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I've been wondering about the part of reincarnation. (asc + sat - jup)

His is 26 aries, which... the symbol is... a man posessed of more gifts than he can hold... something like that.

hmmmm... so in that sense i'm guessing this refers to current incarnation? (would the opposite [jup-sat] be previous incarnation...? officers on dress parade would be His.....)

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I like His symbol for part of fascination. I had.. some part near the cusp here and I really think it would be a fitting symbol for Him to have.

Leo 30:
AN UNSEALED LETTER.
KEYNOTE:
The realization by the individual that all thoughts and all messages are inevitably to be shared with all men.
Coming as it does as the end of this tenth scene and linked with the last degree of the zodiacal sign, Leo, this symbol seems at first quite puzzling; when it has been thought of as an isolated symbol, its essential meaning has not been apparent. The fact that a letter is unsealed does not imply a trust that other people will not read its contents, but rather the idea that the contents are for all men to read. The letter contains a public message in the sense that when man has reached the stage of true mental repolarization and development — which we see in the very first symbol for Leo — he has actually become a participant in the One Mind of humanity. Nothing can really be hidden, except superficially and for a brief time. What any man thinks and deeply realizes becomes the property of all men. Nothing is more senseless than possessiveness in the realm of ideas. If God speaks to a man, Man hears the word. Nothing can remain permanently "sealed."
As this thirtieth sequence of five symbols ends, it is made clear to us, and particularly to the inherently proud Leo type, that all that takes form within the mind of a man belongs to all men. Communication and SHARING must always prevail over the will to glorify oneself by claiming sole possession of ideas and information.

so I was thinking how the title perversion might be more like a value that is carried out to the extreme…

heres mine, it's def. fitting.

Virgo 9:

AN EXPRESSIONIST PAINTER AT WORK.
KEYNOTE:
The urge to express one's individualized sense of value regardless of tradition.
At this stage the individual is seen reacting against cultural standards and stereotyped ways of interpreting his perceptions. This is a statement of uncompromising self-reliance, which may even imply a kind of defiance and a challenge to society. The mind is seeking to discover the character of the basic and true foundation of individual selfhood, the AUM tone (or logos) of individual being. In the process, however, what is expressed is usually the reflection of a deep catharsis with emotionally charged and often tragic overtones.
This fourth stage symbol brings to us the hint of a technique of transformation of the personality. What predominates is a sense of inner conflict and an over-selfconscious attempt at "being oneself." But there is a great difference between being an origin of development pregnant with futurity, and deliberately sought for ORIGINALITY.
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I've been wondering about the part of reincarnation. (asc + sat - jup)

His is 26 aries, which... the symbol is... a man posessed of more gifts than he can hold... something like that.

hmmmm... so in that sense i'm guessing this refers to current incarnation? (would the opposite [jup-sat] be previous incarnation...? officers on dress parade would be His.....)
Whooops, this is embarrassing... I erred in my math on Yeshu'a/Jesus' Part of Re-incarnation aka Part of Life, it is 24* 58' 34", that is the 25th degree of Aries and not the 26th as I had wrote.

I'll make the necessary charge to the list, post haste.
...my bad...

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...and now... At Last! Having the correct Sabian Symbol has made all the difference in the world as to understanding ...at least it sure has for me... as to what His Part of Re-incarnation is indicating symbolically.

ARIES 25*
[ibid.]
"THE POSSIBILITY FOR MAN TO GAIN EXPERIENCE AT TWO LEVELS OF BEING.

KEYNOTE: The revelation of new potentialities.


In some unspecified way the symbol is a guarantee that man can operate successfully at two levels of consciousness, if he has previously met the condition mentioned in the preceding symbol. 'Be open. Be able and willing to shape your translucent mind in the form revealing spiritual fulfillment. And you will be able to experience life and power on inner as well as outer planes.' The implied message is one of faith. Man can only truly experience what he deeply believes he can experience.

This is the last stage of this fifth five-fold sequence of cyclic phases. It announces the possibility of a new step in evolution, but it is still only a possibility, a promise. The individual is truly ON PROBATION."


YES!


... those Two Levels of Being, that; as the man Yeshu'a/Jesus of Nazareth and as a man now One with the Christ... as the few sects of Gnostic Christianity, Edgar Cayce, and the Illumined Souls of the Yogis sufficiently advanced in the understanding of Vedic Knowledge, all knew and understood, or presently know and understand.
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wooooahhh.. check this out, His part of prev incarnation ... it fits.. (this is an "interesting coincidence" because I was just sending an email to PTV inquiring about a potential part of self-sacrifice, in reference to not being able to find the appropriate part/symbol in His chart, and well just look what this is talking about... self surrender...)</p>
asc+jup-sat @ 5.29 pisces (from dane rudhyars' "An Astrological Mandala"):

"A PARADE OF ARMY OFFICERS IN FULL DRESS.
KEYNOTE: The dedication of human beings to the service of their community, and the assurance that it will be emotionally sustained by the people at large.
Here we see at work the emotion-rousing appeal of social activities which demand the surrendering by the individual of his personal way of life, his opinions and his comfort. The socializing process is pictured in all its intensity but what is implied even more is the support that the socialized person can expect from the collectivity if he is ready to act and to sacrifice himself for the nation or the group.
This is the first symbol of the sixty-eighth series. It allegorizes the power generated by a totally accepted and enforced collective discipline, and the exaltation and mass response which he who has achieved this self-surrender to a social tradition can expect in return.

The Keyword is GROUP-RESPONSIBILITY. "
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maybe this is the part for self-sacrifice!!?? </p>
asc + venus - pluto...

when you sacrifice yourself.. it is for the good of others... and you end up sacrificing your personal wealth/status.. very Venusian themes.

it is the death of personal status for the good of transforming humanity.

NO fricken wonder it's &quot;The Template of Time&quot; (I think that is the title, right?O.o)

it shows the answer right in his part of reincarnation because His themes are universal...the seed. so it's the best way to discern the parts!

here is his asc + venus - pluto, conjunct his part of reincarnation! a degree away @ pisces 7[ibid]:


ILLUMINED BY A SHAFT OF LIGHT, A LARGE CROSS LIES ON ROCKS SURROUNDED BY SEA MIST. KEYNOTE: The spiritual blessing which strengthens individuals who, happen what may, stand uncompromisingly for their own truth. Men who do not depend upon collective values, traditions or support but seek at any cost to be true to their individual self and destiny almost inevitably face some kind of crucifixion. They are sustained only by the power within them, to which a light above answers. The symbol tells us: &quot;Be true to thine own self, and in the midst of the outer confusion displayed by those surrounding you, you will realize what you really are as an Individual — a son of God.&quot;This second stage symbol presents us with a realization in polar opposition to that evoked by the preceding scene. It implies the supreme worth of a life guided by an inner voice and manifesting a high degree of SELF-ASSERTION. &quot;

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Yeshua's MC/ IC Star:

So we start at the MC point and move around the zodiac 4 more times, 72* each, to get the points in the star.

I propose (with the help of ptv) that the MC star should skip one point each time in its progression, and should go clockwise ( reverse the motion of the zodiac aries-pisces). The IC star should go counter-clockwise (towards the motion of the zodiac)

So these would be the steps of Yeshua's MC star, which represents the process of spiritual evolution:

1. Cancer 0.46
3. Virgo 12.46
5. Scorpio 24.46
2. Aqua 6.46
4. Aries 18.46

And here are the symbols, given in the order of progression that i proposed:

Cancer 1:

"ON A SHIP THE SAILORS LOWER AN OLD FLAG AND RAISE A NEW ONE.
KEYNOTE: A radical change of allegiance exteriorized in a symbolical act: a point of no return.
We have now reached a square (go-degree angle) to the beginning of the cyclic process. This is a moment of crisis, a sharp turning point. In the zodiacal cycle, at the summer solstice the northward motion of the sun (in "decimation") stops; the sun rises and sets as far north of exact east and west as it can during the year-cycle. Its motion is now reversed. Slowly the sunset points move southward on the western horizon, and the length of the day decreases. In the lunation cycle (from New Moon to New Moon) this is the First Quarter phase. On the "ship" which symbolizes the ego-consciousness floating, as it were, on the sea of the vast Unconscious, the individualized will makes a basic decision. The dominant Yang force allows the Yin force to begin its six-month long rise to power. The "collective" will gradually overcomes the "individual," and at the end the state will overpower the person. Now, however, the individual person enjoys his most glorious
hour; he exults in his ability to make a "free decision"- i.e. to act as an individual who selects his life goal and his allegiance.
This is the first stage in the nineteenth five-fold series of degree symbols. In a decisive act heavy with consequences, the symbolic college youth might realize that he should bring to an end his quest for the ideal companion and enter into matrimony. He assents to the possibility of progeny, of home responsibility. His consciousness accepts a process of fundamental REORIENTATION, implying the stabilization of his energies. "

Aqua 7:

"A CHILD IS SEEN BEING BORN OUT OF AN EGG.
KEYNOTE: The emergence of new mutations according to the great rhythms of the cosmos.
The ancient symbolism of the Cosmic Egg (Hiranyagharba in Sanskrit) out of which a new universe is born can be interpreted at several levels. Here we see the appearance of a new type of human being who is not born from "Ancestors" and who therefore is free from the inertia of mankind's past. He is a new product of evolution, a mutant. He constitutes a fresh projection of the creative Spirit that emanates from the cosmic or planetary Whole, and not from any local culture and racial tradition.
This second stage symbol is in contrast with the preceding one. It can be said to announce the EMERGENCE OF GLOBAL MAN for the New Age. The power of the whole is focused within him in perfect freedom from ancient standards of value based on local conditions. "

Virgo 13:

"A POWERFUL STATESMAN OVER-COMES A STATE OF POLITICAL HYSTERIA.
KEYNOTE: The focusing of the collective need for order and structural interdependence into a personage who incarnates the answer to this need.
The husband role of fecundator of nature here takes on a collective social significance. We are at the stage where a powerful realization of the very purpose of the cycle of existence faces the chaotic remains of a dis-structured past. The character of the leader is always delineated by the need, subconscious though it may be, of the unformed agglomeration of entities he is called upon by destiny to lead. In time the leader will be worshiped as the "divine Father" of the society he structured.
At this third stage of the thirty-third sequence we see a new type of characterization of the many-faceted polarization of positive and negative. We have before us a personage endowed with CHARISMA, this elusive and mysterious power that comes from a man's or woman's openness to the power of planetary evolution. "

Aries 19:

"THE "MAGIC CARPET" OF ORIENTAL IMAGERY.
KEYNOTE: The use of creative imagination.
A way of life refusing a hectic involvement in social competition and waste-producing overproduction allows for the development of unattached and transcendent understanding. The static floor (carpet) on which man's feet (symbols of understanding) rest can become transformed into the means for great flights of imagination and super-physical perception. The period of rest from outwardly directed activity bound to collective normality presents the creative mind with the possibility of surveying in dreams the totality of the present-day social situation, thus "to see whole."
The fourth stage of the fourth five-fold sequence of symbols invokes the possibility of developing a new technique of perception, A STRIFE-TRANSCENDING AND UNATTACHED OUTLOOK UPON EVERYDAY REALITY. "

Scorpio 25:

"AN X-RAY PHOTOGRAPH.
KEYNOTE: The capacity to acquire a knowledge of the structural factors in all existence.
The true philosopher is able to grasp and significantly evaluate what underlies all manifestations of life. His mind's eye penetrates through the superficialities of existence and perceives the framework that gives an at least relatively permanent "form" to all organized systems. Thus if the structure is weak, deformed by persistent strain, or unbalanced, the basic causes of outer disturbances and dis-ease can be discovered.
This symbol concludes the forty-seventh five-fold sequence. It gives an added dimension to the preceding four. For instance, it provides the conscience of the individual who refuses to obey his society with a depth-understanding of what is wrong in the situation he faces. Beyond the powerful feeling quality of "peak experiences," the mind can understand the great Principles of which they were the manifestations. This is STRUCTURAL KNOWLEDGE in contrast to existential knowledge. "


And these are the steps of the IC star, which would represent the process of devolution:

1. Capricorn 0.46
4. Pisces 12.46
2. Taurus 24.46
5. Leo 6.46
3. Libra 18.46

(coincidentally, these points of Yeshua's IC star are conjunct the points of my MC star by an orb of .22, in exact opposite order... as in mine goes 1. leo, 2. pisces, etc. i realized this after the fact of coming up with the method. )

And the symbols, given in the order of progression that i proposed:

Cap 1:

"AN INDIAN CHIEF CLAIMS POWER FROM THE ASSEMBLED TRIBE.
KEYNOTE: The power and responsibility implied in any claim for leadership.
The religious ideal implied in the preceding symbol has now materialized or crystallized into sheer power – the power to lead the community and to ensure its welfare or even its physical survival. The energies released through group cooperation (Libra), deepened and emotionally experienced as forces of great potency (Scorpio), and given meaning and conscious purpose (Sagittarius) are now stabilized and hierarchized. The power of the group is turned into a measurable and carefully managed "capital." The words "chief" and "capital" come from the same Latin word, caput, meaning "head." A time comes in many lives when the individual finds himself placed in a situation that allows him to assume power over his comrades, however limited this power may be. Is he ready to do this effectively and responsibly? This is the supreme test of man in society. It complements its polar opposite (summer solstice degree), which refers to the acceptance by the individual of
a new kind of allegiance as a foundation for the integration of his mature personality. Such a foundation may, but need not, refer to establishing a home.
This represents the first stage in a five-fold process – the fifty-fifth sequence of five symbols. It refers to the capacity latent in every individual to claim and assume AUTHORITY in a vital group-situation. "

Taurus 25:

"A VAST PUBLIC PARK.
KEYNOTE: The cultivation of natural energies for collective use and recreation.
At this final stage of the sequence of symbols focusing on emotional-cultural values, we witness the positive and impressive results of man's collective endeavor to live in peace and to enjoy moments of relaxation. The public park is designed and kept for the enjoyment of all the people of the city.
This is a symbol of COLLECTIVE ENJOYMENT. The individual finds in the products of his culture an emotional enhancement born of the feeling of "belonging" to a large, organized, peaceful whole. "


Libra 19:

"A GANG OF ROBBERS IN HIDING.
KEYNOTE: Protest against disharmonic social privilege.
It is questionable whether the formulation of the symbol at this place is adequate, but it is kept on general principle. One might rather think of Robin Hood and his band, or early Bolsheviks in Russia robbing banks to finance the revolution. The protest against an unbalanced society with its rigid stratification into classes can be seen as a positive factor, even if it challenges the principle of order, for it reveals dynamic qualities in individuals and the will to transformation. In another sense, it is the dark shadow of the ideal of "nonpossessiveness." The question is: How valid and effectual is this kind of protest?
The fourth stage in a five-fold sequence of symbols and phases usually presents us with at least a hint of technique. What can this mean at this level? Perhaps the fact that any effective resistance to the momentum of crystallized institutions should be organized if it is to be effective. Individuals alone are impotent in producing actual changes in social consciousness. A "group" must be formed. The Keywords are GROUP PROTEST. "

Pisces 13:

"AN ANCIENT SWORD, USED IN MANY BATTLES, IS DISPLAYED IN A MUSEUM.
KEYNOTE: Through the effectual use of his will a consecrated man can become a symbol of courage for all those who follow in his footsteps.
Will power is the ultimate spiritual weapon, and its undeviating use is the certification of individual worth. Wherever found, this symbol emphasizes the imperative need to make use of the will in meeting the basic challenges of the inner life as well as outer adversaries.
With this third symbol of the sixty-ninth sequence we see singled out and strongly emphasized the one power in man which is an assurance of victory in the contests generated by social (or occult) processes in which he has become an active part. The individual must use that WILL POWER, yet it is not really his own once he operates at a spiritual level. It is God's will operating through his mind which focuses its thrusts. It is, occultly speaking, the power of the Brotherhood – the energy of the Whole operating through the one-pointed individual who has made this Whole aware of the need for its use in a particular situation. "

Leo 7:

"THE CONSTELLATIONS OF STARS SHINE BRILLIANTLY IN THE NIGHT SKY.
KEYNOTE: The power of basic spiritual values which refer to man's common humanity and to all enduring archetypes.
The experience of the night sky with its multitude of stars, especially brilliant in all the countries from which astrology came, is just as basic and archetypal an experience as that of sunrise, full moon and seasonal changes. Every people on this Earth has developed the concept of constellations, probably because of a need to find order in existence and to personalize everything that could be given a permanent form. Such personalizations can be called "psychic projections," but the projection concept should be worked out both ways. If man projects his basic human nature upon the star-filled night sky, is it not just as logical to say that the universe projects its own forever-evolving patterns of order upon human nature? In either case we deal with archetypal factors which endure through a long series of generations.
This second stage symbol once more stands in perfect contrast to the preceding one. The nearly unchanging patterns of star groups are opposed to the sequence of ever-changing fashions and social ideals. The Keyword here is PERMANENCE. "

Now, I'd like to point out a couple things in regard to His "devolution" star.

Initially, this star might be considered something that can be "negative". ( i did quite a bit of thinking on this due to the points being so personal.... hopefully i came to a place of at least partial understanding...)

It's important to remember that Yeshua came here in order to fulfill the role of the Avatar, the Messiah, etc. He intentfully went through a process of individual devolution (sacrifice) for the sake of others, so that others might follow in his footsteps. I think his devolution star resembles that pretty accurately.

So, this leads me to believe that it resembles what PTV has already ascertained regarding the spiritual/mundane dynamic of the mc/ic. (that being that the ic is the why in a spiritual sense and the how in the mundane sense.) Relating this back to the devolution star, it is only "negative" when the points are used as a mode of personal gain, rather than utilized towards the necessity of individual sacrifice for others. (sort of like how a teacher might intentionally simplify his language in order to reach his students.)

At least, that is my take on it so far.

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i have the list of parts that are conjunct those star points, on my laptop. i will post them up when i get home.
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ahh.. thanks, ptv.. I've got good teachers.. wink.

here are the parts i found conjunct Yeshua's MC star:

0.46 cancer - mc:

Asc+ Ura - sat: exile, confidence: 0.30 cancer
Asc + pof - mars: courage: 0.04 cancer

24.46 scorpio:

Asc + nep - pluto: slyness: 24.10 scorpio

also part of art/ venture (asc+merc-ven) just a bit away at scorp 25.02

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..... and the parts conjunct thep ic star:

Cap 0.46:

Sudden parting: asc + sat - ura: sudden parting: cap 0.57

* i find that one very fitting* and notice the number 11 popping up... 11 minutes away? regardless if the chart is exactly accurate... 11 can represent "the birth of cosmic balance"

Libra 18.46:

Speculation, behest : asc + jup - nep: libra 19. 29

Leo 6.46:

Treasure, security: asc + ven - merc: leo 6.25

Subtle or hidden change: asc + plu - nep: leo 7.16
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I think this ought to be it's own thread... it should be a 'Sticky'... better yet... you should write a book on this.
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yeah i still intend on making a seperate thread on the star, that way we can go over other charts too to see how they stack up.

i've been preoccupied the last couple of days but maybe i will have a chance sometime this weekend.


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Greetings.
While corresponding with member Phoenix Venus this evening it came to my attention that I had made a mistake and labled the Part of Basis as being in Virgo...it is in Libra, and I have made the correction.
...also Phoenix Venus has made some very significant observations concerning the Part of Basis and its' componets... I have encvouraged her to make a threaqd about it... I'm taking a bit of a hiatus for awhile... and am trying to limit myself to only replies when really needed, otherwise I would start a thread on the subject... and besides, she REALLY has got something going, I believe, with this Part of Basis thing... {she's got the ball and is breaking loose for daylight ...to use a footbsall metaphor} ...and she has got such Mad Skills at this...

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Greetings.
While corresponding with member Phoenix Venus this evening it came to my attention that I had made a mistake and labled the Part of Basis as being in Virgo...it is in Libra, and I have made the correction.
...also Phoenix Venus has made some very significant observations concerning the Part of Basis and its' componets... I have encvouraged her to make a threaqd about it... I'm taking a bit of a hiatus for awhile... and am trying to limit myself to only replies when really needed, otherwise I would start a thread on the subject... and besides, she REALLY has got something going, I believe, with this Part of Basis thing... {she's got the ball and is breaking loose for daylight ...to use a footbsall metaphor} ...and she has got such Mad Skills at this...

MAD, I tell ya... MAD!
Well, it seems that I only made the situation worse... I enumerated the sign wrong in my calcs last night [I should use the online calculator, I really should.
What I had originally is correct [in my own defenser, I've been pretty pre-occupied lately and yesterday was exceptionally busy] ... Phoenix V and I were discussing that Dr. Farr has given the opposite arrangement as to diurnal and nocturnal formulae so she muct have thought my post above was to mean that I found muyself in error as to the otrher question of which is diurnal and which nocturnal ...and as to that question, I haven't found the answer yet, I just woke up...had a late visitor last night...

We'll ge this worked out, b 4 2 long... I hope.
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Well, I started to look up a few of His parts that I was curious about, (see the known & unknown thread) but I'm running into some issues due to the discrepency with what is going on at astrodienst.

At the moment I only have access to His current chart as listed at astro.com. I double checked astro's listing of His part of fortune against what you have listed in this thread and there is a difference of about 5 minutes. Assuming that this is accounted for with the ascendant (and not sun or moon), I've subtracted 5 minutes from the ascendant and used the POF & POS listed in the thread to arrive at the formulas... BUT seeing as how these formulas are all two-in-one (utilizing a formula within the formula) and therefore double the potential for error (and that isn't even considering how off each of the planets might be) I CANNOT GAURANTEE their accuracy.

AS + POF - URA: Virgo 10.46

AS + NEP - POS: Taurus 11.58

AS + POF - PLU: Virgo 17.58

.........As you see those last two are so close to the edge that it is fruitless to look into them until I can verify that they are accurate. With parts that are in need of dissecting and currently unknown, it is too much to take a look at both symbols.

At astro.com, it's currently listing:


AS as 0.48 libra,
sun at 11.53 aries,
moon at 29.26 virgo,
uranus at 8.13 aries,
neptune at 24.25 scorpio
pluto at 1.01 libra.
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I apologize, i hadn't noticed your post until moments ago. I took it to be an old post from a couple of months ago as this thread got buried down in my list of subscribed threads.
So as I suggested that you might do the calcs for these Parts, it was a suggestion I needn't had bothered with, so it appears.

I'm going to have to study these over sometime this weekend and I now am getting my list of things to do under the heading of 'astrology' of such size and importance as to possibly need to close the blinds. lock the doors and chain myself to the study.
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Well, I started to look up a few of His parts that I was curious about, (see the known & unknown thread) but I'm running into some issues due to the discrepency with what is going on at astrodienst.

At the moment I only have access to His current chart as listed at astro.com. I double checked astro's listing of His part of fortune against what you have listed in this thread and there is a difference of about 5 minutes. Assuming that this is accounted for with the ascendant (and not sun or moon), I've subtracted 5 minutes from the ascendant and used the POF & POS listed in the thread to arrive at the formulas... BUT seeing as how these formulas are all two-in-one (utilizing a formula within the formula) and therefore double the potential for error (and that isn't even considering how off each of the planets might be) I CANNOT GAURANTEE their accuracy.

AS + POF - URA: Virgo 10.46

AS + NEP - POS: Taurus 11.58

AS + POF - PLU: Virgo 17.58

.........As you see those last two are so close to the edge that it is fruitless to look into them until I can verify that they are accurate. With parts that are in need of dissecting and currently unknown, it is too much to take a look at both symbols.

At astro.com, it's currently listing:


AS as 0.48 libra,
sun at 11.53 aries,
moon at 29.26 virgo,
uranus at 8.13 aries,
neptune at 24.25 scorpio
pluto at 1.01 libra.
There's always the charts of the birth that I have posted elsewhere online,one of which is posted in a thread of mine somewhere in astrodienst, but I was banned from that forum back in late 2008 [long story] and can't say for sure that it is still available nor do I remember where it was posted. The one at ACTastrology is at this link: http://actastrology.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=196
{and, P.V., and anyone else that needs to know or would like to know, my clairvoyant friend, Clarisse says that what I got posted there is still the real deal, sans minor rectification for the time which is a matter of seconds of a minute and only changes a couple/few Astrological Parts...and certainly the exact gps location but that is very negligible.}
...also for those of you that are reading this and are unaware, the arabic parts calculator at hiddenpress.com is contaminated with a virus and you don't want to go there. I was able to find another one online at this link: http://libracentre.com/arabic_parts_chart.php
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Well, I started to look up a few of His parts that I was curious about, (see the known & unknown thread) but I'm running into some issues due to the discrepency with what is going on at astrodienst.

At the moment I only have access to His current chart as listed at astro.com. I double checked astro's listing of His part of fortune against what you have listed in this thread and there is a difference of about 5 minutes. Assuming that this is accounted for with the ascendant (and not sun or moon), I've subtracted 5 minutes from the ascendant and used the POF & POS listed in the thread to arrive at the formulas... BUT seeing as how these formulas are all two-in-one (utilizing a formula within the formula) and therefore double the potential for error (and that isn't even considering how off each of the planets might be) I CANNOT GAURANTEE their accuracy.

AS + POF - URA: Virgo 10.46

AS + NEP - POS: Taurus 11.58

AS + POF - PLU: Virgo 17.58

.........As you see those last two are so close to the edge that it is fruitless to look into them until I can verify that they are accurate. With parts that are in need of dissecting and currently unknown, it is too much to take a look at both symbols.

At astro.com, it's currently listing:


AS as 0.48 libra,
sun at 11.53 aries,
moon at 29.26 virgo,
uranus at 8.13 aries,
neptune at 24.25 scorpio
pluto at 1.01 libra.
I took the liberty of checking your figures and here's the results ...and i did calculate to the second of a degree, not just the minute of, bear in mind...

Asc. + - = 10* 46' 56"

Asc. + - PoS = 11* 58' 51"

Asc. + - = 18* 00' 33'

You'll notice that the last part is quite a bit of difference from what you came up with. In fact it is in an opposite sign. Any time you're using the Asc. as the personal point and Pluto as the Trigger from this Jesus/Yeshu'a chart, as the position of Pluto is in the same degree, the 1st of Libra, as the Asc. and is in fact just over a half of a minute of a degree more than 15' [minutes]of a degree more than the Asc., the fact that you are subtracting Pluto from the sum of the Asc. and whatever happens to be the 'Significator' is that you are basically negating the Asc. and Pluto from the equation. In fact, all you have to do is subtract the total of the difference between the Asc. and Pluto from the figures for the Significator and there you have the figures for whatever part that maybe.

That difference is 0* 15' 35"

As the part of Fortune is 18* 16' 08" by subtracting 0* 15' 35" you can easily see [easy for us math oriented types anyways] that the figure is 18* 00' 33"

That's okay, I had just made the same mistake that I believe that you made also.
I mistakenly hit the key for the letter O instead of the numeric Zero and also got a Virgo sign at the online calculator i just posted a link for.

The only reason for my noticing it immediately is because I'm quite aware of the Asc.~Pluto negation situation {huh? that's got a nice ring to it...} and hence is just a matter of having spent more time with the chart and a few hundred hours spent calculating parts the last 30 years and hence well experienced in making errors doing calculations for parts...as you could probably point out at least a half dozen posts, right off hand, in which I had to post a an apology and retraction for having done so... thus, I've become more and more conscious and observant of the process and have learned, the hard way, to keep a wary and discerning eye on the process until it's been calculated, checked and double checked.

...and actually it's a lot more than just okay, I think that it is great that this happened, especially to both of us and as to the same part at the same time, as it illustrates quite well as a demonstration for everyone to be aware of the situation.
I might even go so far as to say 'wonderful' .
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...but, aside from all that...

BADANG!!!!

Looky where that last formula has led us to! It is in the same degree and sign as the Part of Fortune [of course I knew that was going to happen and have ever since i was aware that the formula did exist and must be a Part of 'something' for the reason of the Asc.~Pluto negation situation....{I just love saying that already....}]

I'll await your analysis on it. You wanted to take the ball on this one and I'm good with that
...it's real late/early here besides... it's time for me to talk to Mr. Pillow...

If you don't have anything posted in a week ...I'll take another look at it and decide whether I want to give it a shot at this time or not...
Like I said, I don't know that I'm equipped with enough experience yet to tackle these particular unknowns
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Hey piercethevale. Sorry for the late reply, life has been hectic lately. i lost my job and with my broken computer dont have much internet access. i hope you understand i have not given up on the cause.

Well a possibility is that the part asc + pof - pluto might have to do with the transformation into adulthood... the transformatin of the female integrating into the male and vice versa.... it could make sense given that the symbol for Yeshua's, a master intsructing his disciples would represent the transformation from the student in youth to the teacher in adulthood.

It seems to fit with what ive looked at so far but will definitely require some more contemplation. watcha think?
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... and remember as + pof - moon should be that same degree too
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Glad to hear that everything is okay.
I've so busy with trying to finishing up my reply to ms toxic...which i should have had done this morning...but ended spending 10 hours at this computer sidetracked with replying to some lameo remarks on another thread...which i'll just leave unnamed so as not to cause any moderation typhoon.... and catching some new insight on the economic thread and situation...which is a woozy doozy...

I've been meaning to post another reply to your thread on the part of Imprisonment...as I realized i should have pm'd you before posting what i did...thinking that I was callous of me to reply in the way and manner that i did...oh, yeah and i spent about 3 1/2 hours ...which should have taken me no more than 45 mins. tops... checking some of your own 'Parts' ...as i lost the email you sent me that you had listed yours in... and also because I got sidetracked trying to find the conversion of Degrees in decimal form to DMS form [Degrees-minutes-seconds] because I had done it before for the Septile in a method I came up with for doing so...and after a lot of time spent trying to word the question just right so google would understand what I wanted...i finally found something that I was able to use to really be able to figure it out...only to find that the diff. between what I had come up with the first time...was only off by one second of a degree... it's 51* 25' 42.8556" or to be in total DMS form rounded up to 43".

I also was going to post at your Thread on the Part of Imprisonment a link to what I had written some many months back about the Part at the actastrology forum...which may be what I thought I had written to you and had realized awhile back that I might very well have been in error writing that 'we had discussed' the Part...when in fact it was just a post on another thread at a a whole different forum.

So, anyways... I am relieved that you weren't absent out for reason of anything I might have wrote or did... and the work ain't going anywhere... it's always there and always in need.

...and the post by greybeard in the Yeshu'a chart thread, yesterday wherein He mentions Mars retro and stating that he considers the period all the way back in Dec to late July to be of a complete span for consideration as to the current retro of Mars.... that got me looking at the current economic situation...as I mentioned...and i checked the "Retro threeplay-fourplay thread and found that neither of us posted a chart of the Mars retro. and then realized that i never got around to even checking out the entire timeline on the ephemeris... [man, i have so many loose ends presently]

...so, now instead of predicting the period to be watching and concerned about, r.e. late August to late September-Oct 5th... I'm thinking, possibly, that the time to be aware of is very late in the day on June 29th...which is a Sunday [around 9 pm edst] so Monday the 30th is the call and on July 3rd is the exact conj. ...but i didn't even get around to casting a chart for it today.


...although, I must say... as I don't recall having known or read anything written by you on the subject... that i was more than a bit surprised to find that Your PoF is conj. the part of Imprisonment of the United States and if your Part of Catastrophe is truly in the 8th of Cap. [as just a few seconds earlier it's conj. my Part of Hyleg...which ids another thing altogether] well, as to the two of them, combined, that kind of explains why your so out of sorts with the Nation... not that just about anybody wouldn't also be...or should be...at this time. Your own part of Imprisonment surprised me in that i can totally see it as being more cause for the title of the Part being as so... pleasant surprise to find that your Part of Soul is conj. my Lot of Victory.

It's late here now...10.30 pm... I need to sleep... i have to finish up with ms toxics request tomorrow first thing... I do hope that she's okay...she hasn't been back to the forum for weeks..s it appears...and she is going through kind of the same as your bf... ifyaknowwatimean...?

...and once I get my plate cleared of the astro stuff that's presently on it... I have to get busy with trying to find a place to relocate to as the situation is getting disturbing here...not just environmentally but due to an adversary that just won't let me be... via his minions that, had it not been for Clarisse being there for me when I call, it may have gotten very, very serious... and so the decision is to move away from here as far as possible...leave no forwarding address and if any of those mo fo's show up there... I'll see what I can do about getting the temporary use of a 'Heavenly Host' and make 'em wish they had never even heard of my name.


but, other than all that... it's all good... and good to hear from you too... real goood.
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Well, it took me until a hour ago to get down to one last hermetic Lot that i have to post and analysis for ms toxic's request thread...man, it turned out to be a lot more involved than I had anticipated... i don't know that I'll ever do another full spectrum spiritual analysis for anyone here at the forum as that took uncounted hours that actually became days, I'm sure... or at least a couple of days in terms of total hours spent.

Since I have been posting photos the last few days heres a picture I took from a page of Rabbi Dobin's book, "Kabbalistic Astrology".
If anyone has read my book or any post where-in i mention that the reason I started with a endeavor concerning the astrological and Yeshu'a/Jesus then you know that it was to search a apprx. 20 year window ...10 B.C. to 10 A.D., give or take a year or two either way...for potential Grand Sextile matrices [a Star of Solomon, Magen David] that might have occurred during that time as for the reason i believe that I have seen a number of suggestions or hints that the Jews expect the "Messiah" to be born with a complete six point one on the Messiah's nantal chart and that Dane Rudhyar also seemed to hint at that same idea.

This is an illustraation that is on a page near the back of the book that is a mystery in that there was no explanation given for it, it's not part of the chart/illustration that is below it on that page and the square inside the Nagen David with Saturn in the middle of the square all together ...as you'll notice that at the six points of the 'Star" are the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter...if a Grand Cross were superimposed over the Star diagram, symmetrically ...then given that it should be thought of in such a way then there is the Sun, Moon and all the planets from Mercury to Saturn and three points of the superimposed Grand Cross that seem to need to be filled and what would anyone think could, would or should occupy those 3 vacant points?
Here's a close up, I apologize for the felt pen stains on the diagram, I get nervous hands, sometimes, when in deep thought and I had a pen in my hand as I studied the diagram tapping the page with the tip of the pen as I pondered...






...could they be Uranus, Neptune and Pluto... do ya' think?
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