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Unread 01-22-2021, 11:46 AM
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I noticed a pattern of 'changing people's lives' for better or for worse...

Here is my chart: https://imgur.com/a/RHvX7p6

I know it is a strange request, but I have noticed that once I get into someone's life (either as a friend, lover or whatever) their lives change completely.

It usually happens that I feel like I bring 'misfortune' to those around me. People lose money, or they have accidents when I'm around... I know I shouldn't think like this, but I have also noticed that tragedy follows, nothing happens to me, but the people around always seem affected by my presence. Even my grandmother have told me that I am a 'bad luck charm'.

On the other hand, when people are unlucky and befriend me, their lives change for the better. They become more outgoing, happier and even a bit more fulfilled!

My best friend is a Taurus Sun/Aries Moon and he lost his son just 3 days before we met, and ever since I always make sure to call him, visit him, give him presents and he told me that if it wasn't for me, he would not be able to get through the pain of losing his son.

Would be nice to know if there is any type of explanation in my chart as to why I bring all that 'change' on those around me?

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Unread 01-22-2021, 05:26 PM
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Do you know much astrology? What is your theory?
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Unread 01-22-2021, 05:48 PM
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Re: I noticed a pattern of 'changing people's lives' for better or for worse...

Not really, but I'm trying to learn more about it. I am not sure if it has to do with my Pluto, or my badly aspected Saturn or even if my stelliums signify anything! lol

I don't have any theory tbh, just a lot of complex thoughts as to why everything around me goes through so much change when I'm around.
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Unread 01-22-2021, 08:05 PM
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Not really, but I'm trying to learn more about it. I am not sure if it has to do with my Pluto, or my badly aspected Saturn or even if my stelliums signify anything! lol

I don't have any theory tbh, just a lot of complex thoughts as to why everything around me goes through so much change when I'm around.
You have an 8th house stellium, these are pretty intense in my memory of those Iíve known with them. Your Ascendant ruler Venus is in the stellium. Your most angular planet is domiciled Pluto at 7th cusp. This amplifies intensity in your relationships.

Itís all disposited by Jupiter in Virgo, because Sag rules 8th cusp, though most of the planets are in Capricorn and closely trine that Jupiter. Itís possible your family feels the effects more.

On the note of your family, Your SN in Cancer 2nd house, and you have cheerful H3 Leo Moon! (conjunct Chiron, which tends to be a highly sensitive placement, like shaking hands when you have a broken finger bone) - H9 Aquarius Saturn opposition. Likely you have some very intensely experienced early childhood wounding connected with your mama, may be karmic. (NN in Capricorn, Sun at 29th degree of that sign.)

They do say one of the surest ways to cheer yourself is to cheer others Do you have some professional outlet for doing so, like a career as counselor or business consultant, so it takes the pressure off your every day relationships? If not you should probably find some way to structure that activity you observe.

Apologies but this is all typed on small screen.
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Unread 01-22-2021, 08:09 PM
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Re: I noticed a pattern of 'changing people's lives' for better or for worse...

Maybe itís just life.

Or maybe any psychological turmoil felt on the inside is physically reflected on the inside in the form of subconscious collective archetypes that naturally is exist for all of us. And by healing ourselves we will begin to see changes in these archetypes around us. To begin this process maybe all we need to do is ask the Universes to show it to us.

With your heavy 8th house it makes sense you would be acutely aware of this and you are beginning to unravel its mystery.
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Unread 01-22-2021, 08:28 PM
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Re: I noticed a pattern of 'changing people's lives' for better or for worse...

Thank you for your reply Passiflora.

I am currently working as an art dealer, usually auctions and private clients who are interested in in either 'proving their wealth' or trying to find their roots (i.e.: Australians buying Scottish antiques to feel closer to their roots). I am not sure if that is an outlet as you mentioned, but it is worth trying to think of what I could use that energy towards.

By the way, you are right about my mom/family. In fact, my dad and my mom both abandoned me when I was born (they were drug addicts) and the hospital 'forced' my grandmother to adopt me because I was born full of health problems, thanks to all the drug abuse from my mom's side and they needed an adult responsible to sign the documents allowing me to get surgeries, etc.

My grandmother never forgave me for that and over the years she kept telling me over and over how I spoiled all her plans, how my presence changed everything and how poor she became once I arrived as she had to retire earlier to take care of me. Not to mention, her husband at the time left her and she kind of blamed me for that.

I got so sick of her **** that I ran away from home and never looked back. I eventually moved to another country, married, got a house, etc. But in the mean time I noticed that 'it is your fault pattern' happening over and over, it may be that I am more aware of it because my grandmother was mean to me and accused me of spoiling things, but it happens way to often to be just a coincidence, if you know what I mean?

What I noticed quite often, is that people usually come to my life when a cycle needs to end. Be it good or bad. A cycle of suffering, or happiness, of poverty, or wealthiness, of misbehaving, or behaving too well, etc.

There was this time, when I worked for a PC repair place and a guy asked if I could go to his house and fix his computer, so I did, but the job was a bit trickier than I expected so I had to visit him 3 other times until I found the right pieces, 2 months later he found out where I lived, knocked on my door and told me that his wife was leaving him because she thought that we were having an affair! How crazy is that? Basically she used me as an excuse to leave her ****** marriage, someone who had nothing to do with them AT ALL.

I could go on, but I think that message is long enought already! lol

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Unread 01-22-2021, 09:23 PM
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Re: I noticed a pattern of 'changing people's lives' for better or for worse...

Why did you choose this particular screen name?

I am sorry to hear that your childhood was so difficult and you were separated from your parents. For many people drug addiction is not really a choice, nor are they afforded opportunities to work through their addiction. I am sure you have covered this ground in exhausting detail as you grew up. It is hard to tell the heart logical things, so we do that for the mind's sake, not the heart's sake.

Have you considered doing some kind of prayer, meditation, or material donation for your grandmother (regardless of whether she is still alive)? This would help cleanse the family karma, kind of the way your mother and grandmother's karma is folded over and handed back to you, your mind grasps and clutches and doubles over what you carry around in the heart.

Instigating tragedy and being present for and attuned to it are different things.

Art/ antiques dealer is a very suitable activity, especially the way you describe it which makes use of the 4th house Virgo Jupiter. Lots of counseling, negotiation, construction of identity, partnership, etc.
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Unread 01-22-2021, 09:46 PM
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Re: I noticed a pattern of 'changing people's lives' for better or for worse...

When I was in university, my teacher asked us to choose a Japanese nickname to use in class, so I looked a few names online and found '富敏' (Futoshi), which means 'richness' the first character 富 means wealth and the second one 敏 means shrewd. I use it for most of my online presence tbh.

My childhood was awful, but over the years I 'got over it', had a lot of counselling and now I'm on antidepressants to help with the mental breakdowns, nowadays I'm able to visualise a bit better the reasoning behind my childhood and accept that I am now better off than I used to be 15 years ago, which is a huge step. I made my own path and followed it.

I have not tried any type of karma cleansing tbh, I used to meditate, but when the depression became worse I stopped. I should give it a try again, now that things are better thanks to Zoloft. My grandmother died when I was 17, I was told by a friend that she was in hospital and would not survive, so I went there to visit her and she didn't even look me in the eyes or talked to me. She died the next day.

You might be onto something there. I was once told by a very sensitive lady that I carry the karma of my family and I have a lot of work to do to get rid of it. Now it sounds a bit clearer.

I am glad to hear that I chose a profession that is suitable to an area of my chart. I have tried to become an artist for years, but got rejected from every art school I tried, so I decided to study history of art, which is close enough, I was fascinated with the subject once I started studying it and became very interested in the research aspect of it. I love researching stuff and if history is involved, then my interest doubles! lol
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Re: I noticed a pattern of 'changing people's lives' for better or for worse...

Oh, don't do dissociative meditation if it's not good for you. As you have experienced there are kinds of meditation that can make you feel mentally susceptible to re-experiencing past traumas. You could undertake meditations that are more grounding than dissociating, to beneficial effect, with your Asc in Taurus.
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