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Two thousand years ago astrology was "..predictive..."
moe so than "...psychological..."
and so
HELLENISTIC ASTROLOGY is more of a predictive system

used to determine events in the life of an individual
– i.e.

WHEN they occur

as well as

HOW BENEFICIAL

and/or

DERIMENTAL

the particular events may or may not be
to the individual native.

The NATAL CONDITION and SIGNIFICATIONS
of each of the seven visible classical planets
aka
Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn
in the natal chart
is determined after thorough and exhaustive analysis.
the assistance of modern software programs
such as that provided by Curtis Manwaring
who wrote software
in consultation with Robert Schmidt (deceased December 2018)
at Project Hindsight
available at http://www.astrology-x-files.com/

Rumen Kolev practitioner of ANCIENT BABYLONIAN astrology
provides some great software options
that reduce the work load http://www.babylonianastrology.com/i...emart&Itemid=1

Numerous timing procedures are utilised
for the forecasting of events as signified by planets.

“...Circumambulations...” is used to demarcate
sections of time in the native's life.
Each period is governed by a different planet
known as a “...time lord..”
and effects during that period
correspond to
the condition and meaning of that “...time lord...” aka planet
in the natal chart.

Zodiacal aphesis, decennials, quarters of the moon, profections,
planetary periods and ascensions
as well as solar returns are then used
to get more detail
on particular years/topics
- their indications are always determined by the “...time lords...”
established by “...circumambulations...”
and cannot contradict those particular "....time lords..."

TRANSITING PLANETS ARE LAST ON THE LIST
and are considered
solely

within the context of beneficial
or difficult
periods already determined
and/or established by the various time lords

a detailed explanation of Hellenistic style delineation
by astrologer Maria Mateus
originally recorded at The Blast Astrology Conference 2007
is FREE at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7O6xObhK6M



Hellenistic methods as understood two thousand years ago
are not only detailed
but also exhaustively thorough when correctly utilised
- Maria Mateus video is well worth listening to a few times
to get some idea of the method
the approximately hour long video
is full of useful information/insights
that anyone may immediately begin to practice if so inclined

- also there's the ANTHOLOGY written by Vettius Valens
translated from the original Ancient Greek
by Professor Mark riley of CSU
FREE ONLINE at
http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf



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Thankyou for your time on this. I have definitely experienced some of the horror transits at horrible times of my life, Pluto for example. It was only much later that I reflected on that time and looked at what transits were going on and sure enough Neptune and Pluto were making transits to the faster moving planets in the natal in challenging ways and after reading Robert Hands Transits book it described pretty much exactly what had been happening. I will read up a little about Hellenistic providing I don't get too confused. Thanks again

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Re: How long does mars stay in a house

Thanks all for your input on this post. Just wanted to ask one more question how often does Mars stay in a house for six months eg 8th like this is doing? So when would the last time have been and when else would it occur in the future?

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Thanks all for your input on this post.
Just wanted to ask one more question
how often does Mars stay in a house for six months
eg 8th like this is doing?

So when would the last time have been
and
when else would it occur in the future?

Thankyou
ours is an astrological learning forum
on which one of the skills to learn is
to discover that the question you asked
may be simply answered by using FREE software
at https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/tr...etary-transits

on that site
FREE PLANETARY TRANSITS software
highlights
transiting planets
and their aspects to the natal planets
of the particular natal chart input chosen for viewing
and

the FREE PLANETARY TRANSITS software
shows the location of any transiting planet
including
the natal house occupied by any transiting planet

if anyone requires assistance with using
the FREE ONLINE PLANETARY TRANSITS software
at https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/tr...etary-transits
then message our member kaktuzz
who designed the software
and provides it online for FREE


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ours is an astrological learning forum
on which one of the skills to learn is
to discover that the question you asked
may be simply answered by using FREE software
at https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/tr...etary-transits

on that site
FREE PLANETARY TRANSITS software
highlights
transiting planets
and their aspects to the natal planets
of the particular natal chart input chosen for viewing
and

the FREE PLANETARY TRANSITS software
shows the location of any transiting planet
including
the natal house occupied by any transiting planet

if anyone requires assistance with using
the FREE ONLINE PLANETARY TRANSITS software
at https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/tr...etary-transits
then message our member kaktuzz
who designed the software
and provides it online for FREE


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Thankyou for your post and link. I found it, 1988 was the last time apparently I recall that was a good year so here's to mars sextile Venus and conjunct mars for six months.
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Thankyou for your post and link. I found it,
1988 was the last time apparently
I recall that was a good year
so

here's to mars sextile Venus and conjunct mars for six months.
keep in mind that
generalisation is fun but unreliable

BECAUSE

1988 transiting Sun
1988 transiting Mercury
1988 transiting Venus
1988 transiting Jupiter
1988 transiting Saturn
would have occupied different locations
from those occupied during current retrograde
THEREFORE
events of most recent Mars retrograde for six months in a house
WOULD OBVIOUSLY DIFFER

based on

WHICH PARTICULAR HOUSE
as well as

the significations of those planets
and the promise of the natal chart
from events of any past Mars retrograde for six months in a house

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keep in mind that
generalisation is fun but unreliable

BECAUSE

1988 transiting Sun
1988 transiting Mercury
1988 transiting Venus
1988 transiting Jupiter
1988 transiting Saturn
would have occupied different locations
from those occupied during current retrograde
THEREFORE
events of most recent Mars retrograde for six months in a house
WOULD OBVIOUSLY DIFFER

based on

WHICH PARTICULAR HOUSE
as well as

the significations of those planets
and the promise of the natal chart
from events of any past Mars retrograde for six months in a house

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Thankyou for this. Yes I have just looked. In 88 I had Pluto transit 3rd trine moon in 5th, Jupiter conjunct Venus in 10th Saturn transit 4th trine Jupiter 9th, Uranus transit 4th trine Jupiter 9th and jupiter transit 10 square Saturn 6th.
This is different as you say as this time I have Uranus 9th trine moon 5th, Saturn 5th trine Venus 10th, Uranus in 9th trine Pluto 1st and Saturn 5th square Jupiter. I assume that in both years the most important transits will be one where there are natal aspects which in my case is Pluto moon, Saturn Jupiter, Venus Saturn and uranus moon and the mars sextil Venus and mars square moon as mentioned before.
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Thankyou for this. Yes I have just looked. In 88 I had Pluto transit 3rd trine moon in 5th, Jupiter conjunct Venus in 10th Saturn transit 4th trine Jupiter 9th, Uranus transit 4th trine Jupiter 9th and jupiter transit 10 square Saturn 6th.
This is different as you say as this time I have Uranus 9th trine moon 5th, Saturn 5th trine Venus 10th, Uranus in 9th trine Pluto 1st and Saturn 5th square Jupiter. I assume that in both years the most important transits will be one where there are natal aspects which in my case is Pluto moon, Saturn Jupiter, Venus Saturn and uranus moon and the mars sextil Venus and mars square moon as mentioned before.

There are different astrological perspectives
Vedic, Sidereal, Modernist, Traditional, Tropical, Chinese
for example
Sidereal Western site at https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?t=3


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everything is interdependent astrologically
and a podcast featuring late astrologer Alan White
on an introduction to Hellenistic astrology
has much information
unavailable in this form elsewhere
of interest to beginners and more experienced alike

Alan White created an introductory lecture on Hellenistic astrology using a flip chart
that he presented at a number of astrological meetings in the 2000s
and one of these presentations in 2001
led to Demetra George teaching a course on the subject at Kepler College.
Alan died at the age of 69 on August 18, 2011.
a few months before he died he recorded a version of
his intro to Hellenistic astrology lecture
to have it on the historical record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3H2M6dMF5w&t=60s


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Re: How long does mars stay in a house

So in order to confirm whether any of my transits are accurate I am expected to check them through every other form of astrology there is?
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So in order to confirm whether any of my transits are accurate
I am expected to check them through
every other form of astrology there is?

only if interested to do so
that is a matter for personal choice

alternative option
is

to obtain a RELIABLE professional delineation

meanwhile
for interested beginners :

Joseph Crane author of "A Practical Guide to Traditional Astrology"
shares with us his journey
through using house systems
then using no houses at all
and ultimately why he switched to Whole Sign Houses
and why you should do the same.

This conversation is timely, necessary
and brings up challenging considerations
but it also contains a rich and futuristic vision
of what Astrology can be
and
where we are going as a community
and
Why You should Switch to Whole Sign Houses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAcw56uvOgA


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Re: How long does mars stay in a house

Thankyou again. I'm reading an excellent book by Bernadette Brady so really learning much more. My issue is with synthesis but this book is showing that too.
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Re: How long does mars stay in a house

Zeuses,
Could you post your natal chart? This way it would be very easy to see the transits you are talking about and concerned about!
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Zeuses,
Could you post your natal chart? This way it would be very easy to see the transits you are talking about and concerned about!
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This is it

https://imgur.com/a/ormp9P1

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Apologies Lin. The above is my natal. This is the one https://i.imgur.com/kXnvvJg.png
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Re: How long does mars stay in a house

Zeuses,

Bless this day

Here is your natal from two perspectives, whole sign houses and Placidus. With Manchester’s latitude of 53°30' N, there are significant differences in house cusps.

https://imgur.com/XExlJOT

Saturn in the 7th (whole signs) is very different from Saturn in the 6th (Placidus).

The date for Imgur chart which you posted shows transits and progressions for 12 April 2020.

https://imgur.com/FgWflib

Today is 4 August, so here you can see the changes which have occurred.

https://imgur.com/LdxQYZ7

With Secondary Progressions everything is at a virtual standstill. I’ve been doing astrology since 1983, and gave up on Secondaries a long time ago, and also adopted whole sign houses 20 years ago.

Transiting Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto are in the same house.

Because Venus went through retrograde, it is/was in 10th House from April 1, 2020 and enters the 11th on August 15 , 2020.

Transiting Mars is about to do something similar. On June 28, 2020, it entered Aries while it was in the 8th House. On August 13, 2020, it enters the 9th House. On September 9, it goes retrograde and remains in Aries until January 6, 2021.

Because the size of the 9th House is 34°39'55" with the Crapcidus house system, Mars remains in the 9th until February 28, 2021.

To return to your original question, the length of time which a planet spends in a house can be quite variable, especially with a house system such as Placidus. The size of your 7th House is 20°08'14", so transiting Mars was there from May 22, 2020 til June 22, 2020.

One month in the 7th House versus 119 days in the 9th (6 months, 15 days).

https://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/astro...s-ninth-house/


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Re: How long does mars stay in a house

Thankyou for your time on this. I'll have good look after I have finished laughing at the crapsidus house system lol.
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Re: How long does mars stay in a house

Having lived with myself since the age of the dinosaur I do know that I am Virgo asc for sure as iv read a lot around this. Similarly, I am Jupiter in the ninth (definitely not the 8th) which is the Placidus system.
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Whilst I appreciate you doing this I'm afraid its wrong. Uranus is currently transiting my 9th and I have three planets transiting 5th. I have been following my transits for many many years now drawn up by a professional astrologer in the 1980s. My natal chart accurately reflects who I am too all under placidus.
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I'm afraid that I can't seem to get into imgur for some reason. I'm assuming it must have been fine when you used it so maybe its just a temporary problem.
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Okay, here is another site for images:

https://postimg.cc/94V2Zvy9

https://postimg.cc/nsdWr52p

https://postimg.cc/ygMvSzZ4

You wrote, “Having lived with myself since the age of the dinosaur, I do know that I am Virgo Asc for sure as I’ve read a lot around this. Similarly, I am Jupiter in the 9th (definitely not the 8th) which is the Placidus system.”

First, I was born May 25, 1945, so had finished my freshman year at college when you hatched (dinosaurs were egg-borne and egg-born).

Second, Mars’ transit of the 9th may bring forms of “higher” education which take you beyond the confines of mind.

In Hindu/Vedic astrology, Jupiter is called Guru. The word Guru is made from two words which mean “darkness” and “dispel.” Jupiter/Guru signifies the wisdom which comes when the darkness of ignorance is dispelled.

Third, Jupiter/Guru is at 28°10'22" Aries is western tropical chart. Some say that from 28° of one sign to 2° degrees of the next sign, a planet straddles two energies. In this case, Jupiter/Aries/Mars blending with Jupiter/Taurus/Venus.

The mystic astrologer Ellias Lonsdale gives the following interpretation of the 28-29th degree for any sign:

“Neptune manifesting in a Virgoan way.

“I don’t belong to this world. I’m transcendent, infinite, sacred, magical, devoid of characteristics. Metamorphosis is me. Nothing to me is terribly tragic or irrevocable. I’m not invested in anything because I float freely. I have no ambition, goals, plans, programs, because everything already is. I am completely ineffable, beyond comprehension. The irrational to me is wonderfully expansive.

“I like to go to extremes as a means of creative experimentation. I simultaneously break down things and reconstitute them in unique, original, and startling patterns.”

In his unpublished manuscript, Star Sparks, Lonsdale writes the following about Aries 28-29."

Symbol: “Dr. Jekyll drinks the potion.”

Interpretation:

“Going against the self with a determined and fierce edge. Doing whatever it takes to throw the self off its flow and consistency. Undermining, sabotaging, subverting the ego-mind and its patterns, its needs, its world view.

“Candor determined to hunt down the enemy, which is the unexamined self. Unwilling to let anybody in here get away with anything. Always ready to die, to charge the life radically, to do whatever it takes. Crazed with the desire to be done with illusion and pretense, to be free of the burden of lies, deception of the ego-self pursuing its surface goal to the determent of all of life.

“An honesty, a gutsiness, an ability to follow through on the impulse to find another way, to live in a different manner altogether. The stark combination of shadow inflation with shadow remuneration. The simultaneous state of seeking to be free of self and in the process becoming hung up on self massively.

“A very good and strange idea carried to the ultimate point. We know here that what we allow ourselves to take up as a controlled and self-willed outer pathway will easily become much more of a monster than a fulfillment.And we are well-aware, deeply in touch with the root system that supports and perpetuates our surface motives, and turns them into worlds of everything reinforcing and substantiating the self’s most naïve and useless assumptions, made into a life.

“But what we have a hard time with is doing anything other then cutting away at the patterns. We end up being the shadow, being the one who stops the self from folly untold and moving into those values which are there when we are once again part of the whole.

“A very necessary undertaking which perhaps never lets up and fails to realize that letting be is the center point of wisdom.”


With sincere best wishes
Thankyou for the link to another site for uploading my current transits on here.

I'm a little confused by this post. Firstly my reference to having known and looked at my chart transits for a long time was just that. Whilst I find the synthesis of the whole chart or predictive elements difficult I think that I am best placed to know who I am. I have continually checked transits over the years in order to check the validity of astrology, particularly at times of major events or changes in myself or my life and they have always been accurate. Without this checking I simply would not have ever been interested in astrology.

Indeed, back in the early 80s I thought it a ridiculous concept when an astrology friend used to talk to me about it. However she challenged me to let her do my chart for the year and to see what I thought. With skepticism I let her do it and didn't take much notice. After the year had passed she asked me what I thought. I looked through it still with skeptisism and found the accuracy outstanding. This is what brought my attention to astrology. I then saw a professional astrologer who I didn't know and again, was impressed with the accuracy of her readings. Since then I have looked at my chart retrospectively and found it to be accurate.

Until recently, I had not even noticed other strands of astrology eg vedic, traditional etc. It was only when I came on here and people posted responses that I came into contact with it and that was only recently.

I posted my transits upon request from an astrologer that I feel is extremely knowledgeable and accurate on here so that they could read them and you responded with two of your own charts because you said my transits were out of date. My post was to the astrologer who requested it and in the format that I have followed since the 1980s.

To further my knowledge off this site I am reading books by Bernadette Brady, Robert Hand and Liz Greene all of which have excellent reputations in the form of astrology that I have and continue to follow. I respect the fact that different people follow different strands of astrology and would like others to respect my choice on the strand that I have chosen to follow since the 1980s that time and time again has shown to be accurate for my chart.

Whilst you wrote with eloquence and depth and I respect your choice to follow whatever branch of astrology you choose and respect that you, like everyone on here, is entitled to your opinion I feel that i do not need any further comment on what was a simple post to another astrologer to read my chart, one which has been tried and tested over 30 years and which I will continue to follow as that is my choice.
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