Curious of what people think this may mean

Zeuses

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Using placidus I have mars and sun both in the 8th house Aries natally but no close orb conjunction. Jupiter and mercury are in 9th. By equal house however my mars is in 7th but sun, Jupiter are in 8th plus mercury in Taurus in 8th. Quite different. What would you think an affect would be of the first eg sun mars 8th compared to equal house of mercury, Jupiter and sun 8th but mars 7th?

Thanks
 

JUPITERASC

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Using placidus I have mars and sun both in the 8th house Aries natally
but no close orb conjunction.
Jupiter and mercury are in 9th.
By equal house however my mars is in 7th but sun, Jupiter are in 8th
plus mercury in Taurus in 8th.
Quite different.
What would you think an affect would be of the first eg sun mars 8th
compared to equal house of mercury, Jupiter and sun 8th but mars 7th?

Thanks
Posting an image of natal using equal houses :smile:
to contrast with an image of same natal using placidus
supports discussion
i.e.
entire chart must be considered
aspects viewed in isolation
lead to unreliable delineation


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Zeuses

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Posting an image of natal using equal houses :smile:
to contrast with an image of same natal using placidus
supports discussion
i.e.
entire chart must be considered
aspects viewed in isolation
lead to unreliable delineation


.
Thankyou for your response. Here is the placidus https://i.imgur.com/kXnvvJg.png. and here is the equal https://imgur.com/txvWKFp
 
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JUPITERASC

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Zeuses

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Your a generous soul eh. You help so many members out with your links and knowledge. Is the above based on traditional or modern?
 
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Zeuses

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Still trying to get my head around the above. So you are saying that the first two houses show experiences of life and values whilst the asc are characteristics? So Pluto in first would explain a lot about my experiences and asc would show what I am eg I value education and used to be analytical and a bit of a perfectionist with myself (used to be). I have no planets in the second so what does that mean? There has never been anything permanent in my life and nor do I usually seek permanence in anything but used to just go with the flow.
 
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JUPITERASC

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Your a generous soul eh.
You help so many members out with your links and knowledge.


Is the above based on traditional or modern?
Modernist astrology is dependent on as well as based on Traditional :smile:
Still trying to get my head around the above.
So you are saying that the first two houses
show experiences of life and values
whilst the asc are characteristics?
Main Rulerships of First House are :smile:
Life, vitality and health.

Stature, colour, complexion, form and shape of body.
Older sources note its influence upon the intellect,
the way the mind works, and speech.

First house represents the focal point for the personality
and manner of expression.

As well as describing the physical appearance,
the condition of this house
and that of its planetary ruler
indicates the level of personal vitality and strength
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h1.html
I have no planets in the second so what does that mean?

There has never been anything permanent in my life
and nor do I usually seek permanence in anything
but used to just go with the flow.


Siriusly - Everything is in any event ultimately transient :smile:

Main Rulerships of 2nd House are
Resources, material comforts,

earnings and all issues concerning wealth
or
of a financial nature.
The manner of attaining wealth
- note sign on cusp, planetary ruler and its condition.
Personal goods and belongings, assets
income, gain, money lent to others,
profit
- or loss when afflicted
support and assistance from others.

Succeedent houses generally show the resources and support
given to the preceding angle
ie
the 5th will show the financial status and assistants of the father
the 8th will show the wealth of the partner
as well as the enemy's resources and supporters :smile:

and the
11th will show the friends and supporters of whoever is in power
and the profit to be made from the business.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h2.html


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Zeuses

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Modernist astrology is dependent on as well as based on Traditional :smile:

Main Rulerships of First House are :smile:
Life, vitality and health.

Stature, colour, complexion, form and shape of body.
Older sources note its influence upon the intellect,
the way the mind works, and speech.

First house represents the focal point for the personality
and manner of expression.

As well as describing the physical appearance,
the condition of this house
and that of its planetary ruler
indicates the level of personal vitality and strength
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h1.html



Siriusly - Everything is in any event ultimately transient :smile:

Main Rulerships of 2nd House are
Resources, material comforts,

earnings and all issues concerning wealth
or
of a financial nature.
The manner of attaining wealth
- note sign on cusp, planetary ruler and its condition.
Personal goods and belongings, assets
income, gain, money lent to others,
profit
- or loss when afflicted
support and assistance from others.

Succeedent houses generally show the resources and support
given to the preceding angle
ie
the 5th will show the financial status and assistants of the father
the 8th will show the wealth of the partner
as well as the enemy's resources and supporters :smile:

and the
11th will show the friends and supporters of whoever is in power
and the profit to be made from the business.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h2.html


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Thankyou again. If only I hadn't been born premature I may have avoided Pluto in the first and sun in the 8th the bains of my life lol. With the first it will be mercury then because of Virgo asc and Pluto in the first probably influencing the house I imagine. Never had money from anyone ever whether partners, family etc so no surprise its empty in the second (like my pockets) lol. The 8th must be afflicted as main partners had less than I. Tended to walk away from relationships with people who had money but that was about personalities as I'm more driven by an individual rather than what they have materially. Told you sun in 8th bain of my life.
 
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JUPITERASC

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Thankyou again.
. Never had money from anyone ever whether partners, f
amily etc so no surprise
its empty in the second (like my pockets) lol.
if a house is empty the ruler of that house is elsewhere
and influences the house it rules :smile:

The 8th must be afflicted as main partners had less than I.
Tended to walk away from relationships with people who had money
but that was about personalities
as I'm more driven by an individual
rather than what they have materially.
Told you sun in 8th bain of my life.
many people with Sun in 8th do not have the issues that you have
because each individual Sun in 8th

is not necessarily aspected by the same planets
as every other Sun in 8th is aspected by


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Zeuses

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if a house is empty the ruler of that house is elsewhere
and influences the house it rules :smile:


many people with Sun in 8th do not have the issues that you have
because each individual Sun in 8th

is not necessarily aspected by the same planets
as every other Sun in 8th is aspected by


.

Thankyou. Venus is the ruler of the second house and is placed in the tenth. The only aspect I have to the sun is moon square at 6 degrees so quite a wide orb. That is between 5th moon and 8th sun. There is also only one aspect to Pluto and that is it sextiles Neptune natally. I was partly joking as I think historically Pluto gives a lot of internal strength and resilience, whilst I think the sun in 8th gives depth to personality but those are just my thoughts and I guess those things could be down to other aspects and placements. I think it makes sense what you say about empty house and ruler as I worked all of my life from being a teenager up until a few years ago so it represents me working for any money I had. Thanks again for your time as always.
 
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