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I know that Neptune square mercury (especially if angular) pretty much means you will not be neuronormative. Not sure if it applies specifically to add/adhd but itís probably under the umbrella there along with the autism spectrum.
Where did you learn that?

My Neptune/Venus/Mercury square (Neptune is exactly square Venus, 3 degrees orb with Mercury, but applying) is cadent by sign, succedent by house.

ADD/ADHD is not part of the autism spectrum--there are perhaps as many difference as between either of those and neurotypicals--but cousins of a sort. Neither is neurotypical, so there's some affinity right there.

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Where did you learn that?

My Neptune/Venus/Mercury square (Neptune is exactly square Venus, 3 degrees orb with Mercury, but applying) is cadent by sign, succedent by house.

ADD/ADHD is not part of the autism spectrum--there are perhaps as many difference as between either of those and neurotypicals--but cousins of a sort. Neither is neurotypical, so there's some affinity right there.
That’s what I meant, that there’s an affinity as in neither are neurotypical. Not sure exactly where I learned it...it’s my assesment throughout my delving into astrology and looking at charts but I’m sure I’m not the first or only one to make that connection. I’ll try to find a link to back it up and post it...


http://www.angelfire.com/journal/Gre...itDisorder.htm
[should be "Gregory", corrected in later post - Moderator]

Not sure if that link is live but you can also google angel fire add study...I mentioned the square being more powerful if it is angular, and that is true for all planetary aspects. Neptune Squaring Merc can be very troublesome in general and hopefully gets creative and/or spiritual outlets so the native doesn’t literally lose their mind. I’ll have to read back over this thread and I apologize if I’m just echoing what’s been said before.

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Iím wondering if others with the mercury/Neptune square also have an extremely active imagination? I feel like I do readily and so often pick up on (what I find to be) interesting stimulus that it can be hard for me to not become distracted. I process a lot visually so Iím often completely struck by light qualities and spatial harmony or dissonance. Itís definitely compelling and distracting.
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That’s what I meant, that there’s an affinity as in neither are neurotypical. Not sure exactly where I learned it...it’s my assesment throughout my delving into astrology and looking at charts but I’m sure I’m not the first or only one to make that connection. I’ll try to find a link to back it up and post it...


http://www.angelfire.com/journal/Gre...itDisorder.htm

Not sure if that link is live but you can also google angel fire add study...
It actually doesn't have the http. The correct link is http://www.angelfire.com/journal/Gre...itDisorder.htm

Edit: The forum software seems to be automatically putting the http:// into the link. I tried to edit it out, but it doesn't appear in the editable version of my post. However, the link I posted does work, as of when I tested it just now. The original one gets an "invalid" message.

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What are the social effects of adhd? Is adhd outgrown? Why didn't we have adhd when I was a kid? Do kids in Zimbabwe have adhd? What effect does love have on this condition?

As I said, we didn't have adhd when I was a kid. We didn't have tv or video games either. I don't suppose there's any connection...yet I wonder.

Doctors and drug companies have a rather incestuous sort of relationship...DSM and that sort of thing. Could $ be at play in the shadows with all these new ailments?

Naaah. Must be I'm getting old and senile.

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What are the social effects of adhd? Is adhd outgrown? Why didn't we have adhd when I was a kid? Do kids in Zimbabwe have adhd? What effect does love have on this condition?

As I said, we didn't have adhd when I was a kid. We didn't have tv or video games either. I don't suppose there's any connection...yet I wonder.

I think there may be a connection. In the case of Merc/Nept squares, the sensitivity to the environment and over abundance of "choices" in the modern/ affluent cultures possibly shuts down some level of sensory input in natives resulting in neurodiversity that is not common in other cultures.
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What are the social effects of adhd?
That is a very complex question. Speaking as someone with inattentive ADHD, who grew up undiagnosed... social isolation. Not being able to do anything right. Not being able to do well in school or the work world, even with a high IQ and everyone saying, "You're so smart!" Shame at not being able to keep a clean house. Possibly one reason I never married or had children.

And that's just my experience. From talking to other women with ADD, I know it's pretty common. For men, it may be a bit different--at the very least, men aren't expected to be as on top of everything as women... they're expected to have wives to keep them organized, not be the wife... but still some of the same applies.

If you really want a primer on it, I recommend Driven to Distraction by Edward Hallowell and John Ratey.
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Why didn't we have adhd when I was a kid?
You did. I know people your age who have it, and they've had it all their lives. But back then, it wasn't well recognized, and was usually written off as badness or stupidity or both. Or, in some cases, known as "minimal brain dysfunction." Calling it attention deficit disorder didn't come along until later. Labels change, but what they're labeling doesn't necessarily.
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Do kids in Zimbabwe have adhd?
Probably about 5% or 6% of them do. That's the latest estimate for how much of the general population does. I doubt it's any different in Zimbabwe. But it can manifest differently depending on culture, worldview, and expectations. And it may be that they're less likely to be identified that way in Zimbabwe.
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What effect does love have on this condition?
None, anymore than love affects deafness or blindness or cerebral palsy. But love does make life in general better, for us as for anyone else.

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As I said, we didn't have adhd when I was a kid. We didn't have tv or video games either. I don't suppose there's any connection...yet I wonder.
High doses of screen time can make neurotypical people act more like people with ADHD. But that's not the same thing. The ADHD brain is fundamentally different in some ways (brain scans have shown this).

By the same token, Uranus and Neptune and Pluto and Chiron have always existed, but not always been known to astronomers, let alone astrologers. To tie this back to astrology (astrologically posts only in astrological forums!), it seems to me that awareness of ADD/ADHD, in this particular way, correlates with what the outer planets are doing. Up thread, it's been mentioned that the explosion in diagnoses coincided with the Uranus/Neptune conjunction in Capricorn.
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[QUOTE=Osamenor;918813 Shame at not being able to keep a clean house. Possibly one reason I never married or had children.

And that's just my experience. From talking to other women with ADD, I know it's pretty common. For men, it may be a bit different--at the very least, men aren't expected to be as on top of everything as women... they're expected to have wives to keep them organized, not be the wife... but still some of the same applies[/QUOTE]


Thank you for this. This is exactly why I am currently looking into this. The man I'm with is very organized and tidy and as we have gotten closer, its a huge problem for him, my housekeeping. Even though I spend at least an hour a day cleaning up, I'm totally lost with organization so I never have my place feeling or looking quite "right" and comfortable. I'm sure it must be adhd because i have no problem doing far more complex things than organizing a house, and not for lack of trying.
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Doctors and drug companies have a rather incestuous sort of relationship...DSM and that sort of thing. Could $ be at play in the shadows with all these new ailments?
With the push to treat them with drugs, perhaps. But drug company profits and incestuous relationships with doctors are not responsible for the existence of those conditions, any more than hearing aid companies are responsible for the existence of deafness.

Before posting any further, please read the ground rules for this thread:

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A few ground rules I would like to set for this thread:

- This is a collective exploration thread, not a Read My Chart thread. Moderators, please don't move it!

- No posts that deny or dispute the existence of ADD/ADHD. Those of us who live with ADD have all too often had our perceptions, ways of being, and very existence denied or dismissed. This thread is meant to validate our experiences, not deny them. If you want to argue over the validity of the diagnosis, take it somewhere else.

- If your post is longer than 4 or 5 sentences (or 2 or 3 very long sentences), break it into paragraphs no more than 4 or 5 sentences long, with spaces between them. That keeps the text readable to people who have difficulty reading long blocks of electronic text, which often coexists with ADD (personal experience with that here!).

- Only post your own chart, and only if you yourself have ADD/ADHD (or believe you do). If your son, sister, ex-boyfriend, etc. has ADD and you want to know what aspects might be involved, it's fine to mention that, but let's only look at charts for people who are present to provide feedback and share their experiences.
For the record, I was not a moderator when I created this thread, but the moderators at the time were on board with the ground rules I set, and wilsontc helped me enforce them. Now that I'm a moderator myself, I can and will edit or delete posts that go off topic by violating those ground rules. Doesn't mean I'll do that to any other thread anyone starts about ADD/ADHD, but those rules apply to this one.
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That is a very complex question. Speaking as someone with inattentive ADHD, who grew up undiagnosed... social isolation. Not being able to do anything right. Not being able to do well in school or the work world, even with a high IQ and everyone saying, "You're so smart!" Shame at not being able to keep a clean house. Possibly one reason I never married or had children.

And that's just my experience. From talking to other women with ADD, I know it's pretty common. For men, it may be a bit different--at the very least, men aren't expected to be as on top of everything as women... they're expected to have wives to keep them organized, not be the wife... but still some of the same applies.

If you really want a primer on it, I recommend Driven to Distraction by Edward Hallowell and John Ratey.
No.

You did. I know people your age who have it, and they've had it all their lives. But back then, it wasn't well recognized, and was usually written off as badness or stupidity or both. Or, in some cases, known as "minimal brain dysfunction." Calling it attention deficit disorder didn't come along until later. Labels change, but what they're labeling doesn't necessarily.
Probably about 5% or 6% of them do. That's the latest estimate for how much of the general population does. I doubt it's any different in Zimbabwe. But it can manifest differently depending on culture, worldview, and expectations. And it may be that they're less likely to be identified that way in Zimbabwe.
None, anymore than love affects deafness or blindness or cerebral palsy. But love does make life in general better, for us as for anyone else.


High doses of screen time can make neurotypical people act more like people with ADHD. But that's not the same thing. The ADHD brain is fundamentally different in some ways (brain scans have shown this).

By the same token, Uranus and Neptune and Pluto and Chiron have always existed, but not always been known to astronomers, let alone astrologers. To tie this back to astrology (astrologically posts only in astrological forums!), it seems to me that awareness of ADD/ADHD, in this particular way, correlates with what the outer planets are doing. Up thread, it's been mentioned that the explosion in diagnoses coincided with the Uranus/Neptune conjunction in Capricorn.
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FYI... I wasn't denying or disputing anything.

As I said at the outset I know nothing about these ailments.

It has been in the news for several years that a drug used to treat these conditions has caused serious problems (school shootings, suicides, etc.). The incestuous relationship between doctors and drug companies is beyond question, I think. And the DSM is known to be a means of "communication" between the diagnostic clinician and insurance companies.
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FYI... I wasn't denying or disputing anything.

As I said at the outset I know nothing about these ailments.

It has been in the news for several years that a drug used to treat these conditions has caused serious problems (school shootings, suicides, etc.). The incestuous relationship between doctors and drug companies is beyond question, I think. And the DSM is known to be a means of "communication" between the diagnostic clinician and insurance companies.
Thanks for clearing that up.

Most of the drugs prescribed for ADHD are stimulants. Ritalin, the classic one, is speed by another name. If used by someone with ADHD to treat their condition, it treats their condition, and doesn't make them react violently or suicidally at all. However, plenty of neurotypicals abuse those drugs, and in that case, it can create violent impulses.

Also, lots of people with ADHD take meds for depression, anxiety, or both, because those conditions frequently coexist with ADHD (always being wrong and having it denied, or being identified but then othered, is a great way to create depression and anxiety!), and those drugs are well known to have violence or suicide as possible side effects, whether or not ADHD is involved. Some of those antidepressant/antianxiety drugs may be prescribed for ADHD alone because they have some effect on that as well.

Completely agreed about the incestuous relationship between drug companies and doctors. It does lead to more drugs being prescribed than are actually needed. But, I'm an herbalist. I guess I'm biased in favor of the healing plants people have been using for millennia.

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It has been in the news for several years that a drug used to treat these conditions has caused serious problems (school shootings, suicides, etc.).
And to further address this, I just did a quick search, and apparently the ADHD drug "causing" school shootings has been thoroughly debunked. That was a myth spread by the NRA, to deflect from the fact that mass shootings require guns. There is actually no correlation at all between medication, for ADHD or anything else, and school shootings.
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And here's a repost of my chart, with Ceres:

from my point of view, the source of trouble (ADHD) in this chart is the square of Mercury with Neptune. (the mind have troubles with the thoughts they have hard time and swing to nebulous out of now and here)



I have this square and my Mercuy is in Pisces (this add an restless mind) with conj of the Jupiter (this reinforce and expand this erratic Mercury). Jupiter also have a square to with a Neptune. And Neptune is in conj. with MC so is very strong. There is no need to mention others challanging aspects...


An ADHD can not stand in place for long (must go from now and here) is restless


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ADHD here!

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For learning purposes, a chart with classic aspects.
Harsh Moon-Saturn-Uranus aspects ;
Mercury square Mars-Jupiter(H influence),
3rd house influence, with aspect between rulers Asc., 3rd and 6th houses.

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I have 11 square, 6 oppositions and 5 conjunctions. I also have 8 trines and 3 sextiles. Is that considered to be a lot of negative aspects compared to the amount of positive ones or is it a moderate amount?
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I have 11 square, 6 oppositions and 5 conjunctions. I also have 8 trines and 3 sextiles. Is that considered to be a lot of negative aspects compared to the amount of positive ones or is it a moderate amount?
Do you have ADD/ADHD, or suspect you do?

This thread is only for discussing the charts of people with diagnosed or suspected ADD/ADHD. If that's you, you need to make that clear. If that's not you, you may not post about your chart in this thread.
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What does that have to do with ADD/ADHD? This thread is about ADD/ADHD, not autism. If you want to talk about autism specifically, that should be another thread. If you mean to make some connection between autism and ADD/ADHD, please make it clear what connection you're making. If you're not making any connection with ADD/ADHD, your post is off topic.
I forgot about my 2017 post before you were the mod, you knew it had to do with ADD and ADHD. I was tested for ADD and there were similar symptoms of intense forgetfulness, easily distracted, lack of focus when I have to stay focused, easily goes off topic and feeling hyped (long rants or talking spells). Note I have an Uranus (Scorpio) square sun and moon (Aquarius) and it's thought to been a factor of a person is born with a neurological disorder or a form of neurodivergence.
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Attention Defecit Hyperactivity Disorder.

I just want to add that, apart from afflictions from/between Moon-Mercury-Saturn-Uranus, harsh Mars (activity)-Jupiter (hyper) have been observed to play a role in cases of ADHD.
The chart shows such afflictions, with Mercury, ruler Asc.(constitution) conjunct Mars to Jupiter opposition.

I work with the Placidus house system, which places the Scorpio stellium in the 6th house, with Mercury semi-square (predisposition towards dis-order) Pluto.
Like I've said in an earlier post on this thread, Mercury's position in natal charts along with Uranus are attributes of a person's intelligence, psyche, impairment and disability. Note my sun/moon is in 8th house and Uranus being Aquarius' ruler squares them (Uranus in 5th lodged in Scorpio). Mercurial communication skills can be impaired here, the kind of classic or typical traits of ADD/ADHD, also memory and focus is like a "broken TV/radio/computer" in my own mind.
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I have diagnosed ADD...among other things. Chiron conjunct Mercury 11th house Virgo, Hidalgo conjunct ASC 1st house Scorpio.
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I have been diagnosed ADD as adult. In my natal chart there is moon opposite uranus, saturn and neptune. Someone mentioned hard moon aspects earlier.

Also mercury neptune aspects.. There is long lasting neptune transit conjuncting my natal and progressed mercury, venus, sun. Whole my life neptune has been transiting near my natal or progressed mercury..



When i was 10-year-old transit neptune was conjunct my natal mercury. When i was 15-year-old transit neptune was conjunct my natal venus and progressed mercury.

When i was 20-year-old transit neptune was conjunct my natal sun and progressed mercury.
When i was 25-year-old transit neptune was conjunct my progressed mercury.

When i was 30-year-old transit neptune was still conjunct my progressed mercury
When i turn 35-year-old trasit neptune is conjunct my progressed mercury and venus
When 40-year-old transit neptune conjunct my progressed sun, venus, mercury stellium
45-year-old transit neptune conjunct my progressed sun, venus, mercury stellium and square my natal neptune.



So.. long neptune transit is following my progressed planets. When my progressed planets move, so move transiting neptune.

I work in creative field and i have wonderful imagination but i'm just scatterbrained and dreamer.
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