The 2nd House Cancer

lazarusx

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I recently went through a very tough financial situation whereby i found myself completely broke, it's common for me to save a substantial amount of money and then spend it gradually on something like travelling.

But this was the first time i found myself totally broke, and it spun my emotions into a tail-spin of severe depression, hopelessness and despair. I have since recovered but have had to sacrifice a great deal in order to do so.

When i was in my early twenties i convinced myself that i didn't need much money and could be happy just 'getting by'. But now almost 26 i'm beginning to understand that my emotional well-being/security is directly linked to having a substantial amount of money placed away or invested.

My Sun is in Cancer 2nd house, it seems i NEED that nest egg of money in order to feel balanced and stable. I have an incredible ability to save money and budget, perhaps even to a fault.

My question is.. i don't particularly like feeling dependent on an external resource to feel stable and centered, yet it seems as though it's in my nature? I have a very minimalist philosophy on life and care little for material wealth however i value making and saving/investing money a great deal.

Im not sure my question was clear, but is this typical of 2nd house suns/cancer in relation to money?

Thanks.

This is my chart:
 

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JUPITERASC

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I recently went through a very tough financial situation whereby i found myself completely broke, it's common for me to save a substantial amount of money and then spend it gradually on something like travelling.

But this was the first time i found myself totally broke, and it spun my emotions into a tail-spin of severe depression, hopelessness and despair. I have since recovered but have had to sacrifice a great deal in order to do so.

When i was in my early twenties i convinced myself that i didn't need much money and could be happy just 'getting by'. But now almost 26 i'm beginning to understand that my emotional well-being/security is directly linked to having a substantial amount of money placed away or invested.

My Sun is in Cancer 2nd house, it seems i NEED that nest egg of money in order to feel balanced and stable. I have an incredible ability to save money and budget, perhaps even to a fault.

My question is..
i don't particularly like feeling dependent on an external resource to feel stable and centered,
yet it seems as though it's in my nature?

I have a very minimalist philosophy on life and care little for material wealth
however i value making and saving/investing money a great deal.

Im not sure my question was clear,
but is this typical of 2nd house suns/cancer in relation to money?

Thanks.

This is my chart:
The fact is that generalisation is unreliable
those who 'have a very minimalist philosophy on life and care little for material wealth'
while simulataneously also they 'value making and saving/investing money a great deal'
are not necessarily ALL Cancer Sun located in 2nd house! :smile:

Your question as to whether this is your nature
could be answered by studying a medieval astrological technique
known as THE PRIMARY MOTIVATION

The type of Delineation I'm giving here is a mix of medieval techniques with those of the Hellenistic authors.
Robert Zoller played great role in my traditional astrology education and this is obvious for those who are familiar with his work.
I need to mention that even though Zoller was initially very fond on Arabia authors, his basic delineation techniques are taken from the early reneissance French astrologer Morin. Zoller studied with Zoltan Mason who introduced Morin and his basic natal delineation to Zoller. Zoltan was also one of the first translators of Morin.

Here are some tips for delineating the chart in this manner.

1. The good or bad signified by a house emanates from the ruler of the house.
This is the basic rule. The ruler of the house is giver of the material of the house.

Zoller gives the example of his own chart where he has Combusted Mercury in 11th, ruler of 4th.
He comments that this kind of placement brings adversity to ones home and dwellings.

2. Benefit in one area of life can be produced by adversity, or even conflict, in another.

Again Zoller gives example from his own chart.
Jupiter in 9th in Scorpio disposited from Mars in 11th: Wisdom coming from conflicts.

3. The delineation tells you the what. The
predictive techniques tell you the when.


4. The Elemental Quality of the Sign of the Ascendant is showing the type of Primary Motivation of the native.

Fire goes for freedom of action and power.
Air goes for freedom of expression and movement.

The Water signs need emotional security


Earth signs need physical security.

The person with masculine Ascendant (or majority of planets in masculine signs) speaks in active terms: "I did this to that person".
The person with feminine sign on Ascendant or majority planets in feminine signs, speaks in passive terms: "This happened to me".

The Feminine signs seek advice because they need second hand in their decisions, in fact they want someone else to make the decision for them.
Masculine signs seek advice because they have many options so they are not sure which option is better.

Cardinal signs are most active. Cardinal water and earth (Cancer and Capricorn) are working great amount of actions but in circumstances and environment structured already by someone else.
Libra and Aries (Cardinal masculine) are working great in any kind of circumstances.

Fixed signs are centripetal, they need center. They are very successful in Acquisations.
Taurus hoards money.
Leo hoards glory and honor.
Scorpio hoards the hidden things, hidden motivations of other people, seek energy and vitality.
Aquarius hoards Knowledge.

Mutable signs vacillate between the two: cardinal and fixed.

5. Examine the planets which most closely aspect the Ascendant.

These planets add to the Primary Motivation.


Planets aspecting the Ascendant represent powers the native can use in the world.

The aspecting planet's local determination will be added to the Primary
Motivation.
(Venus in 5th will add love for pleasure and entertainment to the native's Primary Motivation).

The aspect between the aspecting planet and the Ascendant tells you how the being of the planet and its local determination are linked.

6. The Ruler of the Ascendant by its house position tells you where (what area of life)
the native will seek to realize his/her Primary Motivation.


Look also at all 5 dignity rulers in the place of the ASC. The Almuten and Exalted ruler are lamost as significant as the domicile ruler (sometimes even more).

The Ruler of the Ascendant (as well as the other rulers) by its nature and zodiacal state shows the methods the native will use and the success or failure of the drive.

This is great quote by Zoller:
"This is of great practical value. By means of it, we may understand what the native wants.
All other wants and desires are negotiable, but not the Primary Motivation. If you interfere with another person's ability to realize their Primary Motivation, they are gone."


Lets assume that a person has Cancer on the Ascendant,
The primary motivation of this person is the Need for Emotional Security.
The ruler/s of the Ascendant and their zodiacal and local state will determine How would this be achieved.


Lets assume Moon on IC in Libra Peregrine.
Jupiter in 6th (but 7th sign!) in Capricorn.
Venus in Sag in 6th - Peregrine.
Mars in Scorpio in 4th (but 5th sign!)
Saturn (term ruler) is in 5th Scorpio Peregrine.

We can see that Moon is strong by accident (being on angle), so we can judge first from there.
The need for Emotional Security this person would seek in the home, in the place of the father. The father would be the means through which this person would try to achieve the Emotional Security.
Jupiter - the exalted ruler is weak by being cadent, Venus too. They can't produce much in giving the emotional security this person seeks.
Jupiter by universal means suggest that the native would seek wisdom, religion (and the person actually did!) but by being cadent and in fall, it can't productively give what it promise.
Mars is in 4/5th and is strong by zodiacal state, but is out of sect malefic.
It would try to win competitions, but also with Saturn in 5th will give great deal of creativity. Mars rules the 10th - creativity and looking for career, would also give some amount of emotional security for this person. But by being square with Sun in 7th it means that it will have opposition from authorities and other people in general.

The primary motivation is great deal of what we unconsciously and often consciously seek for. Once that motivation is broken or someone interrupt it, we seek to fix that in the every possible way we can do that.

I will continue with the tips in my next post.
 

Lin

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LazarusX,
I'd like to take a crack at answering your question (and maybe some you didn't ask) ...but..I would appreciate it if you would repost your chart with current transits....
AND in the Tropical Placidus system (not equal houses). I'm more familiar with that system and used to using it.

I will say this right away: ALL Cancers (at least all I know)- no matter what their ascendants, their moons, their philosophy come to the realization that in our world, here in the 21st century, SECURITY means property.

Why you have these conflicting responses will be addressed after I see the next chart.

BTW, this sense of wanting to have backup cash is not confined to Sun in Cancer. I have Jupiter and Venus in Cancer and after decades of never thinking of the future it suddenly dawned on me that no matter how distasteful it is, and with my heavy Leo and Gemini it WAS distasteful, the Electric company and Oil company need to be paid in cash. And will, as long as I live!! So...I hear you.
LIN
 

R4VEN

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I recently went through a very tough financial situation whereby i found myself completely broke,
I support what the above posters have said. There is more going on for you than just Cancer Sun in the 2nd. For your recent upheaval financially, I would look at the transiting Uranus-Pluto square and it's impact on both your 8th house planets, as well as the Chiron conjunct Sun in the 2nd.

I think we all live within a series of contradictory values & beliefs, and it's easy to reject material values when you have money invested and you feel secure. It is when the safety net is ripped out from underneath you that you discover what it is you really believe ........ for now, at least.

Your ability to save and invest can be described within the Chiron conjunct Sun, where a sense of the future and your destiny on earth are more accessible than they are for most of us. However those oppositions to your 8th house planets - especially Uranus - may be pushing you in another direction altogether. Perhaps you are being shown that nothing is definite or stable or secure, and that `security' means something else entirely - and Lin touched on this in her post. Neptune opposes your 2nd house planets, so maybe your `true' values are not even clear to you, and may not be for some time. All I can say is that with Chiron-Sun in the 2nd house you will have experiences/lessons around what it is you value, and what you value now at age 26 will have moved significantly by the time you are 40-45. In the meantime, you are being caught between what you think you value, and the values you act out. You are in a state of flux, so don't get too caught up in what is true for you, because perhaps both extremes are true ........ for now, at least.
 

lazarusx

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Hi everyone.

My apologies it's taken me so long to come back to this post, i've been overwhelmed with work an personal life lately but i want to respond to what's been said here.. because this is at the forefront of my life at present.

The fact is that generalisation is unreliable
those who 'have a very minimalist philosophy on life and care little for material wealth'
while simulataneously also they 'value making and saving/investing money a great deal'
are not necessarily ALL Cancer Sun located in 2nd house! :smile:


:) I understand, and i would say in retrospect when i posted this i rushed my explanation and make some generalizations that don't necessarily reflect all Cancer's in the 2nd house.. but i wasn't sure how else to get my point across.


LazarusX,
I'd like to take a crack at answering your question (and maybe some you didn't ask) ...but..I would appreciate it if you would repost your chart with current transits....
AND in the Tropical Placidus system (not equal houses). I'm more familiar with that system and used to using it.

I will say this right away: ALL Cancers (at least all I know)- no matter what their ascendants, their moons, their philosophy come to the realization that in our world, here in the 21st century, SECURITY means property.

Why you have these conflicting responses will be addressed after I see the next chart.

BTW, this sense of wanting to have backup cash is not confined to Sun in Cancer. I have Jupiter and Venus in Cancer and after decades of never thinking of the future it suddenly dawned on me that no matter how distasteful it is, and with my heavy Leo and Gemini it WAS distasteful, the Electric company and Oil company need to be paid in cash. And will, as long as I live!! So...I hear you.
LIN

Haha, yes quite right. I have been living quite ignorantly of the future choosing instead to enjoy the present and always assumed that money was simply a resource that would come and go.. however after turning 25 and hitting this financial wall i found myself entrenched in reality and i came to realize that unless i plan carefully starting now.. i am going to be in a world of trouble later on.

I have attached my chart below with the Placidus house system and current transits.


Your ability to save and invest can be described within the Chiron conjunct Sun, where a sense of the future and your destiny on earth are more accessible than they are for most of us. However those oppositions to your 8th house planets - especially Uranus - may be pushing you in another direction altogether. Perhaps you are being shown that nothing is definite or stable or secure, and that `security' means something else entirely - and Lin touched on this in her post. Neptune opposes your 2nd house planets, so maybe your `true' values are not even clear to you, and may not be for some time. All I can say is that with Chiron-Sun in the 2nd house you will have experiences/lessons around what it is you value, and what you value now at age 26 will have moved significantly by the time you are 40-45. In the meantime, you are being caught between what you think you value, and the values you act out. You are in a state of flux, so don't get too caught up in what is true for you, because perhaps both extremes are true ........ for now, at least.

Hi Raven.

Hmm that's interesting, i didn't even consider my Chiron placement. Value is actually a focal point for me at the moment and im finding myself redefining what i value or at least attempting to refine them.. but there's still a lot of fog. I started writing a month ago.. detailing my experience's with travel and my approach to a minimalist philosophy and what i found is the core of the writing is based around what i value, in fact value seems to be the defining part of my writing.

Been shown that there is nothing definite or stable/secure would be an accurate analysis. Friends come and go, so does work and jobs, relationships, money and also family.. i have lost and been forced to let go of many things i felt were permanent and this has left me feeling lost. And perhaps as a result of this i've been forced to consider what it is i truly value.. but that point about Neptune in opposition is maybe the reason why i can't clearly define what's important too me.
 

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