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Unread 07-18-2020, 09:21 PM
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Re: Timing chart for contact.

Yes I can confirm this method which chrysalis mentioned.It's not new or better to say it's also a known technique in vedic astrology horary.
About July 28...I calculated it due to the Ruling planets (stellar system) of the chart. However, this would be 12 days or 2 weeks, which I actually didn't find in the tropical chart.


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Yes I can confirm this method which chrysalis mentioned.It's not new or better to say it's also a known technique in vedic astrology horary.
About July 28...I calculated it due to the Ruling planets (stellar system) of the chart. However, this would be 12 days or 2 weeks, which I actually didn't find in the tropical chart.
Go to the known outcome timing chart that dirius left us to look at for timing. You can see how the technique of transits to the horary work on there.
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Re: Timing chart for contact.

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Plus Venus ruling 4th (end-of-the-matter)
Plus Planetary Scores
- Almutens of ASC = Saturn (9) and Mars (16)
- Almutens of VII = Moon (0) and Venus (9)
Whats this mean Ouranos?

This is Lilly's Table to Examine the Strength & Debility of Each Planet
Link here
https://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig5.html

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Kalinka further to my reply to you, i think you could be on the mark with this 4 days. As in 4 days (from the date of the chart), there will be a NM sun/moon opposing saturn and Tr Mars will be at 12'49 Aries which sextiles the horary venus at 12'49.
Transits to the horary is a new timing technique im testing out. I checked back on Dirius timing chart and it worked.
The most reliable timing technique I have found to work is the one from Ema Kurent.
https://www.emakurent.com/en/2017/02...ary-astrology/

Every degree corresponds to one unit of time. Units can be minutes, days, weeks, months or years. Be flexible and use common sense, don't follow rigid rules.
1) You count the number of degrees that are separating the Moon from an exact aspect (any aspect) with the significator. Stick with the modality of the Moon, cardinal, fixed, mutable to determine the time unit.
2) Or the number of degrees that separate the Moon or the significator from one of the angles (could be a change in the matter also)
3) Or the number of degrees that separate the Moon or the significator from the end of the sign they are in.(Never tested this one)

A personal case of mine when I had to show up in court in a lawsuit. The Judge was VenusL10 and SaturnL7 of lawsuits (62 degrees apart). I couldn't schedule anything in this case, I had to comply with the Judge so. 57 weeks (57 degrees) the Moon was conjunct the ASC of the Chart. 62 weeks later (62 degrees), Venus conjunct Saturn, the Judge said 'Not guilty'.

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Re: Timing chart for contact.

Timing is so tricky.
Lately I've been referring also to this table. It's been helpful.
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Timing is so tricky.
Lately I've been referring also to this table. It's been helpful.
And then we have Frawley saying that cadent houses are the quickest And in dirius timing chart, mars was cadent but the timing did happen in days not months. So all we can do is go by experience.

I expect the best thing would be to look back at past charts that had a timing question and see how the timing manifested itself.

I'll try and find some on here and i'll place them all in one thread for timing.
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Yes Timing is very tricky
I think the whole idea ElenaJ is to use the Moon in your Table (by sign and house) to provide a Time Unit to start up with.
And then, you ask yourself Does it make sense by questioning the querent.
Chrysalis mentions previous communications in the past week where the quesited says he wants to 'hurry up'
In the current question, the Time Unit (mutable and succedent) says 'Months'. For what we know, it sounds more like days.
Next, we measure the Moon or the significators -
- Moon change sign in 23 units
- Moon changes quadrant (cusp of 7th) in 44 units
- Moon quincunx Saturn 22 units
- Sun in 7th to SaturnL1 in 1st in 4 units - This one seems logical
So I would say in 4 days, Monday July 20th
I would still keep an eye on the 22-23 units as they show up twice (Moon quincunx Saturn and changing sign)
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this is just for my studies... If he will contact you tomorrow it should be between 4.25-5 pm, gmt+2. In any case between 2.10-5.25 pm.
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Make sure you answer the phone, Chrysalis, we are all suspended here waiting to hear what happens!!
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Make sure you answer the phone, Chrysalis, we are all suspended here waiting to hear what happens!!
Hmm, i can't be too sure about that. The timing of the missed call will be recorded of course
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Re: Timing chart for contact.

Im thinking its going to be Thursday, this would be 7 days after ive done the chart. The reason im saying this is because on Thursday moon will be in Virgo at 12 square horary Venus around 10pm my time and Mercury will be conjunct the Dsc at 11 Cancer.

Maybe an extra day or two is needed because of the moon being slow.
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this is just for my studies... If he will contact you tomorrow it should be between 4.25-5 pm, gmt+2. In any case between 2.10-5.25 pm.
Your timing for tomorrow from my location at approx 17.50pm the newmoon will oppose horary saturn from 28 Cancer and Tr mars will be at 1247 Aries sextile horary venus. So tomorrow looks possible, but that would only give a 4 time unit frame. And The NM will be conjunct my natal Jupiter and TR mars will oppose my natal mars (mars rules my 3rd house).

Lets see.
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Re: Timing chart for contact.

Elena, you mentioned this in a reply... "For example, that your ruler saturn is in the degree of the nodes.
Mars, 3rd ruler of communications, is with Chiron.
What is going on with all this?"

The part about Saturn being in the degree of the nodes. Tomorrow's Newmoon will be in the degree of the nodes too at 28 Cancer. Am i taking it this new moon will not bring anything positive because of this?
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Re: Timing chart for contact.

Glad you mentioned this.
When a planet is in the degree of the nodes it means an unforeseeable outcome, and you have no control over it.
Let's see what happens, maybe this will shed some light on how it works out.
We're all tuned in to this communication tomorrow, to know the outcome. !!
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Re: Timing chart for contact.

Nothing for today.
The new moon today was opposite asc/Saturn, but with it being restrictive miserable cold-hearted Saturn its not brought anything.

Today would have been 4 degrees timing though, and the degrees are more 5 degrees apart...moon - venus & mercury - Dsc.

Let's see tomorrow.
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I'm not seeing him contacting you at least til July 27/28. Other possibility would be on August 1. Let's see :-/
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And then we have Frawley saying that cadent houses are the quickest And in dirius timing chart, mars was cadent but the timing did happen in days not months. So all we can do is go by experience.

I expect the best thing would be to look back at past charts that had a timing question and see how the timing manifested itself.

I'll try and find some on here and i'll place them all in one thread for timing.
It is fair to point out that given the context of my chart "days" was the only realistic time unit.

Months would have been imposible, and weeks unlikely given the long aspect.
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I'm not seeing him contacting you at least til July 27/28. Other possibility would be on August 1. Let's see :-/
He called last night 28th at 11.07pm. Your Stella prediction was correct.

When you say "stella system" you do mean midpoints, right? And can you tell me how you got this date using this technique as i can't see it.

Speaking of midpoints. Yesterday i had Tr Mercury exactly conjunct my sun/Moon midpoint (Tr Mer = Su/Mo) and the first time that he called at 11.07pm Tr moon was also exactly (almost to the min) conjunct my Venus/Asc midpoint (Tr mo = Asc/Ve). So it looks like these came into play too.

First call was at 11.07pm, i didnt answer, he called 10 mins later and i still didnt answer. I didnt really want to be answering syraight away with how he's gone on. If he calls me again i'll answer.
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Re: Timing chart for contact.

Chrysalis,
Glad that he contacted you.
And not surprised you did not answer (Saturn own sign R)
So we have 12 units
And Kalinka with her stellar system was right on the spot.
Would also like to learn more
I have found this link http://stellarastrology.in/app/ to draw a chart Indian style

Trad method, we also find ASC opp Sun in 7th (13 units) and from Moon's position 7 Gem 18 + 12 units = 19 Gem 18 = Contra-Antiscion ASC

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Re: Timing chart for contact.

glad to hear that he finally called. I'm curious now what he has to say.
The stellar system is a generalization of vedic astrology concepts, which use the Nakshatra and sublord levels of the planets and placidus houses to predict an event. It was invented by K S Krishnamurti (Kp System) but meanwhile it has also many "upgrades" (4 Step theory, Nakshatra Nadi, Cuspal Interlink theory).
As I wrote before, I can't see the time from the tropical chart that you posted. I used the date and ascendant degree of your chart to construct my sidereal kp chart. Then, as you maybe saw this in other threads, I'm using the Ruling Planets and the 249 kp number table to figure out the right time. With this method it is theoretically possible to determine exactly to the second .

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Re: Timing chart for contact.

Thanks for sharing how you saw the timing. I'm going to have to look into this method, as your timing was spot on.

Yes, i want to know what he's got to say too. I'm now thinking i should have answered, but i was shocked of the call at the time. And also i didn't want him to think id been sat awaiting his call, so i thought id not answer because of this reason too. If he really wants to speak to me he should call back at some point and this time i'll answer.
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Have found this link to download Free Software
Jagannatha Hora
Free Vedic Astrology Software - Version 8.0
https://www.vedicastrologer.org/jh/index.htm
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Krishnamoorthy Paddhati (KP) and Free E-book Vedic Astro Textbook - 500 pages explaining the whole system.
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Re: Timing chart for contact.

Ive found this too ...

https://idoc.pub/documents/kp-table-...s-6nq8r6we7znw

Just don't know how to use it as of yet.
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Re: Timing chart for contact.

it's great to see that I could arouse interest for other western/traditional astrologers to study vedic astrology I recommend to read the Kp Readers (1-6) of Krishnamurti, which you can receive free for download as pdf
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Ive found this too ...

https://idoc.pub/documents/kp-table-...s-6nq8r6we7znw

Just don't know how to use it as of yet.
this is just the number table I mentioned :-D KP uses numbers for casting a horary. Sure, you can't have any idea how to use it. Therefore you have to understand how the system works. So you have to understand the basics first and moreover, should have basics in vedic astrology (how to read a chart, what are nakshatras and sublords etc.) ...till you get at the end to use this table. Predicting time with Kp belongs rather to the 'advanced level'...hence, you should not get tempted to skip over important steps by learning kp astrology.

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Re: Timing chart for contact.

Yep, as I have said on multiple threads, from personal experience, I have had much much better- accurate results from Jyotiish Astrology than Western. Both the Jyotish Astrologers I have known in my life did not use any of the new planets or things like Chiron/Lilith. They were accurate in 95% of the readings I recd.

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