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Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

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next planet equally important in overall rulership of a nativity
besides Oikodespotes
aka domicile master of the chart


is
KURIOS aka Lord of the nativity.

Kurios is the executor of the agenda
that Oikodespotes aka domicile master holds.

Determination of whether

SATURN SOLE DOMICILA RULER OF AQUARIUS may be Kurios
is determined from the following candidates

1. Ascendant sign.

Establish whether any planet(s) are in the Ascendant sign
AND bounds of the ascending degree.

2. Domicile Lord of Ascendant.

3. Moon and its Domicile Lord

4. Tenth sign from ascendant and its Domicile Lord

5. Lot of Fortune and its Domicile Lord.

6. Any planets that make phasis in the chart.

include planets that make a first or second station seven days

before
or
after

nativity.

7. The bound lord of the pre-natal lunation.


Kurios aka The Lord of the nativity
is determined using the above hierarchy
AND
is also fit to conduct its business



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"...SYZYGY...”

refers to

Full or New Moon
directly preceding the natal

BOUND lord of SYZYGY is NOT the DECAN Lord

The BOUNDS are a system of dividing each zodiacal sign into 5 unequal regions
The regions are called BOUNDS or TERMS.
Each of the five bounds of a sign is ruled by one of the five planets

i.e.
the non-Lights.


Egyptian Bounds - some variation in ancient literature
in which bounds were of different lengths or ruled by different planets.
For instance, check out the different table of bounds at Altair astrology.

However, the so-called EGYPTIAN BOUNDS are independently attested in many ancient sources.

Additionally, the EGYPTIAN BOUNDS have been found in early horoscopes recovered by archaeologists

Using Bounds
The bound ruler of a planet or point, such as the Ascendant
has an influence over the nature of that planet or point.
The bound is link between the two.

SIGNS as the houses of the planets
and the BOUNDS are comparable to their rooms.

Additionally, the bounds are key
to certain predictive techniques in Hellenistic and Persian astrology.
For instance
the bound ruler of the directed Ascendant
an important time lord

THE DISTRIBUTOR.
You can find
a great set of charts of the various systems of bounds on the Altair Astrology site.



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JUPITERASC,


Thank you for clarifying on what you meant by "bound".


Recalculating:


1. Jupiter is on the Ascendant, and the bound lord of the Ascendant is Mercury



2. Ascendant is ruled by Mercury


3. The moon is in Virgo, Virgo is ruled by Mercury



4. 10th house is ruled by Saturn and contains Mercury


5. Lot of Fortune is found in the 7th house, in the domicile of Jupiter


6. No planets seem to make Phasis, however Venus does station retrograde



7. The prenatal lumination is found in the bounds of Jupiter


Again, it seems like a tie with Jupiter and Mercury.

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JUPITERASC,
Thank you for clarifying on what you meant by "bound".
Recalculating:


1. Jupiter is on the Ascendant, and the bound lord of the Ascendant is Mercury
2. Ascendant is ruled by Mercury
3. The moon is in Virgo, Virgo is ruled by Mercury
4. 10th house is ruled by Saturn and contains Mercury
5. Lot of Fortune is found in the 7th house, in the domicile of Jupiter
6. No planets seem to make Phasis, however Venus does station retrograde
7. The prenatal lumination is found in the bounds of Jupiter
Again, it seems like a tie with Jupiter and Mercury.


Quote:

.....Kurios aka The Lord of the nativity
is determined using previously detailed hierarchy

AND THEN
IS ALSO
fit to conduct its business


so then decide WHICH of these two candidate planets
is most fit to conduct its business

while
keeping in mind the
two separate approaches
for the determination of the Lord of the Nativity being:

Approach One:
The Lord of the Nativity is the domicile lord of the Midheaven IF this planet is angular.

If it is NOT ANGULAR then:

The Lord of the Nativity is a planet in the Midheaven/10th house.

If no planet in the Midheaven then
The Lord of the Natavity is a planet in the 11th house


the other Approach already detailed

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An important consideration in Hellenistic Astrology
is whether a planet is “...able to conduct its business....”

for example:

Conditions relative to the zodiac:
If a planet is in one of its own places
– i.e. domicile, exaltation, bound/term
– then that planet is able to conduct its business.


Note: If a planet is in a place of a sect mate
i.e. if the planet's dispositor is another planet of the same sect
and/or “....political party...”
then
that planet has some fitness and/or ability to conduct its business
- BUT it has to use the resources of its planetary sect mate.


For example, the diurnal sect planets are Sun, Jupiter and Saturn, and so
if Jupiter is in the domicile/exaltation/bounds of Sun or Saturn
Jupiter is able to conduct business
BUT Jupiter has to rely on Sun or Saturn for support.


According to Robert Schmidt http://www.projecthindsight.com/

a planet in its own place
i.e. in domicile, rulership, exaltation, bounds/terms
is situated
as if “....travelling in a shaded chariot....”
- thus even if that planet is combust
the planet can be effective and is able to conduct its business
Schmidt advises that, in today's terms

“...travelling in a shaded chariot...” is comparable to travelling in a limo
with the blinds drawn over windows of dark shaded glass.

So far as Hellenistic astrology is concerned
the ability of a planet to conduct its business is assessed in specific ways:
one of those assessments states that a planet can conduct business
when in the place of a sect mate:
Schmidt says HELLENISTIC SECT is a condition relevant to the sun
Conditions relative to Sun are:
When a planet is in sect, it is favorable to the native.
When a planet is out of sect, it is unfavorable to the native.
the Diurnal planets - Sun, Jupiter and Saturn
- are favorable in diurnal charts
and unfavorable in nocturnal charts.
The Nocturnal planets
- Moon, Venus and Mars
- are favorable in nocturnal charts
and
unfavorable in diurnal charts.

Schmidt says that the Hellenistic definition of sect
DIFFERS FROM the medieval definition of sect
because
Hellenistically sect is simply determined from the chart itself
i.e.
for diurnal charts, Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are in sect
and
Venus, Moon and Mars are contrary to sect.
For nocturnal charts
Venus, Moon and Mars are in sect
and
Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are contrary to sect.

The other definitions of sect found in Medieval Astrology are the rejoicing conditions.


Good
The Benefic of the sect is good
- i.e. Jupiter in diurnal chart
and
Venus in nocturnal chart
and
the destructiveness of the Malefic of the sect
can be used for the benefit of native
rather than against the native
- i.e against others = good for the native but not good for others

A Malefic contrary to sect is bad
i.e. Saturn in a nocturnal chart
and
Mars in diurnal chart
A Benefic contrary to sect aka NOT BELONGING TO THE "...political party in power..."
cannot pursue its own agenda.
Schmidt uses the analogy of its best function being that of "...the loyal opposition..."


There are other conditions
governing whether the business conducted by the planets
is favorable or unfavorable, these are

a) Conditions relative to the horizon:

If a planet in a whole sign house is configured to the ascendant/aspects the ascendant by whole sign
- then the planet is said to manifest its favorable significations to the native.
i.e.
if a planet is in house 1/3/4/5/7/9/10/11
then that planet can manifest its favorable significations to the native

If a planet is in a whole sign house in aversion to the ascendant
- i.e.
houses 2/6/8/12
- then the planet is said
to manifest its unfavorable significations to the native.

Example of how various combinations could work out when applied to a natal chart:
A planet in 8th house is fit to conduct its business
but that business is unfavorable to the native
as the 8th house is the Idle House in Hellenistic astrology.

A planet in the 7th house is fit and favorable
but is more favorable to others rather than to the native
because the 7th house is in opposition to the first house.

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JUPITERASC,



Looking between the two planets -



Mercury is dignified by being second trigon lord - not the best but dignity nonetheless


Mercury makes aspects to nearly all the sect mates - overcomes saturn in a square, trines Jupiter


Jupiter is dignified by face - and also by being the third trigon lord of gemini



It has interaction with the sect mates (and also some out of sect mates)


so perhaps I would judge as Mercury being the overall winner in this case.


What is your opinion?
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JUPITERASC,
Looking between the two planets -

Mercury is dignified by being second trigon lord - not the best but dignity nonetheless
Mercury makes aspects to nearly all the sect mates - overcomes saturn in a square, trines Jupiter
Jupiter is dignified by face - and also by being the third trigon lord of gemini
It has interaction with the sect mates (and also some out of sect mates)
so perhaps I would judge as Mercury being the overall winner in this case.
What is your opinion?

MERCURY the SHAPESHIFTER

belongs to the diurnal sect when rising as a MORNING STAR
and
belongs to the nocturnal sect when setting as an EVENING STAR
and so
discern whether natal mercury is a Morning or an Evening star


MERCURY ADAPTING SHAPESHIFTING ABILITIES



Mercury as a MORNING STAR is of the diurnal sect
whether or not that sect is in favour.
Mercury as a morning star is the Sun’s co-sectarian
along with Saturn and Jupiter.
Mercury as an EVENING STAR is of the nocturnal sect
whether or not that sect is in favour.
Mercury as an evening star is the Moon’s co-sectarian
along with Venus and Mars
and so
If the chart is a DAY CHART
THEN
the diurnal sect is in favour
and the Sun is the sect leader
and Jupiter and Saturn are the planets of the sect in favour:
and IF Mercury is a MORNING STAR, then Mercury too is of the sect in favour.

If the chart is a NIGHT CHART
then the nocturnal sect is in favour
and the Moon is the sect leader
and Venus and Mars are of the sect in favour:
and if Mercury is an EVENING STAR, then Mercury too is of the sect in favour



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MERCURY the SHAPESHIFTER

belongs to the diurnal sect when rising as a MORNING STAR
and
belongs to the nocturnal sect when setting as an EVENING STAR
and so
discern whether natal mercury is a Morning or an Evening star


MERCURY ADAPTING SHAPESHIFTING ABILITIES



Mercury as a MORNING STAR is of the diurnal sect
whether or not that sect is in favour.
Mercury as a morning star is the Sun’s co-sectarian
along with Saturn and Jupiter.
Mercury as an EVENING STAR is of the nocturnal sect
whether or not that sect is in favour.
Mercury as an evening star is the Moon’s co-sectarian
along with Venus and Mars
and so
If the chart is a DAY CHART
THEN
the diurnal sect is in favour
and the Sun is the sect leader
and Jupiter and Saturn are the planets of the sect in favour:
and IF Mercury is a MORNING STAR, then Mercury too is of the sect in favour.

If the chart is a NIGHT CHART
then the nocturnal sect is in favour
and the Moon is the sect leader
and Venus and Mars are of the sect in favour:
and if Mercury is an EVENING STAR, then Mercury too is of the sect in favour




Mercury is indeed the Morning star for me
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NATURE OF SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
'....Therefore, the nature of Saturn is cold, dry, melancholic
dark, of heavy harshness.

And perhaps he will be cold [and] moist
heavy, of stinking odor
and he is of much eating and true esteem.

And he signifies works of moisture and the cultivation of land
and peasants, and village companions
and the settlement of lands
also buildings and waters and rivers
and the quantities or measures of things
and the divisions of the earth
also affluence and a multitude of assets
and masteries which are done by hand
greed and the greatest poverty and the poor. ....'

The Introductions to Traditional Astrology:
Abu Ma'shar & al-Qabisi from which this passage is extracted,
is available for purchase directly from Ben via his personal website.


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Planets have Joy in SIGNS as well as HOUSES


the 12th House is - among other things
a house of Sorrow, Slavery and Imprisonment

Saturn is all about restricting
restraining
shackling
sorrow
and so
Saturn has its JOY in 12th house
because Saturn loves it there for those reasons


SATURN also REJOICES in AQUARIUS
and so
an AQUARIUS 12th house Malefic SATURN rejoices
in all the misery, restraining, shackling, sorrow and so on


SATURN transits each house for 2.5 YEARS
UNLESS RETROGRADE


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I use Rumen Kolevs parans software

https://www.babylonianastrology.com/

Paranatellonta are stars or star groups that fall upon angles
at the same time that a significant constellation
or
planet
such as for example
SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
is also upon the angles
They are viewed as attendants.

In ancient astrology the term was also applied to the constellations
that ascended with the zodiacal decans.
the term Paran (short for Paranatellonta)
is generally used to describe
stars or planets that are angular as a planet hits the ascendant
MC
Descendant
or
IC.

For example, the parans of SATURN would be
those stars or planets
that were rising, culminating, descending
or located upon the IC
at the same time that SATURN is in any or those positions.
Thus if the fixed star Regulus culminates on the Midheaven
as SATURN rises on the ascendant
it is referred to as a paran of SATURN
and considered to have an influence upon its meaning.
https://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/paran.html


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SECT IN ASTROLOGY


SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS IS A DIURNAL PLANET



BRIEF overview of the concept of sect in astrology
which is
the difference between day charts
and night charts.


Sect is a fundamental concept used in Hellenistic astrology
only been recovered over the past THIRTY years
through translations of ancient texts.
this talk gives a broad introduction to sect
first by establishing
how pervasive the concept is in ancient astrology
and then
to demonstrate how it works in practice through chart examples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XfPLTQuB9M


In a diurnal chart
the Sun is the sect light AKA the leader of the sect
Jupiter and Saturn are planets of the Dirunal Sect.


If Saturn is above the horizon Diurnally - Saturn is happy

BUT
If below the horizon in the diurnal chart

Saturn is still of the diurnal sect
— still of the sect in favour
— but is not going to be as happy
as when Saturn is above horizon in diurnal chart





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FIVE Of The SEVEN Traditional Classical Planets
have BOTH a Day DOMICILE
&
A Night DOMICILE






NATURE OF SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

'...And he signifies travel by sea
and foreign travel [that is] far away and at great length, and bad.

And cleverness, envy and wits and seductions
and boldness in dangers and impediment, and hesitation
and being singular, and a scarcity of association with men
and pride and magnanimity and bluffing and bragging
and the subjection of men
also the managers of a kingdom
and of every work which comes to be with force and with evil and injuries

and a tendency to anger
even warriors and fettering and prison, also truth in words and esteem
and prudence and understanding
and experience, and offense, and obstinacy
and a multitude of thoughts and a depth of counsel
and insistence
and stubbornness in [his] method....'
Benjamin's Dykes' published work also contains introductions
and footnoted annotations.
For a pdf extract of material from various sections of his text see here.




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Ancient meanings of the houses elegantly combined
fundamental astrological concepts
such as the distinction between day and night
the benefic/malefic nature of the planets
the symbolism of diurnal motion
the rulerships and exaltations in the Thema Mundi
the Joys





An interview with Demetra George


Demetra George on Ancient Astrology in Theory and Practice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJwKHkFZLts


ANCIENT ASTROLOGY IN THEORY AND PRACTICE
A MANUAL OF TRADITIONAL TECHNIQUES
- Volume One: ASSESSING PLANETARY CONDITION.

a DETAILED INSTRUCTIONAL MANUAL
that teaches you not only the techniques of ancient astrology
but also is a workbook
that helps guide you through the PRACTICAL APPLICATION
of the techniques with exercises and examples.

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Saturn in own DOMICILE aka house AQUARIUS
is essentially dignified and powerful
shows an individual who gets along with authority
and respects rank and privilege and is responsible
cool headed, scientifically minded
and
usually has a talent for mathematics and computer science.
Frequently, this individual
will move up in the corporate ladder
to very distinguished heights.
They have respect for the law.
Sometimes this individual runs into crises
that force he/she to learn
that the spirit of the law is more important
than the letter of the law.
Generally this person will tend to lean to the political right.


IN A NOCTURNAL CHART Saturn is still essentially dignified
but the natives social status is likely to be less powerful.
The coldness of night elementally
concentrates that which is alike and unlike together.
This creates lack of clarity in social circumstances
or a feeling of being cramped socially.
If feeling trapped in unfavorable social circumstances for too long
the native may develop misanthropic tendencies.
source Curtis Manwaring DELPHIC ORACLE






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The Fifth House is also known as "...the Good Fortune..."
this place was considered to give signs for children.
When one of the water signs governs this place
it is said to be an indicator of fertility and abundance of children.

HOWEVER

The malefics were thought to be indicators of
the inability to have children especially in the case of SATURN.
In modern times, while this can still be true
Saturn has taken on the role of scientist
indicating that while the couple may still be naturally barren
they may still have children with the help of science.
This place also gives signs to the parent
as to what their relationship to their children will be like.
William Lilly wrote in "...Christian Astrology..."
that if Saturn, Mars or the South Node be in the 5th house
then the children will not be easily regulated
and are very averse to the parents.

Because the 5th is symbolic of the creative process
and at the biological level, children are the result.
On an emotional level, this is the house of our romantic lives
our playfulness
or recreation.
It is about having fun.
August when Sun is in the 5th sign every year
people commonly go to parks, fairgrounds, or on vacation.
After this comes labor day, Virgo
signifying that the party is over.
Quote:

But it's not the worst place.

NEVERTHELESS

5th isn't the best placement for Saturn
because fun just isn't in Saturn's vocabulary
neither is speculation or gambling
so any risk taking
is likely to bring negative consequences.


Even with the best expression of Saturn
spontaneity is likely to be a problem.
Saturn functions best here by being
very conservative in these matters.
You are also likely to run into unreasonable opposition
from others who do not want you to show your talents
especially if you are gifted in the arts.
The key to overcoming these difficulties lies in being conscious
overcoming any agnoia of what you produce and its effects upon others.

If you have children
they are likely to be very serious in temperament
or few in number, possibly an only child.
It is also possible that
it is an indication that the first born is destined to greatness

Thinking in terms of the process starting with the 1st
the 5th represents our coming out of our shell
- the 4th -
to show ourselves.
and our investments of ourselves in others.

This can take a material form as well
in terms of the investments we make on stocks.
The post ascensional houses
succedent
represent a cycle of the flow of capital.
The second represents our having capital.
The 5th therefore, since it is the 90 degree outgoing square
represents a challenge to what we have
signifying our expendatures and spending habits.
source: The Lost Horoscope X Files http://www.zodiac-x-files.com/


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That is why Jupiter is better than Saturn.

Unless he's inflating something horrible, then...well...
On that topic, Jup is in Aqua again, right?

Does it see (inflate) the incoming dreadful combo of Sun/Mars/Mercury?
GENERALISATION is tempting but unreliable



many considerations
including
RECEPTION which I have responded to on another thread,
applies in this case also


Reception by Domicile & Reception by Exaltation
are called "...Perfect Reception..."
and hold the most weight.

Receptions by triplicity, term or face are weaker.
technically speaking
reception may be by face alone
or term alone
but it would be a very weak reception

compared to the stronger ones
It's still a reception, just an IMPERFECT RECEPTION.
An imperfect reception isn't that noticeable.
It's there but it's relatively minor.
When the planet has at least two minor dignities that it's received in
THEN pay attention to it as a reception.

Some ancient traditional authors
gave them more weight when the planet is received in two minor dignities.
i.e.
a planet couldn't be received at all with just term, triplicity, or face
- it had to have at least two minor dignities
in order to even qualify as a reception.
Understanding what each of the dignities do
and
how they are different from each other
THEN it's clearer
that reception by anything other than Domicile and Exaltation
is WEAK
i.e.

common analogy is that no-one but the owner
or steward of the house
has the authority to invite anyone into that house
and allow anyone to use its resources.

So being a triplicity lord
and
being a bound lord
is not the same as being the Domicile lord.
NEVERTHELESS
A planet in its term has its nature reinforced
and
a planet in triplicity is supported.
The planet may not be the domicile lord
but it does have something to offer, even in that state.


study earliest available texts from the earliest to Lilly
and you'll see a subtle shift
in the way the minor dignities are interpreted.
Realisation of this subtlety adds to one's predictions. Instead of saying

'...Saturn in his own bounds is a little dignified...'
one can say
'....Saturn in his own bounds means that he will produce his own significations
while setting his own limits on these outcomes'


The analogies given by later astrologers
tend the emphasise the differing strengths of the dignities
but not the different functions.
Originally, Domicile lord seen as the steward of the house
Exaltation lord the owner who visits only occasionally
i.e.
it is a big deal when they are in residence
and
Bound lord is a servant attached to a particular room
like a chef or cook

The overall condition of the house
that is the building itself, by analogy
is found by its position from the ascendant and its aspects.
How well it is run, its relationship to its domicile lord
and that lord's condition.
Its occupants exact roles and manifestation is found via their bound lord.

Each planet works in the house it is in
WITH the Domicile lord hinting at
what end and purpose
and then
the Bound lord shows how it attempts to achieve that purpose.


Perfect Reception is by Sign, Exaltation
Triplicity AND Term
or
Triplicity AND Decan.
Reception is about "...allowing..."
A Planet that receives another Planet
is allowing that Planet to act.
When you come into my home (Sign/Exaltation)
you can eat all my food, drink all my beer
swim in my pool, shower.







a few significations of the Water-Pourer:
Quote:
Hellenistic Astrology - Zodiac
The image of the Water-Pourer aka AQUARIUS is masculine, diurnal, solid, watery
human, servile, eloquent, semi-infertile, handsome, standing
and of the east wind.

It indicates inquiries, affairs, crafts, water and property.
Depending on the placement of the houseruler
men born under the influence of Aquarius are burdened, envious, lying,
occasionally generous because of the uncontrollable flow of the Water-Pourer,
craftsmen, public, mystical, youthful, delicate, with beautiful figure and eyes
smooth hair, dizzy, beautiful manners, white, working with hard materials,
troubled by athletic training, artisans, wealthy, malicious
haters of their own families, incorrigible
making living by waterside places, betrayers of reputation and truth,
accusers, haters of mankind, godless and uncontrollable.
Domicile of Saturn, it controls the lower legs, the skeletal system,
the lymphatic system and the immune system.


The first 7° belong to Mercury - mastery, lovers of wisdom
The next 6° belong to Venus - friendships with great women
The next 7° belong to Jupiter - notable, some are winners of games
The next 5° belong to Mars - lawsuits, injuries, some die violent deaths
The final 5° belong to Saturn - education, grief in youth

Shoulders, Left Arm and Cloak - Saturn and Mercury
Thighs - Mercury and moderately Saturn
Water - Saturn and moderately Jupiter

Such, then, are the observations of the effects of the stars as made by our predecessors.


Bibliography:
Ludwich, A. (Ed.). (1877). Maximi et Ammonis carminum De actionum auspiciis reliquiae: accedunt Anecdota astrologica. BG Teubneri. Retrieved from
https://archive.org/details/maximiet...00ludw/page/n3
Manilius, & Goold, G. P. (1985). Astronomica. BG Teubner.
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Schmidt, R. The Astrological Record of the Early Greek Sages. Project Hindsight.
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf
JUPITER significations:

Quote:
Hellenistic Astrology - Seven Stars

Jupiter completes 6 sidereal cycles and 65 synodic cycles with 71 years.
It has retreating arcs of 10 degrees for 120 days.



Jupiter is heating and moderately moistening, benefic, masculine and diurnal.
Phaethon makes those born under him light, of good colour,
moderately curling hair, large eyes, tall, commanding respect,
having excess of hot and moist when morning rising
and light, with lank hair, bald in the front and on the crown
with average stature, having excess of moist when evening rising,
and in general, cooperating, distinguished, advising, truthful,
beneficent, efficient and outgoing.

Jupiter controls begetting of children, childbirth, faith, love, desire,
alliance, knowledge, justice, friendship with great men, prosperity,
payments, large gifts, abundance of profits, governments, honours,
authority over temples, arbitration of disputes, brotherhood,
fellowship, inheritances, adoption, fidelity, the livelihood of the father
confirmation of good things, deliverance from bad things, freedom,
entrustments, treasures, stewardship, athleticism and zealotry,
the reproductive system, the digestive system, the integumentary system
sacred objects, tin, brilliant colours and sweet tastes.
It is chronocrator over early old age up to the 68th year.

Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf

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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
and WHOLE SIGN HOUSES
Joseph Crane author of "A Practical Guide to Traditional Astrology"

shares with us his journey
through using house systems
then using no houses at all
and ultimately why he switched to Whole Sign Houses
and why you should do the same.

This conversation is timely, necessary
and brings up challenging considerations
but it also contains a rich and futuristic vision
of what Astrology can be
and
where we are going as a community
and
Why You should Switch to Whole Sign Houses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAcw56uvOgA



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The reverse is also true, overfeeling can lead to underthinking.
Mirror images
I - children of parents, friends of relatives, relatives of friends, husband of wife, parents of children
II - friends of parents, suffering of relatives, parents of friends, property of wife, fortune of children
III - suffering of parents, siblings of relatives, fortune of friends, travel of wife, injury of children
IV - siblings of parents, livelihood of relatives, injury of friends, action of wife, wives of children
V - livelihood of parents, relatives of relatives, wives of friends, friends of wife, property of children
VI - relatives of parents, parents of relatives, property of friends, suffering of wife, travel of children
VII - parents of parents, fortune of relatives, travel of friends, siblings of wife, children of children
VIII - fortune of parents, injury of relatives, children of friends, livelihood of wife, friends of children
IX - injury of parents, wives of relatives, friends of friends, relatives of wife, suffering of children
X - grandchildren of parents, property of relatives, suffering of friends, parents of wife, siblings of children
XI - property of parents, travel of relatives, siblings of friends, fortune of wife, livelihood of children
XII - travel of parents, action of relatives, livelihood of friends, injury of wife, relatives of children

Is it possible to avoid infinite regress of relatives in the odd numbered signs?
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Moderation in moderation leads to more moderation, not extremes actually.

This is why the mean is best virtue in some Eastern philosophies
and according to Aristotle. It is active, not passive
Moderately moderate = extremely moderate
The word you are looking for is immoderate.


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The opposite of exaltation (heightened) is depression (low height), but the language being used is in terms of height. The Sun is highest in Aries, and lowest in Libra. It is lower in Leo than Cancer as well, but it has affinity through domicile. - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...postcount=5779


The opposite of the exaltation is depression. The Greek hypsoma imply literal latitude. Pliny and Valens treat those as literal latitude. Ptolemy appears to be the first source with a completely seasonal rationale, perhaps he was aware of some technical flaw in the epicyclic theory.

Another fragment from the Michigan papyrus:
''Still other ethereal constellations revolve in their own circles. The Sun is in apogee in Gemini; Venus is in perigee in Pisces and in apogee in Virgo; Jupiter is in apogee in Cancer and in perigee in Capricorn'' - see Michigan Papyri, Vol III, Papyri in the University of Michigan Collection, Miscellaneous Papyri, Ed. John Garret Winter, University of Michigan Press, Ann Arbor, MI, 1936. Translation by F.E. Robbins.

Note that there is some inconsistency with the epicyclic theory since the Sun has apogee in Gemini (and is changing but they did not know about that until the Middle Ages) from a geocentric perspective. Perhaps the Sun and the Moon exaltations are seasonal (in the Babylonian zodiac) while the others are related to stations, and as such were then integrated into the epicyclic theories by the Greeks.

If the other five planets exaltations are related to epicyclic perigree and apogee, they were not meant to be used in a tropical zodiac due to how revolutions work (they do not have precession as noted by Ptolemy in Almagest 9.6). Last edited by petosiris; 11-04-2018 at 07:52 PM.


That is how the Greeks conceptualized them anyways, it has nothing to do with emotional considerations having precedence over rank and power, lol.

One can easily spot that Libra and Sagittarius are the domiciles of the benefics, yet adjacent to the planets' depression. The domicile definitely takes precedence to the placement by adjacency, yet the adjacency still takes some power away from the planets. Exaltations are better than domiciles, contrary to what some people think. If Mars in Aries is +4 from domicile and -1 from masculine sign, then Venus in Libra is +2 since it is a masculine sign (-1) and adjacent to its depression (-2). Venus still rejoices in Libra, but not as much as in Taurus and especially Pisces.
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positive characteristics of the Saturnian type
may be termed the good old-fashioned values

courtesy
decorum
and propriety.

Strong Saturnian types exude gravitas and take life seriously


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REMINDER



The following table


clearly illustrates
below the column headed HOUSE
that

SATURN IS SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

by the way

for beginners learning Traditional Astrology who do not know



HOUSE = DOMICILE
i.e.
House is aka Domicile






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'....SATURN signifies fraud


and
affliction
and
difficulty
and
loss

also ancestors and what is left behind by the dead, mourning
and being orphaned, and old things.....'
Benjamin Dykes translation of Abu Mashars GREAT INTRODUCTION
http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...enjamin-dykes/


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Joseph Crane says
the Greeks had no concept of combustion

"...Traditional astrologers are familiar with
the idea of '...combustion...'
if a planet is within eight degrees of the Sun
it is burnt up by the Sun

and is in a weakened condition.

This concept does not appear in the Hellenistic tradition
HOWEVER

its origin may be in the depiction of
a planet sunken within the Sun’s beams.

Does Saturn, being in a '...sunken...' condition
imply
that Saturn is no good as a planet for the native?
If so, this may be a particular problem
when Saturn, SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
governs many planets in Capricorn
as well as Aquarius..."





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https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...767#post920767


Sun onto SATURN favorably placed by day
effective for actions, wealth, joy and memories of ancient matters

When unfavorably placed by night, they cause dangers, inactivity,
judgements, bankruptcies, enmities with elders,
deaths of relatives, fearful sights and anxiety.


Chris Brennan
on the concept of reception
in traditional astrology
and
how it can be used as a powerful mitigating factor
in birth chart interpretation

Broadly speaking
reception occurs
when one planet is placed in a sign ruled by another planet
and
the ruler of the sign aspects the guest planet.

Since the signs of the zodiac were originally conceptualized
as the homes or dwelling places of the planets
reception was conceptualized as
what happens when a host planet welcomes and supports guests staying in its home.

Medieval astrologers often treated reception as a powerful mitigating factor
which could make aspects from benefics even more positive
or alternatively make difficult aspects from malefics more constructive.

First part of the lecture - history and philosophy behind this concept
while the second half presents contemporary chart examples
to demonstrate how the technique works in practice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwNTivlTws8


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Stars that precede are superior to those that follow
thus it is better for benefics to be on the right of malefics
and we say this for all assemblies, configurations and like-principles.

In every case it is necessary to

examine the assemblies and configurations with degree
for they become stronger the closer they are to their figures.

Like-principles of daylight, rising times and houserulers
cause harmonious affinity
but it will be very weak if the images are turned away.
It will be necessary to accurately measure
the distances between powerful stars
then measure the same or reverse from the Hour-Marker,
in order that
whatever relations the stars bear to each other
the Hour-Marker may bear to the Lots
and that they may be as they were Hour-Markers.

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OPPOSITE OF EXALTATION
IS
DEPRESSION

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The opposite of the exaltation is depression. The Greek hypsoma imply literal latitude. Pliny and Valens treat those as literal latitude. Ptolemy appears to be the first source with a completely seasonal rationale, perhaps he was aware of some technical flaw in the epicyclic theory.

Another fragment from the Michigan papyrus:
''Still other ethereal constellations revolve in their own circles. The Sun is in apogee in Gemini; Venus is in perigee in Pisces and in apogee in Virgo; Jupiter is in apogee in Cancer and in perigee in Capricorn'' - see Michigan Papyri, Vol III, Papyri in the University of Michigan Collection, Miscellaneous Papyri, Ed. John Garret Winter, University of Michigan Press, Ann Arbor, MI, 1936. Translation by F.E. Robbins.

Note that there is some inconsistency with the epicyclic theory since the Sun has apogee in Gemini (and is changing but they did not know about that until the Middle Ages) from a geocentric perspective. Perhaps the Sun and the Moon exaltations are seasonal (in the Babylonian zodiac) while the others are related to stations, and as such were then integrated into the epicyclic theories by the Greeks.

If the other five planets exaltations are related to epicyclic perigree and apogee, they were not meant to be used in a tropical zodiac due to how revolutions work (they do not have precession as noted by Ptolemy in Almagest 9.6).
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Saturn - Libra 21°
Jupiter - Cancer 15°
Mars - Capricorn 28°
Sun - Aries 19°
Venus - Pisces 27°
Mercury - Virgo 15°
Moon - Taurus 3°

The Ram exalts the Sun for it is the Midheaven of the Universe, royal, heating and drying because of Mars and the zenith, quadrupedal, running, masculine, ovecoming Cancer and configured through superior trigon with Leo - its own domicile. The 19th degree is especially exalting because of the recurrence years and the hind foot.

The Bull exalts the Moon for it is the Post-Ascension of the Midheaven, notable, slightly heating and moist because of Venus and the Good Daimon, horned in appearance, feminine, overcoming Leo and configured through superior hexagon with Cancer - its own domicile. The 3rd degree is especially exalting because of the appearance phase and the Pleiades.

The Scales exalt Saturn for they are the Anti-Midheaven of the Universe, changeable, cooling and death-bringing because of the subterranean, opposing the Sun, superior to Capricorn and configured through superior trigon with Aquarius - its own domicile. The 21st degree is especially exalting because of Alpha Librae.

The Crab exalts Jupiter for it is the Hour-Marker of the Universe, notable, airy and life-bringing because of the Moon and the rising, watery, superior to Libra and Scorpio and configured through trigon with Pisces - its own domicile. The 15th degree is especially exalting because of the head.

The Goat-Horned One exalts Mars for it is the Setting of the Universe, changeable, cooling and injuring because of Saturn and the west, opposing Jupiter, superior to Aries and Taurus and configured through hexagon with Scorpio - its own domicile. The 28th degree is especially exalting because of the tail.

The Fishes exalt Venus for they are the Pre-Ascension of the Midheaven, double-bodied, moist and most fertile because of the fish-goddess and the place, submerged, passionate, superior to Gemini and Cancer and configured through hexagon with Taurus - its own domicile. The 27th degree is especially exalting because of the northern fish.

The Maiden exalts Mercury for it is Pre-Ascension of the Anti-Midheaven, nocturnal, domicile of Mercury, eloquent, winged, opposing Venus and the post-ascension of Leo. The 15th degree is especially exalting because of the appearance and Gamma Virginis.

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Sun is depressed in Libra with obscurity and death.
Moon is depressed in Scorpio with loss of light and death.
Saturn is ''depressed'' in Aries for it afflicts kingship with extremely dry qualities.
Jupiter is depressed in Capricorn with cold and death.
Mars is ''depressed'' in Cancer for it harms life with burning caustic influence.
Venus is depressed in Virgo with infertility and virginity.
Mercury is depressed in Pisces with silence and water.

I will check the degrees later.
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Principles for the exaltations and depressions of the planets:
1. Configuration with Cancer.
- only Cancer, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Capricorn, Pisces, Aries and Taurus are eligible, the rest are rejected

2. Diurnal planets are configured through trigon with their domiciles.
- Sun - Aries
- Saturn - Virgo, Libra or Taurus
- Jupiter - Cancer, Scorpio or Aries

3. Nocturnal planets are configured through hexagon with their domiciles.
- Moon - Virgo or Taurus
- Mars - Virgo or Capricorn
- Venus - Cancer or Pisces

4. Affinity with the places - lights above the horizon, benefics in good places, malefics in bad places.
- Sun - Aries as Mc (action) opposite Ic
- Moon - Taurus as Good Daimon (gifts) opposite Good Fortune
- Saturn - Libra as Ic (death) opposite Mc
- Jupiter - Cancer as Asc (life) opposite Dsc
- Mars - Capricorn as Dsc (injury) opposite Asc

5. Affinity with the images and their domicile rulers - royalty, light, death, life, injury, fertility, eloquence. The best images become certain at this point.
- Sun - Aries is diurnal, royal, quadrupedal and running like Leo, domicile of burning and drying Mars, which has in common with the heating and slightly drying Sun
- Moon - Taurus is nocturnal, notable, horned in appearance, domicile of slightly heating and moistening Venus, same nature as the Moon
- Saturn - Libra is diurnal, common, judicial, economical, domicile of moistening and slightly heating Venus, contrary nature to the malefic, producing temperate admixture
- Jupiter - Cancer is notable, nurturing, domicile of the slightly heating and moistening Moon, producing excellent airy admixture
- Mars - Capricorn is nocturnal, servile, thievish, outrageous, domicile of Saturn, contrary nature to the malefic, producing temperate admixture
- Venus - Pisces is nocturnal, notable, most fertile and entirely submerged, domicile of Jupiter, producing excellent airy admixture
- Mercury - Virgo is nocturnal and post-ascending Leo at the same time, domicile of alternating between moisture and dryness Mercury, here having temperate admixture inclining towards the active and fertile element

6. Degrees cause cosmic appearances, or have connection with fixed stars.
Sun - Aries 19° - recurrence years and the hind foot, Mercury bound
Moon - Taurus 3° - appearance phase and the Pleiades, Venus bound
Saturn - Libra 21° - chains and Alpha Librae, Jupiter bound
Cancer 15° - head and the degrees after the Beehive Cluster, Mercury bound
Mars - Capricorn 28° - tail which is of the nature of Saturn and Jupiter, Mars bound
Venus - Pisces 27° - northern fish which is of the nature of Jupiter and moderately Venus, Mars bound
Mercury - Virgo 15° - evening rising and Gamma Librae, Venus bound

7. Depressions are the opposite degrees of the exaltations because of inherent contrariety.
- Sun is depressed in Libra with obscurity and death. 19th degree due to the chains and the presence of Saturn. Jupiter bound.
- Moon is depressed in Scorpio with loss of light and death. 3th degree due to the waning of the Moon and the claws which cause them. Mars bound.
- Saturn is ''depressed'' in Aries for it afflicts kingship with extremely dry qualities. 21st degree due to the hind foot and the presence of the Sun. Mars bound.
- Jupiter is depressed in Capricorn with cold and death. 15th degree of Capricorn due to the change of body, Venus bound.
- Mars is ''depressed'' in Cancer for it harms life with burning caustic influence. 28th degree due to the pincers. Saturn bound.
- Venus is depressed in Virgo with infertility and virginity. 27th degree due to the feet. Mars bound.
- Mercury is depressed in Pisces with silence and water. 15th degree due to the being in the middle of the sea. Jupiter bound
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According to Dorotheus and Manetho, Mars being in the sign or bound of Saturn, transiting or distributing to it is actually good, the reverse is bad. It depends on which planet is the transmitter, and which is the receiver (domicile ruler in this case). Inb4 conflict with depression of Saturn and exaltation of Mars.

The planets are stronger in signs closer to their exaltations, especially the ones adjacent, and they are weaker near their depressions. This is naturally resulting from their circular orbits including their epicyclical apogees and perigees, for they are exalted at one degree and one sign, but depressed at the opposite, and gradation of power ensues, as follows.

Exaltation at the degree + 9
Exaltation within 3° + 8
Exaltation within 7° + 7
Exaltation within 15° + 6
Exaltation + 5
Exaltation within two images/adjacent + 2
Exaltation within three images/exalting hemicycle + 1

Depression within 3° - 8
Depression within 7° - 7
Depression within 15° - 6
Depression - 5
Depression within two images/adjacent - 2
Depression within three images/depressing hemicycle - 1

Two signs are neutral, for example Cancer and Capricorn are neither exalting, nor depressing the Sun, they are neutral. Some astrologers like Valens used quadrants from exaltation degrees, others divided them into 24 steps, still others said that the sign succeeding the exaltation is bad.
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THE NATURE of SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
is

Masculine, diurnal
cold and dry
melancholic
earthly
malevolent
the Greater Infortune
Author of solitariness

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HELLENISTIC ASTROLOGY uses CHRONOCRATORS
Chrono = Time
Crator = Ruler
aka TIME RULERS
aka TIME LORDS

Valens explains in Book Seven that
there can be - and often are - at any one time, several Time Lords
and so

according to Valens if these Time Lords are all benefics
the judgement is for a beneficial year.
but if these TIME LORDS are all benefics mixed with malefics as well
then the judgement is for a mixed year
If these TIME LORDS are all malefics judgement is for a difficult year

Vettius Valens explains in detail in THE ANTHOLOGY
FREE to read online pdf translated from the original Ancient Greek
at
https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf

Book Seven of THE ANTHOLOGY by Vettius Valens states
'....Take the ascensional time of a sign
and count it up with the period of the planet in this sign.
The sum gives a particular year.

TABLE OF ASCENSIONAL ARCS OF ZODIAC SIGNS
is viewable at http://www.projecthindsight.com/imag...nsionTimes.pdf

Rhetorius translation by James Holden provides a chart example
which states that effect of planet lasts until its period ends.
more info for interested at https://patrickwatsonastrology.com/i...XVZVt6W9a7SJq0

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Traditional Rulerships


SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

Direction:
All air signs relate to the west.
Aquarius relates to west by north.


Anatomy:
Aquarius governs the shins and ankles
and through its rulership by SATURN
relates generally to the bones, teeth, joints and skeletal structure.

As an air sign
AQUARIUS has some rulership over circulation of the blood
and breath.

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FREE Personal Transit Calendar
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and it's annual aspects:

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Quote:


HELLENISTIC ASTROLOGY uses CHRONOCRATORS
Chrono = Time
Crator = Ruler
aka TIME RULERS
aka TIME LORDS

Valens explains in Book Seven that
there can be - and often are - at any one time, several Time Lords
and so

according to Valens if these Time Lords are all benefics
the judgement is for a beneficial year.
but if these TIME LORDS are all benefics mixed with malefics as well
then the judgement is for a mixed year
If these TIME LORDS are all malefics judgement is for a difficult year

Vettius Valens explains in detail in THE ANTHOLOGY
FREE to read online pdf translated from the original Ancient Greek
at
https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf

Book Seven of THE ANTHOLOGY by Vettius Valens states
'....Take the ascensional time of a sign
and count it up with the period of the planet in this sign.
The sum gives a particular year.

TABLE OF ASCENSIONAL ARCS OF ZODIAC SIGNS
is viewable at http://www.projecthindsight.com/imag...nsionTimes.pdf

Rhetorius translation by James Holden provides a chart example
which states that effect of planet lasts until its period ends.
more info for interested at https://patrickwatsonastrology.com/i...XVZVt6W9a7SJq0
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...635#post991635



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