, said
he “...was referring only to the unique décor of the Epstein residence
and Epstein’s habit of
spontaneously bringing acquaintances in to meet Mr. Gates....”
“...It was in no way meant to convey a sense of interest or approval...”
Ms. Arnold said that “...high-profile people...”
had introduced Mr. Gates and Mr. Epstein
and that
they had met multiple times to discuss philanthropy.
“...Bill Gates regrets ever meeting with Epstein
and recognizes it was an error in judgment to do so.
Gates recognizes
that entertaining Epstein’s ideas related to philanthropy
gave Epstein an undeserved platform
that was at odds with Gates’s personal values
and the values of his foundation....”

Two members of Mr. Gates’s inner circle
Boris Nikolic and Melanie Walker
were close to Mr. Epstein
and at times functioned as intermediaries
between the two men.
Ms. Walker met Mr. Epstein in 1992
six months after graduating
from the University of Texas.
Mr. Epstein, who was an adviser to Mr. Wexner
the owner of Victoria’s Secret, told Ms. Walker
that he could land her an audition for a modeling job there
according to Ms. Walker. She later traveled to New York
and stayed in a Manhattan apartment building that Mr. Epstein owned.
After she graduated from medical school, she said
Mr. Epstein hired her as a science adviser in 1998.
Ms. Walker later met Steven Sinofsky
a senior executive at Microsoft
who became president of its Windows division
and moved to Seattle to be with him.
In 2006, she joined the Gates Foundation
with the title of senior program officer.
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