david starling
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Waybread, you're setting up a straw man example, because you're not making a distinction between CONFLATING Sign and House, and COMPATIBILITY of Sign and House. With the numbering pattern, Venus is ruler of the Sign, Taurus, but that DOESN'T automatically make Venus the ruler of the 2nd House. That would be the case ONLY if Venus were actually IN Taurus in H2.I don't think this is the issue. I consider "my" astrology to be modern western, but few years ago I decided to learn traditional and horary. Now I am a lot more eclectic, but hopefully the field as a whole will become more diverse. Today, in an interesting reversal, some trads tend to see modern psychological astrology as yesterday's school. (John Frawley, anyone?)
So far as my posts here go, sometimes its easier to dismiss a particular method if we do not know the historical reasons behind it. Learning the reasons, maybe we can see the logic in them.
To y'all:
As I've said a few times here, I think some planet-sign-matches work a lot better than others. Jupiter-Sagittarius-and the 9th are a much better match than Mars-Aries-and the 1st house, unless one happens to have Aries rising or Mars in the first. If someone has Pisces rising with Saturn in the first house, than that "first chord" conflation is really inappropriate. Medical astrology is a special exception.
Moreover, we lose a lot of the valid and alternative meanings of the houses and signs, because we would have to toss out whatever does not fit whatever it is that we think a given planet, sign, or house actually signifies.
Then we're in danger of morphing Pisces to fit the 12th house, or Venus to fit the 2nd house, or vice versa. Maybe you can read a nativity this way, but I think you'd run into difficulties with horary, which isn't about the querent's personality in most cases.
Once you make up your mind to conflate signs and houses, then you sort of have to trim out the 12th house rulerships of large livestock, hospitals, and prisons if these do not fit with your pictures of dreamy, sensitive Pisces.
I have Jupiter in Capricorn in the 4th house in Placidus (Sagittarius on the cusp) and so long as we confuse the 4th house with Mom due to a moon-Cancer-4th confusion, you'd never get my interests in genealogy (family history,) restoring old houses, or certain types of history. None of these are Mom-related, and in my case, my actual mother had zero interest in these topics. These topics do come up in the more comprehensive listing of 4th house affiliations that do not muddle it up with Cancer.
My feeling about whether the MC or IC represents Mom or Dad, is to reflect back on your experiences of these people. See which is the best fit for you. But if you had a stay-at-home Dad while Mom joined the Air Force, we can throw the gender stereotyping of Cancer out the window.
Deborah Houlding, in her book Houses: Temples of the Sky takes the second house as an example. If you translate the second house as Taurus, then presumably you get Venus as the ruler of second house matters like money. But Venus doesn't rule money. Mercury is the planetary ruler of currency and trade. Venus does rule luxuries like jewelry, which are financial assets to some people, but here you'd want to look at the actual situation of Venus. If the native has Venus in Leo in the first house, she's more likely to love wearing expensive gold jewelry than if she's got Saturn in Taurus in the 9th or Venus in Aquarius in the 7th house square Mars.
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