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Good thread title, I like it as well...

I can't figure out 10 such don'ts. Instead, I'm going to rely on your help to find them!

I start:

When talking to an astrologer friend, never try to convince him/her about anything by bringing up your natal chart details, such as "I say this because my rising sign is Sagittarius and that means that I like fair play". It never works, only generates a reply like "Yes, but me too, I have..." and then you feel sorry you brought that up.

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Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology

Another one:

Never use your astrology blindly, but rather seek to use it in a creative way.
Astrology should not stop you from going through different life experiences, but rather be your guide to explore and understand what's going on. Such as refusing to go out with someone just because you saw some squares or oppositions in your synastry or like refusing to do something just because difficulties are foreseeable in the astrology chart. That is bad astrology! All astrology aspects can be used in a creative positive way (especially true for your soul).
Astrology is a complementary way to improve what you're already doing, not to replace what you're doing. Astrology is not spiritual by itself, but it can help you if you're already on the spiritual path.
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Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology

Never use astrology to avoid taking responsibility for your faults......If others find you agressive, it's due to you behaving aggressively rather than because you have a Pluto/Mars/Uranus/Asc conjunction.....Use astrology to identify and change your inappropriate behaviour rather than to explain or justify it.
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Never use astrology to avoid taking responsibility for your faults......If others find you agressive, it's due to you behaving aggressively rather than because you have a Pluto/Mars/Uranus/Asc conjunction.....Use astrology to identify and change your inappropriate behaviour rather than to explain or justify it.
Good one, thank you EJ! It's so easy to slip into that kind of reasoning: this always HAPPENS TO ME, because I have this or that in my birth chart. How lame!
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Don't get so caught up in your transits/progressions/solar arcs/returns that you forget how to live your life.

I have seen some of my friends almost become 'paralyzed' by all of the astrological data they live by. Sometimes a little goes a long way. Obviously it is nice to keep an eye on the outer planets as they dance their way around your houses. But it may be too much information to know exactly where mercury and the moon are each and every day.
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Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology

Don't be clever. An don't generalise. That is my biggest 'don'ts.'

The chart is a map after all and people more complex than black-and-white categories that do not recognise the full totality of a human being. The 'I know you better than you know yourself' just ***** when it comes across - trust me. It is not pleasant to be on the receiving end of that from someone who is more interested in proving that they are right than helping you o make sense of your chart - and your life. When you are clever and full of the brilliance of your ideas, you then lose empathy with the client.

Unfortunately most of the thought behind astrology plays right into that trap, IMHO. I took to astrology like a duck to water at one stage, but there was a one-sidedness in the way it is applied really put me off in the end, and it still does. It involves more in the way of beliefs than is often acknowledged - I feel - and to openly challenge some tenets can quickly end up with not being part of the Inner Circle. And then again, astrology is not an accepted science anyway - I had a successful course axed once, because the sceptics at the uni did not want their undergraduates having 'astrology' as a valide module in their degrees. So now, I follow with inerest the direction a lot of post-modernist inquiry may take astrology, along with what researchers like Garry Phillipson are up to.

Tracy Marks wrote a long list about the ways astrology can be misapplied, she was particularly good at challenging 'doomed, doomed, I say' prognostications, and also the ways it can be misapplied during consultations. Her list includes hiding behind jargon 'your Saturn on my Moon' instead of discussing the reality of the more painful aspects of that experience, needing to be needed (but then many a doctor, dentist and shrink may have done that to keep the rent coming in, let along being titillated by the role of astrologer), powermongering, sense of alienation that being cognisant of a special 'language' may bring in its wake - anyway, probably a lot of people know here astrology can be used as a double-edged sword
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Re: Top 10 Don'ts in Astrology

For a long time now, I have been collecting dos and donts on this Forum, just couldn`t dare to post. It is lingual / astrological and for general use.

Motivated with the post from Radu, here it is:

1. Instead of: He is a liar
According to: Beware in all Judgments, when the Significator of the question is either Combust, or in Opposition to the Sun, he will then signifie nothing of the matter, no good, nor is be able to bring anything to perfection.
More adequate:
- He is not in a position to do…
- Not totally honest…
- Suspect his honesty…
- Be careful…


2. Instead of: He is lying
According to: Planets in fall are uncomfortable and weak, having much less power to assert their own identity
And:
One Infortune joyned to another, if good be signified by their aspect, yet will it have no effect, or come to any thing: If they signifie evill, it's probably that it may fall out with more malice then expected.
More adequate:
- He is not in a position to do…
- Not totally honest…
- Suspect his honesty…
- Be careful
- In conj. with a malefic…
- Under the influence of an evil planet…


3. Instead of: Bad person
According to: Beware in all Judgments, when the Significator of the question is either Combust, or in Opposition to the Sun, he will then signifie nothing of the matter, no good, nor is be able to bring anything to perfection.
Planets in fall are uncomfortable and weak, having much less power to assert their own identity
And:
One Infortune joyned to another, if good be signified by their aspect, yet will it have no effect, or come to any thing: If they signifie evill, it's probably that it may fall out with more malice then expected.
More adequate:
- Not in a position to perform any good
- Under the influence of an evil planet…


4. Instead of: Jerk
According to: All the above
More adequate: All the above

Instead of: Weak character
According to: All the above
More adequate:
- A planet in fall / combust is not in a position to act with strength
- + all above


5. Instead of: Leave him
According to:
In every Question where Fortunes are Significators, hope well; but in Infortunes, then fear the worst, and accordingly order your business.
More adequate:
- Consider if staying with this person is in your best interest
- Since infortunes are significators, act accordingly and try to avoid emotional / personal / financial damage


6. Instead of: You will loose your dignity
According to:
The Application of the Moon to a Planet in his Fall, signifies anguish, trouble and delayes in the thing demanded.
More adequate:
- Be careful about your dignity…
- Pride
- Self-respect
- Integrity
- Your self respect is in danger


7. Instead of: Discard… it / him / that
According to:
We ought wairly to consider if evill Planets be Significators in any thing, for if they predict evill in the thing questited, the vengence is more heavy; if they foretell of any good, it's lesse then what it expected, it's imperfect, and nothing therein comes, without infinite solicitation and affliction, &c.
More adequate:
It would be better for you / the planet is indicating that… / the quality of his character or the situation will not bring you good


8. Instead of: you go to an orthopedic surgeon.
According to: - Your Diploma in Medicine…?
More adequate:
- Consider receiving an advice from a professional in that area…
- Astrology is not almighty science…
- Or no comment at all


9. Instead of: stop fooling around with astrology
According to:
- Strength to hold back Mars Uranus energy…
- Strength to hold back Mercury Uranus aspect…
More adequate:
- Astrology is not almighty science…
- This issue is overcoming the ability of astrology to explain it…
- And less adequate:
If we are fooling around with astrology than what are you doing in here fooling around with us?


10. Instead of: …tell the person I'm messing with which post I deleted.
According to:
Any positive Mercury Venus aspect in your natal…
Any positive Venus Moon aspect in your natal…
Common sense…
More adequate:
- Tell the person I am having a conversation with…
- Announce to the forum member that…
- Inform my co-member…
- Cyber sex is not allowed in here


11. Instead of: How dare you?
According to:
Any positive Mercury Venus aspect in your natal…
Any positive Venus Moon aspect in your natal…
More adequate:
- It would be nice of you
- Can you please…
- Try to fulfill my request…
- For the benefit of the conversation…
- For the benefit of the forum integrity…
- According to forum rules…


11a. Instead of: How dare you?
According to:
Common sense
Logic
Brain
More adequate:
- Please concentrate on astrology matters…
- Be so kind and express yourself in more appropriate way…
- People actually have feelings…


12. Instead of: Does anyone else notice the drama-meter going up so high that it cracked?
According to:
Our Neptune aspects
Our Sun sign (read Pisces and Sagittarius for absence)
Our MC conjunctions meaning career matters to look after…
Our Moon aspects making us ``soft``
More adequate:
- You are not noticing the drama going on
- You are not a holder of the drama - meter
- Some of you are earth signs and as follows very practical so you don’t look up
- (For Sagittarians only) You are so busy chasing… (anything – targets, goals, love of our life, the meaning of our life…) and you are not noticing the drama going on in here (or busy flirting…)


13. Instead of:
The "moderators" on this forum are such control-freaks. I think the reason for your complete tyranny is your own lives. You people probably have nothing to do all day and are scorned by every "real life person" you meet outside of the computer. You lack self-control, so you go online and apply your own control over anyone you can possibly blanket it over. That's sad. Maybe you should all group up into a nice crowd and seek psychological help together. Like, I don't know, a type of AA meeting for out of control people who sit on the computer all day and lack social contact in the outside world.
And ****, do you really think I can't see you being passive-agressive? Oh PLEASE
According to:
Common sense
Logic
Brain
More adequate:
- No comment


14. Instead of: Lurker
According to:
Common sense
Logic
Brain
More adequate:
- Please try to put some effort
- According to Forum rules, we should all give our own astrological interpretation
- It would be preferred to give your explanation instead of a comment on somebody else’s


15. Instead of: Spectator
According to:
Common sense
Logic
Brain
More adequate:
- Feel free to join any time (sounds very Sagittarian but if you have any better suggestion – feel free to join… J
- Contribute with your opinion to our beautiful society
- Enlighten us with your astrological knowledge


16. Instead of:
You remind me of a German courtesan
According to:
Uranus aspect…?!?!
More adequate:
- Your (well placedL) Uranus gives you a certain sexapil that comes out true your avatar…
- Since we have never met, reading your posts I have made a conclusion that you are a sexy person


17. Instead of:
You are not a man, gentleman, civilized person, the bigger the king lover the smaller the ego, a hobby of mine is to have king lovers with small ego on their knees…
According to:
Trine between Moon and Venus
Pisces AC for more emotion
More adequate:
- Please choose your words
- This is a public forum
- It is not a way to talk to a lady…

The ``general message`` is to choose our words, to speek in a civilized and polite way and to make this Forum a friendly and beautiful place.
Also, never to answer in an absolute way - there are stars falling and maybe some of them are lucky and will affect any ``chalenging aspect`` or transit. I am already making a wish...

[deleted overly sexual reference as it is against forum rules - Moderator]
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Don't get so caught up in your transits/progressions/solar arcs/returns that you forget how to live your life.

I have seen some of my friends almost become 'paralyzed' by all of the astrological data they live by. Sometimes a little goes a long way. Obviously it is nice to keep an eye on the outer planets as they dance their way around your houses. But it may be too much information to know exactly where mercury and the moon are each and every day.
I was going to say the exact same thing when I first saw this topic
That's what I've ever tought about it, being too caught up is dangerous because you might find yourself that YOU don't decide for your life but you let ASTROLOGY do it
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Don't get so caught up in your transits/progressions/solar arcs/returns that you forget how to live your life.

I have seen some of my friends almost become 'paralyzed' by all of the astrological data they live by. Sometimes a little goes a long way. Obviously it is nice to keep an eye on the outer planets as they dance their way around your houses. But it may be too much information to know exactly where mercury and the moon are each and every day.
Yes especially as many make the mistake of thinking that transits and progressions without a natal echo or support are significant when they are not... I think to look back on the influences once the event has occurred is a lot more telling. You rule your chart, the chart does not rule you.
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Good one, thank you EJ! It's so easy to slip into that kind of reasoning: this always HAPPENS TO ME, because I have this or that in my birth chart. How lame!
Dont worry. I did that when I first began..... and it is valid to a point but we need to watch becoming victims or feeling powerless.....What we do with our aspects is largely up to us and our level of evolvement. The hard ones are the most valuable as they promote growth and strength.
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[QUOTE=EJ53;147878]Never use astrology to avoid taking responsibility for your faults....../[QUOTE]


Okey I for one shouldn't even be here then
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never use astrology to avoid taking responsibility for your faults......if others find you agressive, it's due to you behaving aggressively rather than because you have a pluto/mars/uranus/asc conjunction.....use astrology to identify and change your inappropriate behaviour rather than to explain or justify it.

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Another one:

Never use your astrology blindly, but rather seek to use it in a creative way.
Astrology should not stop you from going through different life experiences, but rather be your guide to explore and understand what's going on. Such as refusing to go out with someone just because you saw some squares or oppositions in your synastry or like refusing to do something just because difficulties are foreseeable in the astrology chart. That is bad astrology! All astrology aspects can be used in a creative positive way (especially true for your soul).
Astrology is a complementary way to improve what you're already doing, not to replace what you're doing. Astrology is not spiritual by itself, but it can help you if you're already on the spiritual path.
You've got the whole notion of astrology!!
Another greast mistake is to memorize ready made interpretations from books and articles and use them as dictionary. Free will is so strong that we cannot guarantee how cosmic energies work through human individualities

thus we cannot read fully a chart without knowing one person at all
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If an astrologer tells you that your life is predestined according to your astrological chart, get a second opinion from another astrologer.

Some people might want to feel that their life is predestined and believe that they have virtually no power. Others want to become aware of the inner workings of their psyche in order to grow and transcend. Different astrologers for different people.
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If an astrologer tells you that your life is predestined according to your astrological chart, get a second opinion from another astrologer.

Some people might want to feel that their life is predestined and believe that they have virtually no power. Others want to become aware of the inner workings of their psyche in order to grow and transcend. Different astrologers for different people.
Yes some prefer to leave things to the stars and fate as they call it.
We do have free will and choice and of course have to make decisions and take responsibility for ourselves. Life may be predestined in some ways but dont we ultimately act as our character dictates and yes we do have to deal with our karma, both good and bad but an enlightened astrologer will tell you the positive effects of even a challenging chart aspect...
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You've got the whole notion of astrology!!
Another greast mistake is to memorize ready made interpretations from books and articles and use them as dictionary. Free will is so strong that we cannot guarantee how cosmic energies work through human individualities

thus we cannot read fully a chart without knowing one person at all
This is true and people expect you to read their chart without knowing a thing about them.. It is not clairvoyance....We do have free will but astrology can give guidance and trends and we do tend to act according to our natal charts which is an expression of our inherent nature and karma......
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When reading a comment, never take it personally, such as "you're only saying that Radu because I do it"
Excellent point! To add onto it, remember that the sign being talked about, which might be your Sun or Asc, 'signs' every chart. Also, often it is the sign that is being discussed not an individual with his 'element X' in it. We should remember that before we become hyper-sensitive and go onto the defensive ever time we read about a sign's naughtiness.

Also, to everything there are two sides: good and bad (Aquarius might be detached, but is also friendly and the least 'I'-ish). Don't be afraid of reading about the bad. If you are already uplifting the good in your case, why then feel being spoken to or about. The world talks about the eccentricity (just as of the genius) of Aquarius, and I read it with great interest (eccentric, isn't it). See also my current sign-ature line by Robert Naughton. He says it better than I do.

Remember also another very important thing: 'Stars impel, they do not compel.' Even in the most difficult of times, there is that free-will to fall back on, if you 'choose' to do so. Another thing, there are many ways that a configuration can manifest itself in, so, don't take things so literally. Saturn in the 5th house does not have to mean you will have no children. It can mean that you will be a tough parent, or that you are too serious to flirt around.

One more fact I just have to mention before waltzing off this thread is that talking about the Sun's sign does not automatically mean that nothing else exists in the chart or should not be taken into account. Absolutely needless to say that the chart as a whole needs to be considered, yet this does not mitigate the importance of the Sun (the core identity and the ego, the centre and of life; all such as the mind, the passions come later), or talking about the Sun sign. Don't we single out planets and houses and talk about them, so why not just freely be able to discuss a sign. It's (usually) not the individual being discussed, it's the sign present in everyone's chart (the rest is usually our own ego and interpretation of what's being said).

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Astrology doesn't help you directly and doesn't create opportunities for you. You'll have to create your own opportunities. Astrology merely points out: "Look stupid, this is an opportunity!". Astrology will not help you get a job, if there're are no jobs and you don't know to do anything, unless you are a professional astrologer or an astrology site webmaster, of course Astrology will not get you a good relationship, but will help you understand your relationships. Astrology will not help you win the lottery, but rather explain to you why you didn't (that one is really a bummer, I should probably change it...).
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Astrology doesn't help you directly and doesn't create opportunities for you. You'll have to create your own opportunities. Astrology merely points out: "Look stupid, this is an opportunity!". Astrology will not help you get a job, if there're are no jobs and you don't know to do anything, unless you are a professional astrologer or an astrology site webmaster, of course Astrology will not get you a good relationship, but will help you understand your relationships. Astrology will not help you win the lottery, but rather explain to you why you didn't (that one is really a bummer, I should probably change it...).
This is the one i consider the most important.
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Nice thread, so I had to wake it up.
What comes to mind:

Don't give the parents a reading of a newborn baby's chart.
Children have enough of a hard time anyway with their parents' expectations.
Actually, I'm very reluctant to do a reading for anyone but the person whose chart it is, but that's particularly important with children.
And I'd feel very uncomfortable making a chart reading for a child, to begin with.

Don't jump to conclusions about the concrete manifestations of astrological components and events.
A natal sun in the 12th house, a Mars transit, et cetera - they are forces at play that should be explained as such to the client, who is probably better suited to figure out how that might be expressed in his or her life.

Don't be insensitive to the client's possible reactions.
Especially when bringing up misfortune and threats, one needs to be very careful not to create a bigger problem than the one indicated by the astrological reading. The less I know somebody, the more careful I get with what I dare say, and how bluntly.

Don't forget your own blind spots.
Every astrologer has strong sides and weak sides when it comes to readings. I'm quite blind to certain things and very alert to others. If I forget that, each reading becomes prejudiced.

There's more, but the thread is already long...

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Astrology doesn't help you directly and doesn't create opportunities for you. You'll have to create your own opportunities. Astrology merely points out: "Look stupid, this is an opportunity!". Astrology will not help you get a job, if there're are no jobs and you don't know to do anything, unless you are a professional astrologer or an astrology site webmaster, of course Astrology will not get you a good relationship, but will help you understand your relationships. Astrology will not help you win the lottery, but rather explain to you why you didn't (that one is really a bummer, I should probably change it...).
I disagree with this one though. It helps. It prevented me on entering bad relationships and seeing other people for their flaws that would hurt me or make me enter into a bad relationship and to analyse them more. And it helped me to be sure of a relationship that was hard to get closer to the person but that it was good after i risked it. Helps to know how to get somewhere, how the person answers to some inputs and how to get what you want from almost anyone. Also helped me understand a little why I dont like what i was doing in past career wise.
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Thx, Radu....very excellent reminders of what astrology is and is not.
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Good thread title, I like it as well...

I can't figure out 10 such don'ts. Instead, I'm going to rely on your help to find them!

I start:

When talking to an astrologer friend, never try to convince him/her about anything by bringing up your natal chart details, such as "I say this because my rising sign is Sagittarius and that means that I like fair play". It never works, only generates a reply like "Yes, but me too, I have..." and then you feel sorry you brought that up.

Ok, your turn!
Well Sagittarius rising doesn't indicate fair play as such, that belongs to Libra.

The ruling planet and its aspects determine the persona or the personality that is presented especially at first.

Yes it is a common thing to quote your chart for the way you are when really the way you are is the chart, not the other way around.
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