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Re: How do you interpret oppositions that aren't in opposite signs?

Here are some other interesting thoughts on the topic:

https://www.llewellyn.com/journal/article/2563

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Re: How do you interpret oppositions that aren't in opposite signs?

From Fred Gettings' book The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology:
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Aspects Term applied to a large number of specific angular relationships between planets and other celestical bodies or nodal points.
ElenaJ makes the most important point here: aspects are defined by their arc space relationship. A planet at 2959' Pisces is always conjunct another planet at 000' Aries (or any other similar adjacent sign pair). Under no circumstances are those considered semi-sextile by any tradition or theory.

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I would respectfully challenge the assertion that aspects are geometric, if, by that, you mean numerically, or degree based.

In the evolution of astrological thought, I would strongly suggest that aspects first were defined by sign long before geometry/degrees were applied to determine aspect:
That is, conjunctions were in the same sign.
Trines were signs of the same element.
Squares/oppositions were in signs of the same mode [ie, the bodies were all in fixed signs, or all in cardinal signs, etc.]
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Aspects are geometry by their very definition. Just because an astrology student may use the signs as a way of trying to visually locate an aspect on the chart does not change that. A square is always 90. That's geometry. That it occurs in an astrological context doesn't change it.
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Re: How do you interpret oppositions that aren't in opposite signs?

It isn't the signs that determine the aspect, it's the degrees.
But the signs involved determine the quality of the energy that is passing between the planets in aspect.

An opposition of two planets at zero Aries and zero libra manifests one way.
An opposition of two planets at zero Aries and 29 virgo manifests in a different way.

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Well, I'm so Sign-oriented, I think I'll change my mind and agree with Aqua 7000.

Also, from my own personal perspective, I would have a Grand Trine with Sun/Jupiter/Saturn if the degree outweighed the Element, and I'm really not feeling it.

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Re: How do you interpret oppositions that aren't in opposite signs?

Tsmall once said out-of-sign oppositions are worse than in-sign oppositions because they can't "see each other." If I understood her correctly, they affect each other like an opposition but don't know where it is coming from. The inability to identify the threat means the tension goes unresolved.


I just thought I would throw that in there.
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Tsmall once said out-of-sign oppositions are worse than in-sign oppositions because they can't "see each other." If I understood her correctly, they affect each other like an opposition but don't know where it is coming from. The inability to identify the threat means the tension goes unresolved.


I just thought I would throw that in there.
This is exactly what happens, and it becomes more difficult to resolve the tension of the opposition.
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I wouldn't call the out-of-Sign Aspect a true Opposition. More like a "Disconnection".
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I wouldn't call the out-of-Sign Aspect a true Opposition. More like a "Disconnection".
But why would you call them disconnected? Why do you think they are disconnected as in the cause?
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But why would you call them disconnected? Why do you think they are disconnected as in the cause?
Nothing in common. In a true Opposition, they're of the same Modality and close to the same Sign-degree.

In an out-of-Sign "opposition", they're of different Modality, different Element, and at the extremes of difference in Sign-degree.

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Using in-Sign Oppositions = Sign astrology + Aspect astrology


Using out-of-Sign Oppositions = Aspect astrology - Sign astrology

Same as ignoring Aspects in Sign astrology.

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