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Cable car tragedy in Italy

(Note: this is slightly modified to correct the chart date, which changed the moon sign. Sorry for any confusion. )

Shortly before 1pm May 23rd a cable supporting an alpine cable car snapped, sending the car plunging down the mountain side.
The cable stretches from the town of Stresa on Lake Maggiore in northern Italy up to Mattarone at 1491 meters altitude, a 20 minute trip.
Here is a link to the home page where you can see a photo that shows why this is a very popular attraction, panoramic 360 views of the lake and the Alpes. https://www.stresa-mottarone.it
Just this week many Covid restrictions were eased in Italy, so many Italians took advantage to spend the Sunday in a long-awaited day trip from home.
The cable car was 400 meters short of arriving at the top when the cable snapped, and the car plunged down the mountain, through the forest, where it was blocked by the trees and shattered beyond recognition.
Of the 16 passengers, 14 died on impact, two small children survived in serious condition, one of whom later passed away at the hospital.
So astrologically, why did this happen?
I've attached a chart for 12:30, which is approximately the time of the accident, but we have to keep in mind the ascendent might not be accurate.
Moon in libra is almost exactly square mars, and in the 3rd house of transportation. Moon ruler Venus is conjunct Requiem.
Mars, traditional planet of accidents, approaches a trine to Neptune, co-ruler of the 8th of death, and an opposition to pluto, God of the Underworld.
The other co-ruler of the 8th, Jupiter, is near the descendent and is in separating square to the sun, ascendent ruler.
The Jupiter/Chiron midpoint is conjunct Neptune.
Mercury, ruler of transport, is square Neptune.
Asteroid Requiem (funeral mass for the dead) is conjunct Venus of the Midheaven, and tomorrow there will be public mourning in Italy for the victims.
The sun/mercury midpoint is on Requiem in the degree of Saturn, traditional planet of death,
Requiem is also at the midpoint of mars/uranus, sudden accidents.
Asteroid Osiris, Egyptian God of the Dead, is conjunct Chiron in the 8th.
Mercury/uranus midpoint is almost exactly conjunct the sun.
The Uranus/pluto midpoint is 3 degrees from Neptune.
The news reported that the cable car had only been re-opened a couple of days ago, and had not long ago had maintenance carried out.
So why so many Neptune aspects in this chart?
Was an error made during maintenance?
So many death connections for a chart with a fun-loving Leo ascendent.
Although granted, the ascendent could just flip into mercury-ruled virgo depending on a more accurate time.
Condolences to all the families involved.
And to the little boy in critical condition in the hospital in Turin, no relatives have yet shown up, he lost his family in the accident. Very sad.
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Re: Cable car tragedy in Italy

Hi ElenaJ,


The first thing I noticed in the chart, was that Chiron, is sextile North Node, and Square South Node from the 8th.



My first impression, is that of fire. Ascendant Leo, 8th Aries and south node Leo. Although it is not the strongest element. It seems significant here.


How very sad.



Squamish, BC has been having a problem with someone cutting the cable. This has occurred twice, No one has been found responsible for it.
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Wow, interesting, that Chiron is conjunct Osiris, as you stated. He took them quickly.
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Re: Cable car tragedy in Italy

Pluto in the house of recreation. Mars in the house of friends, people. In wide opposition. You have pointed out the aspect already, the houses should be noted as well.

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Technically Saturn has the most aspects to it in the sixth. Maybe it will be a maintenance issue.
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Re: Cable car tragedy in Italy

That is so tragic to hear. My heart goes out to the little boy that lost his family.

There is a tight quincunx between Sun/Moon in 3rd/10th. It is often reported that quincunxes can indicate sudden illnesses or accidents.

Especially here with the Moon, applying to the T-square with Saturn/Uranus, which is a strong indicator of sudden mechanical failures.

“These days, a transit of Saturn to Uranus or Uranus to Saturn often corresponds with a tech challenge.

But Saturn/Uranus is commonly contention, separation, accidents.”

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Pluto in the house of recreation. Mars in the house of friends, people. In wide opposition. You have pointed out the aspect already, the houses should be noted as well.
You're right.
I was hesitant to refer too much to the houses, but if we consider the ride up to the top of the mountain takes 20 minutes, the chart for the "trip" would very much have pluto in the 5th. Which is also children.
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Two of the victims were a young couple originally from Bari (Puglia) but who lived in a town near me for the past 10 years. They were on the cable car, celebrating her 40th birthday on May 23rd.
She was a doctor who played an essential role in the Covid pandemic, she would help vaccinate immobile persons by going directly to their homes.
The chart shows her natal chart with progressions in the outer circle, for noon because we don't have a TOB.
Referring to the event chart of yesterday, transiting Atropos, one of the classic death asteroids was at 3 Leo, which is exactly conjunct her natal NN and progressed Venus.
Her natal Saturn was in the same degree as her natal nodes.
Progressed mars was just separating from conjunction with natal Venus.
The transiting mars/pluto opposition is conjunct progressed moon, opposing natal moon.
Natal mars was inconjunct natal pluto. Natal Pluto was squared by progressed moon, natal moon and transiting pluto.
Notice her exact natal mercury/neptune opposition.
Neptune is sacrifice, dedication to those in need, and it symbolises Virus!
Transiting mercury was exactly conjunct her natal mercury, opposing her Neptune. Progressed mercury was near natal mercury.
Mercury of transport and trips.
Again, a Neptune link. Why?
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That is so tragic to hear. My heart goes out to the little boy that lost his family.

There is a tight quincunx between Sun/Moon in 3rd/10th. It is often reported that quincunxes can indicate sudden illnesses or accidents.

Especially here with the Moon, applying to the T-square with Saturn/Uranus, which is a strong indicator of sudden mechanical failures.

“These days, a transit of Saturn to Uranus or Uranus to Saturn often corresponds with a tech challenge.

But Saturn/Uranus is commonly contention, separation, accidents.”

http://midpointobservatory.blogspot....urnuranus.html
Apologies to all, the original posting I made was done after midnight, so I erroneously entered the incorrect date for the chart.
The new chart is now posted in my original text, with reference to the new moon position, which is basically what changed.
In fact, we now have a Venus-ruled libra moon square mars and pluto, much more indicative of the accident.
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Re: Cable car tragedy in Italy

Referencing Roberta's chart, the libra moon position of May 23rd places transiting moon of the accident almost exactly on her natal pluto, inconjunct natal mars.
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Re: Cable car tragedy in Italy

Some of the birth dates have been published for the victims, let's see if there is any common thread running through these, they all died at the same time together. Obviously, they are all noon charts, so houses and moon positions are relative.

Amit Brian was born in Israel.
He worked in the medical field at an Italian university. Both of his parents died, his son, and grandfather. His wife was also a victim, along with her grandparents who were visiting from Israel.
Natal mars was exactly conjunct transiting sun, and progressed mars was conjunct natal Atropos of death.
He has a natal saturn/NN conjunction and transiting Saturn was exactly conjunct natal sun.
Natal moon was more or less opposing transiting Neptune (Neptune link again!).
Progressed venus conjunct transiting Chiron/Osiris square his natal Neptune/uranus conjunction.
Interesting his Jupiter was conjunct the ascendent of the accident chart. Jupiter is co-ruler of the 8th of the event.
Progressed mercury (trips, transportation) is almost conjunct natal Osiris of death.
Transiting pluto of transformation and death squares his natal Chiron and squares the nodes.
This man lost everyone: his family, wife, son, in-laws, etc, so we expect to see very strong aspects.
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Serena Cosentino lived with her Iranian fiancé in Rome, and in March she was transferred to Northern Italy for work. He came to visit from Rome, and they went to spend the day on Lago Maggiore and together took the panoramic cable car ride.
Progressed sun and Atropos of death conjunct natal Venus, transiting NN.
Progressed mars opposing natal Jupiter (co-ruler of the event 8th house).
Natal Jupiter conjunct natal Requiem. Is this why she had several Jupiter aspects involved?
Here again, confusing Neptune raises its head with natal Neptune in the exact degrees of natal nodes and very close to transiting pluto.
She also had natal Atropos of death conjunct natal South node.
Event mars square natal mars.
Event moon opposing natal mars.
Let's not leave out natal mercury near conjunction with transiting Uranus.
It actually looks as though she might have been irritated or angry on Sunday.
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Vittorio Zorloni lived in the area of the cable car ride. He was on a day trip with his partner and her 9 year old son, who survived the accident but later died in the hospital in Turin.
Vittorio was 66 and she was 38, and they were to be married on June 24th.
His natal chart has a tight South node/Lachesis/Neptune conjunction.
And the stellium squared a natal pluto/uranus conjunction.
Again, the Neptune connection. With heavy outer planets.
This is perhaps the most conflicted chart of all the victims whose birth info was posted.
The moon, given it is a noon chart, could move 6 degrees either way, but it would still be within aspect of a square to the pluto/uranus conjunction.
This man was unlucky in love!
Natal Chiron conjunct saturn, both inconjunct exactly the Osiris/Altropos conjunction.
Mars in the natal is un-aspected, except for an opposition to Requiem!
Saturn trine Jupiter.
Progressed Jupiter almost conjunct natal mars. Would this indicate the intention to marry?
Progressed Jupiter is conjunct the event chart sun.
Shouldn't Jupiter contacts indicate a happy time?
Natal Jupiter squares the Atropos/Osiris conjunction.
Jupiter, co-ruler of the event 8th house.
Progressed mars 3 degrees from an exact conjunction to natal sun.
Progressed mercury of trips square natal mars.
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Last but not least of the victims for whom birth dates were published is Roberta's husband, Angelo Vito Gasparro. He was also born in Bari, like Roberta and they moved north for work. He was a security guard in the Milan area.
So, should we be surprised to see a possible natal moon square Neptune in his chart?
(Roberta had a natal mercury/neptune opposition.)
Natal south node is conjunct Osiris and progressed mars squares both.
He had a sun/jupiter conjunction that opposed natal Uranus. This probably explains his job.
Progressed sun/venus was conjunct transiting Requiem/venus.
Transiting mercury exactly conjunct natal mercury.
Transiting mars exactly conjunct natal mars.
Natal neptune inconjunct natal mars and natal SN/Osiris in a kite formation.
Progressed mars exactly trine natal Neptune, and square natal Osiris.
Natal saturn close to conjunction of the event ascendent.
Progressed venus conjunct natal mercury.
Surprising how often good aspects with Venus of love are showing up.
Requiem with progressed moon exactly opposite Chiron, both square Saturn.
This is interesting because they are both from the south, but his wife worked and was well known locally, while he worked away so was less known in the town. The double funeral will be held, but she will be the main "protagonist" while he remains more in the shadow of Saturn.
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Re: Cable car tragedy in Italy

More birth data has been released of the victims, so I'll post these charts too and see if we find patterns.

Shahaisavandi Mohammadreza was born in Iran but lived in Rome with his fiancée Serena Cosentino. I believe he is a student. He came to visit her for the weekend, she has been working up in the north recently, and they went for the day to nearby Lake Maggiore.
Right off, we see Atropos of death opposite Neptune, with mars closely conjunct.
Progressed mars is conjunct mercury, and progressed mercury is on Lachesis.
Natal sun is conjunct NN, and transiting Jupiter is on South Node, so opposing sun. Both square sun of the event chart.
Shouldn't a Jupiter transit bring good fortune?
Libra moon might be near the moon of the event chart, but we don't have his TOB so this could be off.
Natal mars opposes Uranus, and it lies over the event chart ascendent/desc axis, with natal mars on transiting Atropos.
His natal Jupiter is conjunct transiting Neptune, both square transiting mercury.
Again, Jupiter and Neptune playing important roles, with mars and Uranus.
Transiting pluto conjunct natal neptune.
Event moon opposes natal Osiris.
He has a mars/saturn square, with transiting Atropos on mars and squaring Saturn.

PS. Serena has a Chiron/moon natal opposition. His Sun/NN lies exactly on her Chiron, with her moon on his SN.
Unwittingly she was the cause of his suffering.
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Re: Cable car tragedy in Italy

A young couple, engaged to be married, both less than 30 years old.

Silvia Malnati's natal sun squared transiting mars, Progressed Atropos conjunct natal mercury, moon (unreliable as it is a noon chart) near natal Atropos.
NN conjunct natal pluto, and not to leave Neptune out of the equation, here it is exactly in the degree of the nodes, and wide opposition to sun.
Natal Jupiter is conjunct Requiem.
Natal Osiris conjunct transiting neptune.
Natal mars exactly conjunct transiting sun.
Progressed mars squared transiting Neptune.
Natal venus squares natal Pluto.
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Mario Alessandro, Silvia's fiancé.
Natal Requiem on sun, and Lachesis on NN square Venus.
Jupiter on moon.
Progressed mars exactly on natal Venus.
Progressed mars square Lachesis.
Progressed moon on natal Atropos.
Natal uranus/neptune semi-sextile saturn.
Natal sun squared by progressed Osiris.
His chart seems to be the least involved in the event.
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Re: Cable car tragedy in Italy

I also now have the data for the Israel family group.
Just as I was noticing that all the birth dates fell into Spring/summer, up pops an exception.
The elderly gentleman who was either grandfather or father.
He is a November birth. And exactly my birth date. Is this coincidence?
Is he the one who has been pushing me to do this work?
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Thank you posting ElenaJ, it's very, very sad accident.

I don't have time to read through the postings today so apologize if I'm repeating what you have posted.

Saturn turned Retrograde and we are in final week of pre-shadow Mercury RX.

There could very well be more tragic accidents like this.

End of Venus/Saturn Sq which can 'take away', put sadness in relation to Venus-themes of vacation, love.
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It's a lot to read, I know!
One thing to note, none of these victims had only one negative aspect. All had multiple stress contacts, both in the natal and in the progressions.

There are now also the DOB of the Israel family. The one boy still in hospital is their son, he will make it but he is still in critical condition. Apparently he was saved because his father had held him close to himself.
The grandparents came to visit the family in Italy when the ceasefire went into effect the other day, to relax after the recent conflicts in Israel. Evidently, you can't escape your destiny.

it's a bit time consuming, but also some random composites between these persons would be interesting.
Why them specifically? Random chance or a pre-agreed destiny?

News is beginning to come out about the causes.
Apparently they were almost at the top when the car began to slip backwards, and the automatic braking system (saturn) didn't go into action. The car picked up momentum and slammed into one of the bearer pillars, dislodging it from the cable, and sent it off spinning down the mountain, through the forest until it was stopped by some trees.
The whole system had been refurbished in 2016 with new motors and cars to moderate it.
It did pass safety inspections.
From this scenario can be identify the planets involved?
As you wrote, Saturn now turning retrograde, brakes not functioning.
Mars violence.
Uranus the breaking away.
But I'm puzzled by all the Neptune contacts. What could they relate to? Everyone has them.
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Hi ElenaJ,

I took a look at “The Astrology of Accidents” by C E O Carter.

For falls his data has signs found commonly in Cancer, Capricorn and Leo.

Rising signs are commonly Leo, Libra and Scorpio.

Very cardinal sign, apparently but not Aries.

But, falls don’t cover this instance totally. Machinery is involved. With that, Carter’s opinion is Leo, Virgo and Scorpio.
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Unfortunately we don't have rising signs.
Except for the event, which is Leo!

We have a random group of people who in theory we expect will randomly represent the zodiac. But in doing the charts I noticed no October births, no December or January. Then one November. That isn't a random selection. And they are all in similar degrees, again not what we might expect.
Here are the dates and zodiac degrees of the natal suns:

Feb 2 (13 Aquarius)
Feb 11 (22 Aquarius)
Mar 16 (25 Pisces)
Apr 13 (23 Aries)
Apr 24 (4 Taurus)
May 4 (13 Taurus
May 23 (2 Gemini) (this date is for one of the victims, and for the event)
Jul 7 (15 Cancer)
Aug 13. (20 Leo)
Aug 25 (1 Virgo)
Sep 8. (15 Virgo)

And the one exception, Nov 17 (25 Scorpio) which by sheer coincidence is the birth date of myself, the person who was pushed to do this study!!!)

This is a remarkable list, don't you think?

Three of the dates are in the first 4 degrees, therefore contacting the event sun.
Four of the dates are in the middle degrees (13/15) of their sign.
Five of the dates are in the twenties (20/22/23/25)

There are no sevens or eights or tens, no eighteens, etc.

The dates and degrees are all clustered.

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As soon as possible I'll do the remaining charts, which all belong to the Israel family.

I am also wondering if the moon signs follow the same clustering as the sun signs.

And what is the Neptune connection?
Of course, Neptune covers grease and oil. Was the machinery not oiled properly?
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Latest news. There have been 3 arrests.
Apparently for the past month or so there was an alarm signal going off on the braking system of the cable cars, and twice they had maintenance out to solve the problem.
They didn't resolve the problem however, and the manager of the ski lift made the decision not to close down the system, given the lockdown was finally eased and they could return to work.
They decided to disattivate the emergency brake system, by inserting what is called a "fork", which is a piece of iron that is manually inserted into the brake to prevent it from gripping the cable. Because it is used to prevent braking during maintenance, and to be sure that it isn't forgotten when they finish working, it is painted bright red.
Which is why investigators were able to quickly find the two forks that had been inserted, one still in the brake of the cabin.
During the night the manager confessed to doing this criminal act to prevent the system being closed down, now that the season was just beginning.
The forks had been inserted for several days before the accident.
A witness came forward saying that shortly before the accident she was on the other cabin (there are 2) and they were left hanging still in the air for some time, until they were brought safely down to the station.

So, we now have:
Neptune = deception.
Mars = iron and the color red.
Saturn = brakes
Uranus = sudden unleashing, freeing up (from the cable).

The 3 arrested will probably spend most of the rest of their lives, if not all, in prison. Which in effect is very little compared to having the lives of 14 innocent people on their consciences.

On the up side, the one survivor, the little boy in hospital has begun to regain consciousness, although he is still in critical condition. Relatives have flown up from Israel to be with him.

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Technically Saturn has the most aspects to it in the sixth. Maybe it will be a maintenance issue.
In a sort of way, you got it right here!
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