Should I consider this as a conjunction?

heretolearn said:

Sun is exalted in Aries, but I am not following your reasoning for why you consider it to have "amazing essential dignity." The specific degree of exaltation for the Sun in the sign of Aries is 19 degrees. http://www.skyscript.co.uk/essential_dignities.html
Your Sun is at 11d37' which is quite a ways off, so while many would consider your Sun to still be exalted, its effect is not the same as if it were in 19d.

Your Sun also appears to be 11 degrees from MC.

I'm sorry, I don't follow your reasoning.

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Julian said:

In my natal chart, I have a Sun conjunct Jupiter

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It is helpful to picture the skies at the time of your birth
the planet JUPITER and the SUN were so close
that JUPITER would have been invisible
and in a situation known as 'combust'

i.e.

A planet is combust when it is in conjunction with the Sun
and therefore hidden from sight by the light of the Sun.
Traditionally this is a serious debility
and implies that the planet is weakened or restricted in power.
However, if the planet is within 17 minutes of the Sun,
it is termed Cazimi - in the heart of the Sun -
and considered strengthened by the union.

Julian said:

both in a partile trine with Pluto. They're both in Hayz,
and my Sun has an amazing essential dignity.
They're both in Aries in the 9th house. I think this is a really good aspect
and it makes my Sun incredibly powerful and it is 10 degrees away from the MC.

Should I consider it as a mild conjunct?
I mean, normally I wouldn't consider it as a conjunction but it is very powerful in my natal chart.
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Julian said:

My reasoning is that my Sun is in the second decanate of Aries,
therefore it has a better dignity than in the other 2 decanates.
I've read before that as a planet is stronger, it allows larger orbs to be used in its aspects.


It has a good dignity for the following reasons:

-9th house is good for the Sun
-Masculine house, sign and planet, therefore it's considered more powerful.
-Partile conjunct with Jupiter. In accidental dignities, this is as powerful as being in rulership
-Trine with Pluto
-Second decanate
-Triplicity ruler is the planet itself.


AND I've been told before that Jupiter and Sun by themselves NEAR the MC have a good influence over it.

Do parallels work like that?

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Parallels are considered similar to conjunctions

Regarding your Aries Sun being conjunct Jupiter

Although your Aries Sun is essentially dignified
In contrast,
Jupiter at 11 degrees Aries is in fact Peregrine
due to having no essential dignity at all

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A Planet is then said to be Peregrine,
when he is in the degrees of any Sign wherein he hath no essential dignity,
As Saturn in the tenth degree of Aries,
that Sign being not his House, Exaltation, or of his Triplicity,
or he having in that degree neither Term or Face,
he is then said to be Peregrine;
had he been in 27, 28, &c. of Aries, he could not be termed Peregrine,
because then he is in his own Term. William Lilly, Christian Astrology, p.112

'....Just as essential dignity signifies strength and a capacity for beneficial action,
lack of it implies weakness or a harmful disposition.
A planet with no essential dignity is called Peregrine,
a Latin word meaning 'alien' or 'foreigner'
pereger = beyond the borders,
ager = land, i.e., 'beyond one's own land'.
In old English, to 'peregrinate' means to wander far from home....'

'....In symbolic terms, a peregrine planet describes a drifter
- someone with no title or stake in his or her environment.
It's helpful to think in terms of property
because
Property owners tend to view drifters with suspicion, and distrust their lack of stability.
Peregrine planets share this dubious reputation

Under normal circumstances a peregrine planet lacks the necessary strength to convey lasting benefit.
Its position of weakness can be alleviated, however, if it is strongly dignified accidentally
or if it forms a mutual reception with a stronger planet....'

Julian said:

Yes, but I wasn't talking about how strong my Jupiter is.

Anyhow, Jupiter is in its own triplicity,
therefore it gains essential dignity.

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but

Jupiter is in the Sun's Triplicity because this is a Day Chart

therefore Jupiter has no essential dignity and remains peregrine
as previously mentioned

Julian said:

....Also, some people consider that Cazimi is just even worse for the planet.
And I don't consider my Jupiter weakened to be bad,
since it is tightly conjunct with my Sun.
The energies of both of them are combined, so you can't really separate the Sun and Jupiter as different ideas.
They're the same in my natal chart.

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Jupiter is 'combust'
because Jupiter is so close to the Sun


Sun and Jupiter are separate
Sun has essential dignity and strength
Jupiter has no essential dignity and lacks a capacity for beneficial action

Julian said:

But the question was, do I consider the conjunction with my MC? I think it has had some impact on me.
I've always wanted to be in a powerful position,
and I've always looked up to people that had really good grades in school or people that are brilliant.
Even more than my own mother (I have my moon in the IC, so you'd normally think that I would look up to her instead of my father)
It's like this enormous desire to be Leo-like and to be a father figure myself.

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Certainly, Sun in 10th House is one of the indicators of fame
and
your sun is in the 10th WHOLE SIGN house

The house and sign location of any nata planet
is entirely dependent on the preferred house system
Easily checked by creating a natal chart on astro.com using their EXTENDED CHART SELECTION PAGE
on which there is a choice from fourteen different house systems
WHOLE SIGN houses places SUN in 10th in this particular case


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'...In no other area of astrology is there so much mess and confusion than in the area of the so-called "houses".
There are at least twenty or thirty different house systems
or means of dividing the so-called "birthchart" into twelve segments of life activity.
In astrology, houses, mansions, or domains, represent general areas of life activity
and are the grounding areas or arenas of expression for planets.
Originally, the words "houses" and "signs" were interchangeable or meant the same thing.
A planet in Aries was also a planet in the house of Aries,
so that in effect. there were no real houses as we know them today....'


'….Artificial divisions now known as houses were attempts by early Greeks and Hindus to measure strength "points" in the horoscope,
which during 7th and 8th centuries AD were construed
or confused
as means of dividing the birth chart.
The ascendant and midheaven degrees and their opposites, for example, were definite power points or areas of intense focus,
but not necessarily the beginnings of a house or quadrant.....'

JUPITERASC said:

Certainly, Sun in 10th House is one of the indicators of fame
and
your sun is in the 10th WHOLE SIGN house

The house and sign location of any nata planet
is entirely dependent on the preferred house system
Easily checked by creating a natal chart on astro.com using their EXTENDED CHART SELECTION PAGE
on which there is a choice from fourteen different house systems
WHOLE SIGN houses places SUN in 10th in this particular case


QUOTE

'...In no other area of astrology is there so much mess and confusion than in the area of the so-called "houses".
There are at least twenty or thirty different house systems
or means of dividing the so-called "birthchart" into twelve segments of life activity.
In astrology, houses, mansions, or domains, represent general areas of life activity
and are the grounding areas or arenas of expression for planets.
Originally, the words "houses" and "signs" were interchangeable or meant the same thing.
A planet in Aries was also a planet in the house of Aries,
so that in effect. there were no real houses as we know them today....'


'….Artificial divisions now known as houses were attempts by early Greeks and Hindus to measure strength "points" in the horoscope,
which during 7th and 8th centuries AD were construed
or confused
as means of dividing the birth chart.
The ascendant and midheaven degrees and their opposites, for example, were definite power points or areas of intense focus,
but not necessarily the beginnings of a house or quadrant.....'

EXPLANATORY ASTROLOGICAL HOUSES ARTICLE http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/wholesignhouses.html

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Julian said:

Yes, but that house system is really not in use.
I haven't seen anybody use that house system instead of the Placidus system.

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Many of our members do use Whole Sign Houses

Placidus is mostly used simply because it is the default system on astro.com
as well as other sites that create free natal charts
many newcomers to astrology are simply unaware that there are alternative house systems

Also Vedic astrology always uses Whole Sign

Julian said:

In my natal chart, I have a Sun conjunct Jupiter both in a partile trine with Pluto. They're both in Hayz, and my Sun has an amazing essential dignity. They're both in Aries in the 9th house. I think this is a really good aspect and it makes my Sun incredibly powerful and it is 10 degrees away from the MC. Should I consider it as a mild conjunct? I mean, normally I wouldn't consider it as a conjunction but it is very powerful in my natal chart. Here is it:

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Arena said:

Hello
Some schools actually consider all conjunctions to the sun to be super good

I see you as a true lucky guy with an enourmous zest for travelling the world, living abroad and studying higher education. Success in your profession, career is bound to be good... but you might be a bit confused about what you want to make your career. Sun-jupiter conjunction in 10th house whole signs. In my (sidereal ) view your jupiter is conjunct sun in pisces, so has good dignity. Your Moon is in Virgo. Your Mercury is the ruler of your home and is in 9th house, i think you will move or relocate to faraway place.

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Arena said:

Hello
Some schools actually consider all conjunctions to the sun to be super good

I see you as a true lucky guy with an enourmous zest for travelling the world, living abroad and studying higher education. Success in your profession, career is bound to be good... but you might be a bit confused about what you want to make your career. Sun-jupiter conjunction in 10th house whole signs.

In my (sidereal ) view your jupiter is conjunct sun in pisces, so has good dignity.
Your Moon is in Virgo.
Your Mercury is the ruler of your home and is in 9th house,
i think you will move or relocate to faraway place.

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That's interesting Arena because you are correct regarding relocation to faraway places

Julian said:

Thanks. In fact, it's quite rare for me to know this much English for my age.
It's because I started learning English when I was 5, but not by any classes or anything, instead by listening at the TV in Belgrade, Serbia.
I moved from my natal country when I was like 4, and then moved again when I was 5,
and then multiple times to Paris and to Italy.
Right now I'm back at home. I've spent more time outside the country than I've spent here......

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Arena said:

Well thanks forpointing that out JA.
I think I may have stumbled upon the right track for me in astrology. Maybe you should look into WSH and sidereal

Julian, Pisces is not at all a weak sign if its ruler is well placed, which it is in your chart.

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but to be fair
Julian joined our forum only three or four months ago
and is aged fifteen
so has much to learn