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So, any astronomical reason that cazimi would be more prevalent in some Signs than in others?
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Another question--retrograde planet camizi versus direct--any important difference in interpretation?
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So, any astronomical reason that cazimi would be more prevalent in some Signs than in others?
This is true mostly for Mercury and Venus, and it has to do with their orbits. Their stations also occur in only similar places for example, Venus is retrograde only in five signs or so in a lifetime, though in some hundred years, they will be different.
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Another question--retrograde planet camizi versus direct--any important difference in interpretation?
Direct planet is better than a retrograde planet, did you know that mine was direct too?

Saturn, Jupiter and Mars are always direct in cazimi. They can either be evening additive/direct or morning additive/direct. Cazimi may have originated from the fact that these planets become morning risers there, which is the best phase.
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Depends on what is your definition of ''exactly conjunct''?
Cazimi planets by 16 minute longitude are quite rare,

I am one of the blessed children of mother nature.
I even have it exactly at IC.
even rarer if cazimi by latitude as well
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Is Mercury at its node?

the nodes do not act as planetary bodies but as points
and a point cannot be cazimi
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even rarer if cazimi by latitude as well

the nodes do not act as planetary bodies but as points
and a point cannot be cazimi
No, I meant that for a planet to be cazimi by latitude, it would have to be extremely close to its node.
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This is true mostly for Mercury and Venus, and it has to do with their orbits. Their stations also occur in only similar places for example, Venus is retrograde only in five signs or so in a lifetime, though in some hundred years, they will be different.
Are there Signs in which Mercury and Venus CAN'T be cazimi for an astronomical reason? Sounds unlikely.
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Are there Signs in which Mercury and Venus CAN'T be cazimi for an astronomical reason? Sounds unlikely.
The cazimi of Venus occurs every 8 years at almost the same spot. Venus definitely can't be cazimi in all signs in a lifetime.
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Can you find a Venus cazimi in Sagittarius recently?
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The cazimi of Venus occurs every 8 years at almost the same spot. Venus definitely can't be cazimi in all signs in a lifetime.
Here's some information on the subject:

http://fallonastro.com/text-cazimivenus-04.html
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Can you find a Venus cazimi in Sagittarius recently?
There was a Mercury cazimi Oct. 27, 2016, in tropical Scorpio.
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There was a Mercury cazimi Oct. 27, 2016, in tropical Scorpio.
I told you that just like her stations occur only in certain signs, this also has to apply to her inferior and superior conjunctions.
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I told you that just like her stations occur only in certain signs, this also has to apply to her inferior and superior conjunctions.
Venus cazimi June 3rd, 2020

Venus is always Retrograde cazimi.
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Can you find a Venus cazimi in Sagittarius recently?
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Here's some information on the subject:

http://fallonastro.com/text-cazimivenus-04.html
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no mention on that link re: Venus cazimi in Sagittarius recently

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There was a Mercury cazimi Oct. 27, 2016, in tropical Scorpio.
not Scorpio, Sagittarius and not Mercury, Venus

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Give me a single source besides Henry Coley please
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"….........'Application' is of two species.
One is application in longitude
the other is application in latitude. . .

If application in latitude is from conjunction
then it is, when the two planets are in one sign
and they are equal in degrees in longitude
and in latitude
and are in the same direction
and one of the two eclipses the other....."
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'The Abbreviation of the Introduction to Astrology' Chapter Three
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No, she isn't???
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no mention on that link re: Venus cazimi in Sagittarius recently


not Scorpio, Sagittarius and not Mercury, Venus


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".........'Application' is of two species.
One is application in longitude
the other is application in latitude. . .

If application in latitude is from conjunction
then it is, when the two planets are in one sign
and they are equal in degrees in longitude
and in latitude
and are in the same direction
and one of the two eclipses the other....."
source:

'The Abbreviation of the Introduction to Astrology' Chapter Three
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I'm seeing Mercury cazimi in tropical Scorpio on Oct. 27, 2016.

Venus cazimi this year on June 3rd, and with the 8 year cycle, there was one on June 5th in 2012.
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No, she isn't???
You're right. The article I read that in was wrong. Venus was Direct during her last cazimi Aug. 13th, 2019.
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You're right. The article I read that in was wrong. Venus was Direct during her last cazimi Aug. 13th, 2019.
She is once cazimi direct and once cazimi retrograde, same as Mercury, it's obvious.
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You're right. The article I read that in was wrong.

Venus was Direct during her last cazimi Aug. 13th, 2019


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article not reliable then
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article not reliable then
No, my bad. I didn't read it carefully enough--only for the "Inferior" cazimi is Venus always retrograde.

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Can you find a Venus cazimi in Sagittarius recently?
I checked, there is no Venus cazimi in Sagittarius for the first third of this century at the very least.

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The ancients preferred planets at the apogees, that is away from the Earth. This coincides with the direct phases. The modern heliocentric terms inferior and superior might be appropriate.
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so that's longitude cazimi - not latitude as well
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on Jan.10th 2020

it`s gonna be a fatamorgana

because Moon will be eclipsed = opposing Sun by latitude AND longitude.

and Mercury will "only" be conjunct Sun by degree and minute of longitude in tropical zodiac.

what a tricky planet !


so shat`s the difference between cazimi and Sun eclipse?

if both require involved planets to be conjunct both by latitude AND longitude?

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She is once cazimi direct and once cazimi retrograde, same as Mercury, it's obvious.
And on Aug.13th 2018 there was an eclipse;

what a coincidence!
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