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Unread 01-12-2015, 11:32 PM
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Re: Did she alter text and emails messages from me and forward them to our mutual fri

Vista,

As your ruler, Saturn is cjt the tenth, your reputation, this definitely describes you in this query. As in a trial the tenth is the judge, and as a moderator you are one of the judges. Lilly's 'five degree rule' applies here as Lilly points out when a planet is on the cusp '..the virtue of that planet is given to that house..'. However, in my opinion, Saturn's placement in the 9th is so relevant as the 9th is the house of morality and integrity, and this is your concern, her manipulation of the emails or causing you damage due to her communication.

I'm not saying that with the moon in late degrees it can not be judged, but I'm asking all of us to pay attention to what other worthy horary artists have noted on this Moon dilemma.

Note what Sue Ward says in Moon in late degrees in the following:

http://www.horary.com/sward/Consids.html

Or this document in, Where is the Moon?

http://mithras93.tripod.com/lessons/...1/lesson1.html

Or in the following document, Considerations of the Moon in Late Degrees:

http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~suewar...of%20lilly.htm

Or note in this website's, Considerations before Judgment:

http://astrology.org.ua/horary-e.htm

I on the other hand note the Partile opposition that perfected fast and that is why tonight I'm going to hand calculate the Antiscia because that Partile aspect is just too noteworthy as in the following definition of Partile.


http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/partile.html

I think the Late Degree Moon has many of us stumped upon this horary but it's readable.


Tomorrow my Antiscia findings may shed some light.




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Thank you Marinka. I understand now the chart was not radical however you are correct, this was the specific question/issue I wanted to know.

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Vista, I just wanted to add that your framing of your question was good. It was specific and objective -- I wouldn't change a thing.


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Thank you for your time and for all the links! It seems based on Sue Ward, late degree Moon is malefic towards the Querent. Since Moon is in the house of my enemy and approaching a partile opposition to Mars on my ASC with Mars ruling the Questieds communication, this leads me to believe there was manipulation of emails/or text messages. Perhaps late degree also means nothing will come of it.
Thank you again!

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Vista,

As your ruler, Saturn is cjt the tenth, your reputation, this definitely describes you in this query. As in a trial the tenth is the judge, and as a moderator you are one of the judges. Lilly's 'five degree rule' applies here as Lilly points out when a planet is on the cusp '..the virtue of that planet is given to that house..'. However, in my opinion, Saturn's placement in the 9th is so relevant as the 9th is the house of morality and integrity, and this is your concern, her manipulation of the emails or causing you damage due to her communication.

I'm not saying that with the moon in late degrees it can not be judged, but I'm asking all of us to pay attention to what other worthy horary artists have noted on this Moon dilemma.

Note what Sue Ward says in Moon in late degrees in the following:

http://www.horary.com/sward/Consids.html

Or this document in, Where is the Moon?

http://mithras93.tripod.com/lessons/...1/lesson1.html

Or in the following document, Considerations of the Moon in Late Degrees:

http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~suewar...of%20lilly.htm

Or note in this website's, Considerations before Judgment:

http://astrology.org.ua/horary-e.htm

I on the other hand note the Partile opposition that perfected fast and that is why tonight I'm going to hand calculate the Antiscia because that Partile aspect is just too noteworthy as in the following definition of Partile.


http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/partile.html

I think the Late Degree Moon has many of us stumped upon this horary but it's readable.


Tomorrow my Antiscia findings may shed some light.




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Re: Did she alter text and emails messages from me and forward them to our mutual fri

Vista,

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Thank you for your time and for all the links! It seems based on Sue Ward, late degree Moon is malefic towards the Querent. Since Moon is in the house of my enemy and approaching a partile opposition to Mars on my ASC with Mars ruling the Questieds communication, this leads me to believe there was manipulation of emails/or text messages. Perhaps late degree also means nothing will come of it.
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Thank you again!
If the first aspect to the lord of the matter, the 9th, ruled by Scorpio, her(open enemy) communications, with 4 minutes applying if it could hold up it would be a No, she did Not manipulate the data.


However Lilly did Not use only one testimony to arrive at his judgments and few before him did as well, those artists Lilly bases much of his work upon.

There is another problem which has been reflected upon by the various posters in their judgment and that is this element. Vista, as Saturn is Not actually within the 5 degree paramenter of the cusp of the 10th, I'd ask you to check your clock to the times available on the web for accurate precision as according to your horary 10th's cusp Saturn is beyond by 19 minutes of the tenth and that doesn't change either in Regiomontanus nor Placidus to my understanding.

William Lilly, Christian Astrology II, page 297, is pertaining to Seventh House matters:


"APHORISMS and Considerations for better judging any HORARY QUESTION.
3. The position of Saturn or Mars in the 10th, and they


peregrine or unfortunate, the South Node in that house, the

Artist hardly gets credit by that Question."



I haven't yet checked out whether Peregrine or

Unfortunate as there are no harsh Ptolemaic aspects to your

ruler, Saturn.

As I said I would using Antiscia, the Antiscia of Mars, lord of the matter, and Saturn the ruler of the ASc. and the significator of the Ascendant are as follows:

Mars at 27 Aqu 05 gives 2 sco 55, a Contrascion of 2 tau 55

Saturn at 1 sag 37 gives 28 sag 23, Contrascion 28 gem 23

As I understand none of these are in conjunction to any
planet, so nothing is applying here. However Lilly used
the Antiscia to Regiomontanus house cusps of which you
haven't posted as of yet a Regio house overlay whereby to
check if this applies.

These Antiscia websites may help:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=30658

http://www.astrologycom.com/antiscion.html

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/antiscia.html

http://mithras93.tripod.com/lessons/lesson6/

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/antiscia.html

http://starlightknightastrology.com/...re-antiscions/

http://www.horary.com/gloss1.html

http://noeltyl.com/discussion/index.php?topic=5149.0

http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/b4...2-6dfffde53785

https://altairastrology.wordpress.co...-the-solstice/

It is my understanding that Firmicus used more than conjunctions and oppositions in his Antiscia where Lilly did Not.


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Re: Did she alter text and emails messages from me and forward them to our mutual fri

One note about the moon in late degrees ...

In this case I would expect to see the moon in late degrees as the moon identifies the series of events as well as a basis for the question. You are asking whether an act was done ... not, whether an act will be done. Since you are asking about an act in the past, previous aspects rather then future ones provide the answer. If you were asking about acts in the future, future aspects would provide the answer.

So, the moon in late degrees in this horary is pretty much saying that nothing else is happening going forward with this question which is the case as the question had nothing to do with the future ....
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ZG, I erected the chart at the exact moment of my question so the time is correct. I really don't understand the use of Antiscia. Again, thank you for all the links.

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Vista,



If the first aspect to the lord of the matter, the 9th, ruled by Scorpio, her(open enemy) communications, with 4 minutes applying if it could hold up it would be a No, she did Not manipulate the data.


However Lilly did Not use only one testimony to arrive at his judgments and few before him did as well, those artists Lilly bases much of his work upon.

There is another problem which has been reflected upon by the various posters in their judgment and that is this element. Vista, as Saturn is Not actually within the 5 degree paramenter of the cusp of the 10th, I'd ask you to check your clock to the times available on the web for accurate precision as according to your horary 10th's cusp Saturn is beyond by 19 minutes of the tenth and that doesn't change either in Regiomontanus nor Placidus to my understanding.

William Lilly, Christian Astrology II, page 297, is pertaining to Seventh House matters:


"APHORISMS and Considerations for better judging any HORARY QUESTION.
3. The position of Saturn or Mars in the 10th, and they


peregrine or unfortunate, the South Node in that house, the

Artist hardly gets credit by that Question."



I haven't yet checked out whether Peregrine or

Unfortunate as there are no harsh Ptolemaic aspects to your

ruler, Saturn.

As I said I would using Antiscia, the Antiscia of Mars, lord of the matter, and Saturn the ruler of the ASc. and the significator of the Ascendant are as follows:

Mars at 27 Aqu 05 gives 2 sco 55, a Contrascion of 2 tau 55

Saturn at 1 sag 37 gives 28 sag 23, Contrascion 28 gem 23

As I understand none of these are in conjunction to any
planet, so nothing is applying here. However Lilly used
the Antiscia to Regiomontanus house cusps of which you
haven't posted as of yet a Regio house overlay whereby to
check if this applies.

These Antiscia websites may help:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=30658

http://www.astrologycom.com/antiscion.html

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/antiscia.html

http://mithras93.tripod.com/lessons/lesson6/

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/antiscia.html

http://starlightknightastrology.com/...re-antiscions/

http://www.horary.com/gloss1.html

http://noeltyl.com/discussion/index.php?topic=5149.0

http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/b4...2-6dfffde53785

https://altairastrology.wordpress.co...-the-solstice/

It is my understanding that Firmicus used more than conjunctions and oppositions in his Antiscia where Lilly did Not.


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