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Will we get together again?

This is about an ex of mine. Weíve been talking a tiny bit by text but only politely and keeping each other at armís length. He has recently returned home for work but (says) heís coming back in a few weeks.

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Iím Mars, heís Venus. Iím in Aries, 0į, dignified by sign and face but in H12 and in Venusís detriment. Venus has just stationed direct in H2 ó slow and void. Although heís in Gemini, H2 cusp is Taurus, so heís not quite peregrine.. right?

IĎm faster and apply to sextile him, so Iím probably more into the idea of getting together, but being in my H12 it would not be good for me. Anyway heíll speed up and the aspect will not perfect.

The moon separates from a square with combust rx Mercury, (my L3/L6, his L9/L12).. I donít know what that means.. Anyway apart from applying to a square with the Part of Fortune, Moon is void.

Iím interested as to why he would be in his H8, and Moon in his H12

With the applying aspect I think this could mean we might have a casual encounter or two ó but then with no perfection, me only receiving him in his detriment and VoC Moon, maybe it either wonít happen or feelings will change. What do you think?


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Re: Will we get together again?

You two are mars and Venus, as you wrote, and as you noted they never complete an aspect, and have nothing to do with each other.
This in itself is an answer.
Moon is not void, it approaches a square with retrograde Jupiter.
Jupiter is strangely involved in this chart.
Mars is in the triplicity, terms and natural house of Jupiter.
Venus, although in Jupiter's detriment, is in Jupiter's Face.
Moon is in Jupiter's Terms, and approaches the square with Jupiter.
So who is this busy Jupiter who has it's finger in everyone's eye?
Jupiter is the most elevated planet in the chart. It is in the exaltation and terms of mars.
Which somewhat softens the upcoming square between Jupiter and mars.
Jupiter is not strong because it is both retrograde and in its fall.
It rules both the 9th and the 12th houses.
The 9th is your thoughts in the sense of philosophy, religion.. It is also foreign places, far from your home, although we don't know if you are near your home or away from it.
It is also his 3rd of communications. With Venus in Jupiter's terms, we have a link, however weak, with him communicating.
Jupiter is also ruler of the 12th, which represents what is going on behind your back, and what is going on in your subconscious, and also represents hidden bed pleasures. You don't mention it, can we assume you are both free to have a relationship, and this isn't an illicit affair?
So we have you, mars, in the 12th subconsciously mulling over what is going on with him, and you are headed towards a square with Jupiter of his communications. After which follow a square with pluto (your 8th of sex) and Saturn (your hopes and wishes and social standing).
Moon last contacted retrograde mercury (planet of communications) and ruler of your 3rd of communications. This represents the "arm's length polite" texting you have been doing.
Moon had first squared sun in the 3rd, flashy and show off egotistical sun in cancer who doesn't like to let go of the past. So nostalgic moon, in the sign of partnership, libra.
Moon however is now finished with both sun and Mercury, who now will be combust, and communications will dry up from the sun's heat.
Moon aspected these two planets by square, from his 12th of hidden matters.
He was coming out towards you in an awkward way, but keeping to himself at the same time, hiding his motivation.
So what is Venus up to? You didn't include Neptune in the chart, but had you done so, you would have noticed that deceptive, illusory Neptune is sitting on the cusp of the 12th, and Venus' next aspect is a square with Neptune!
The most it would seem he is offering is a bit of fun in bed for old time's sake.
Up to you if this is enough for you, just so you don't think it might lead somewhere, because it won't.
And by proceeding along this path, you would find your reputation threatened and your hopes dashed.
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Re: Will we get together again?

Hello Lux111,
The fact that your Venus and Mars do not perfect an aspect together is enough to answer No to your question also MarsL1 being in the detriment of Venus (you are not ready to compromise as you sit in your own sign) and yes Venus is peregrine and slow.
Moon ruling his 10th in his 12th last square Mercury Lord of his 9th in his 9th shows him to be abroad for work and not at home.
ElenaJ pointed out that JupiterR in Fall in the 10th is weak.
Not so, at least the way I see it. Weak by celestial influence (Fall and R) but strong by terrestrial influence (Angular 10th). Which is to say, it has more power to do damage.
- Venus is in the Face and detriment of Jupiter - Jupiter in the Triplicity of Venus
- Mars(own sign) in the Bound of Jupiter and Jupiter in the exaltation of Mars. (more favorable for you)

The Moon from the Via Combusta will apply to a square to Fortuna and then a square to Jupiter in his 4th ( L3 and 6).
He may have to scramble with legal papers and health issues abroad.

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Wow ElenaJ you are a detective, I love it. I have a couple of questions.
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Moon is not void, it approaches a square with retrograde Jupiter.
Jupiter is strangely involved in this chart.
Mars is in the triplicity, terms and natural house of Jupiter.
Venus, although in Jupiter's detriment, is in Jupiter's Face.
Moon is in Jupiter's Terms, and approaches the square with Jupiter.
So who is this busy Jupiter who has it's finger in everyone's eye?
Jupiter is the most elevated planet in the chart. It is in the exaltation and terms of mars.
Which somewhat softens the upcoming square between Jupiter and mars.
Jupiter is not strong because it is both retrograde and in its fall.
It rules both the 9th and the 12th houses.
The 9th is your thoughts in the sense of philosophy, religion.. It is also foreign places, far from your home, although we don't know if you are near your home or away from it.
It is also his 3rd of communications. With Venus in Jupiter's terms, we have a link, however weak, with him communicating.
Jupiter is also ruler of the 12th, which represents what is going on behind your back, and what is going on in your subconscious, and also represents hidden bed pleasures. You don't mention it, can we assume you are both free to have a relationship, and this isn't an illicit affair?
So we have you, mars, in the 12th subconsciously mulling over what is going on with him, and you are headed towards a square with Jupiter of his communications. After which follow a square with pluto (your 8th of sex) and Saturn (your hopes and wishes and social standing).
Moon last contacted retrograde mercury (planet of communications) and ruler of your 3rd of communications. This represents the "arm's length polite" texting you have been doing.
Moon had first squared sun in the 3rd, flashy and show off egotistical sun in cancer who doesn't like to let go of the past. So nostalgic moon, in the sign of partnership, libra.
Moon however is now finished with both sun and Mercury, who now will be combust, and communications will dry up from the sun's heat.
Moon aspected these two planets by square, from his 12th of hidden matters.
He was coming out towards you in an awkward way, but keeping to himself at the same time, hiding his motivation.
So what is Venus up to? You didn't include Neptune in the chart, but had you done so, you would have noticed that deceptive, illusory Neptune is sitting on the cusp of the 12th, and Venus' next aspect is a square with Neptune!
The most it would seem he is offering is a bit of fun in bed for old time's sake.
Up to you if this is enough for you, just so you don't think it might lead somewhere, because it won't.
And by proceeding along this path, you would find your reputation threatened and your hopes dashed.
Re. the Moonís application to the square with Jupiter ó I was thinking we read the aspects until it changes house, is it until it changes sign?

I am living in a country thatís not my own, so yes Iím far from Ďhomeí, and this isnít his country either. And yes weíre both single, but thereís a strange thing.. Iíll try explain, but this might sound weird. I donít know what Jupiter is, but weíre both hiding from it. Maybe he knows, but he doesnít admit it. When we were together we were both followed, hacked, stalked.. it drove us apart. I knew it was related to him because it started the day I met him, but I donít know if it was organised crime elements, government agencies or something weirder. We broke up and it stopped when we stopped talking, but when we started messaging just a tiny bit again it all started up again, so much so that now we exclusively use a private encrypted app to message each other because we suspect our phones are tapped or messages intercepted. Whenever he goes through the airport he is pulled aside and questioned about his connections, what he has to do with me, his movements.. even when heís leaving. They go through his phone.. like.. why? Someone or something has even been in my house at least three times.. my passport and birth certificate taken, computer destroyed and a couple of other things like that. Iím not doing anything illegal but I know a few things about extraterrestrial issues, letís say. I really canít join the dots though. If you have a best guess I would be super interested

As for us getting together, a relationship would be out of the question but I would spend the night with him I donít know what other motivations he might have other than that, but he hasnít even been flirting with me so Iím kinda in the dark

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Hello Lux111,
The fact that your Venus and Mars do not perfect an aspect together is enough to answer No to your question also MarsL1 being in the detriment of Venus (you are not ready to compromise as you sit in your own sign) and yes Venus is peregrine and slow.
Moon ruling his 10th in his 12th last square Mercury Lord of his 9th in his 9th shows him to be abroad for work and not at home.
ElenaJ pointed out that JupiterR in Fall in the 10th is weak.
Not so, at least the way I see it. Weak by celestial influence (Fall and R) but strong by terrestrial influence (Angular 10th). Which is to say, it has more power to do damage.
- Venus is in the Face and detriment of Jupiter - Jupiter in the Triplicity of Venus
- Mars(own sign) in the Bound of Jupiter and Jupiter in the exaltation of Mars. (more favorable for you)

The Moon from the Via Combusta will apply to a square to Fortuna and then a square to Jupiter in his 4th ( L3 and 6).
He may have to scramble with legal papers and health issues abroad.

Please keep us updated,
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Thank you Ouranos. Yes this is accurate that I wouldnít compromise as I may have in the past, so maybe we wonít even meet again in the near future. Whatever Jupiter is, I donít know, but if you read what I replied to ElanaJ above, would you hazard a guess?

Iíve also had repeated psychic impressions that he will face health issues and legal problems while at home which could even inhibit his return, which I hadn't really taken seriously so thatís interesting you see it in the chart. Iíll update for sure if I can add any new info!

Anyway, maybe an inhibiting factor is Jupiter, or maybe he just never really cared for me and only wanted a visa.. I feel like Iím missing a piece of the puzzle though

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Re: Will we get together again?

Here is the chart with outer planets and some stars
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Re: Will we get together again?

Thank you Lux111 for sharing what you are living right now,

As I was reading in Book XXI of Jean-Baptiste Morin de Villefranche, here is what he says on the state of your Rulers.

You - Mars
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44. A planet malefic by nature(MarsL1), in favorable zodiacal state,(own sign) but in an unfortunate house (12th), does not suppress the disadvantages signified there, that is, it does not prevent them from happening (due to its natural malignity), but it will permit the native to escape, or will mitigate the intensity (due to its favorable zodiacal state).
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43. A planet which is benefic by nature(VenusL1), in mediocre zodiacal state,(R and peregrine) in VIII or XII, neither causes nor suppresses the unhappy events connected with these houses, but only tempers their quality and moderates their extent.
And the Moon is heading to JupiterR, Fall in MC
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37. A planet which is a benefic by nature (Jupiter), but in mediocre zodiacal state (Fall and R), and in a fortunate house (MC), will anticipate the realization of the affairs signified by the house with more certainty than if it were badly disposed, but will make this realization equally mediocre from the point of view of quality and quantity, as also from the point of view of the affair's duration.
As Jupiter rules your 9th and 12th, best advice here is to stay away from this relationship. You are not in a James Bond movie!

Stay safe and good luck,
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Thank you Lux111 for sharing what you are living right now,

As I was reading in Book XXI of Jean-Baptiste Morin de Villefranche, here is what he says on the state of your Rulers.

You - Mars


Him - Venus


And the Moon is heading to JupiterR, Fall in MC


As Jupiter rules your 9th and 12th, best advice here is to stay away from this relationship. You are not in a James Bond movie!

Stay safe and good luck,
Ouranos
Oh, little bit specific isnít it. Thank you for sharing this... Iím inclined to read into it more than just yes or no to my question.. it seems to allude to the nature of Jupiter as context, and my exís connection to some kind of sinister entity... and that perhaps Iím protected from it by distance from him. Or am I just being dramatic? So weird
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Well, that's a story and a half Lux. In relation to the narrative, you've given regarding you and this guy ive looked at an Arabic lot for hidden enemies, this lot falls at Gemini 13į which is trine Algol in the 7th which moon is in applying trine with too. So someone is angry about something, with Algol being in Libra/7th my first thoughts are a jealous and possessive ex?

The ruler of the lot mercury is conjunct Alzi, what is Alzi is this an asteroid?

You mars are conjunct Kerb "Danger of being jilted by a lover".

I think the situation your in seems more trouble than its worth, don't you think?
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Well, that's a story and a half Lux. In relation to the narrative, you've given regarding you and this guy ive looked at an Arabic lot for hidden enemies, this lot falls at Gemini 13į which is trine Algol in the 7th which moon is in applying trine with too. So someone is angry about something, with Algol being in Libra/7th my first thoughts are a jealous and possessive ex?

The ruler of the lot mercury is conjunct Alzi, what is Alzi is this an asteroid?

You mars are conjunct Kerb "Danger of being jilted by a lover".

I think the situation your in seems more trouble than its worth, don't you think?
Hey, are you meaning Algorab in my 6th at 13į Libra? Algol would be 26į Taurus in my 2nd.

Algorab ó not that dissimilar to Algol ó is ď Scavenging, destructiveness, repulsiveness, malevolence, fiendishness and lying, suicide, greed, injuries.Ē

Alzirr is another fixed star at 13į Cancer: ď Hunting, besieging towns, the revenge of princes, trouble, disgrace, sickness, loss of fortune, affliction, danger to knees.Ē

What does the lot of Mercury represent? Iíll look it up..

I guess he might be jealous and possessive, he certainly was when we were together but he doesnít act like it now, except for telling me that he doesnít want to get hurt. I suspect he would probably still spy on me

It does seem like trouble looking at this chart, lol.. I wouldnít want to get too emotionally involved but to be blunt, the sex was good so.. Ya know

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Hey, are you meaning Algorab in my 6th at 13į Libra? Algol would be 26į Taurus in my 2nd.
Yes my mistake i was thinking that was algol.
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Algorab — not that dissimilar to Algol — is “ Scavenging, destructiveness, repulsiveness, malevolence, fiendishness and lying, suicide, greed, injuries.”

Alzirr is another fixed star at 13į Cancer: “ Hunting, besieging towns, the revenge of princes, trouble, disgrace, sickness, loss of fortune, affliction, danger to knees.”

What does the lot of Mercury represent? I’ll look it up..
No its an arabic lot ive looked at for hidden enemies, as the lot falls in gemini the ruler of the lot is mercury, hence why i asked about the "Alzi" it was conjunct.
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I guess he might be jealous and possessive, he certainly was when we were together but he doesn’t act like it now, except for telling me that he doesn’t want to get hurt. I suspect he would probably still spy on me
I wasn't on about him. I was thinking an ex of his could be trying to come between you both. As the moon trines the lot of hidden enemies and moons in his house. Moon disposes of the lot ruler mercury.Its all interlinked and being in Libra would be about relationships, and if hes not with anyone then its his past.
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It does seem like trouble looking at this chart, lol.. I wouldn’t want to get too emotionally involved but to be blunt, the sex was good so.. Ya know
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Yes my mistake i was thinking that was algol.No its an arabic lot ive looked at for hidden enemies, as the lot falls in gemini the ruler of the lot is mercury, hence why i asked about the "Alzi" it was conjunct.I wasn't on about him. I was thinking an ex of his could be trying to come between you both. As the moon trines the lot of hidden enemies and moons in his house. Moon disposes of the lot ruler mercury.Its all interlinked and being in Libra would be about relationships, and if hes not with anyone then its his past.
I used to think that whomever was orchestrating this weird stuff was him or his ex but this is way too complex of a force to be just an ex girlfriend. And both exes live on the other side of the world, and one has a baby now and one hasnít spoken to him for over a year
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I used to think that whomever was orchestrating this weird stuff was him or his ex but this is way too complex of a force to be just an ex girlfriend. And both exes live on the other side of the world, and one has a baby now and one hasnít spoken to him for over a year
Hmm! But why would he want to do all this?

But then again him venus by contra antiscia (which is venus's shadow point but more on the negative side) is exactly conjunct Pluto. It would fall at 24į26 Capricorn.
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Hmm! But why would he want to do all this?

But then again him venus by contra antiscia (which is venus's shadow point but more on the negative side) is exactly conjunct Pluto. It would fall at 24į26 Capricorn.
Which is even closer to conjunction with Jupiter, which is this mysterious factor in the chart. I donít know why he would want to do these things. To play puppet master? To gaslight me and drive me crazy? But that is batshit insane..
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Which is even closer to conjunction with Jupiter, which is this mysterious factor in the chart. I donít know why he would want to do these things. To play puppet master? To gaslight me and drive me crazy? But that is batshit insane..
I think this calls for a different chart altogether.
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I think this calls for a different chart altogether.
Yeah. Ok Iíll do it now
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Careful, if you do a chart be sure it is spontaneous.
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Oh, little bit specific isnít it. Thank you for sharing this... Iím inclined to read into it more than just yes or no to my question.. it seems to allude to the nature of Jupiter as context, and my exís connection to some kind of sinister entity... and that perhaps Iím protected from it by distance from him. Or am I just being dramatic? So weird
Hello Lux,
Is it just me or are you looking at the situation with sunglasses?
You live in a foreign country and you have an affair with another foreigner, you are both hiding your relationship and communicating with private encrypted messages. You were both followed, hacked, stalked. 3 times you have been robbed and stolen... and you can't join the dots together?
You are fully in the 12th House with not even a light bulb around.

Sorry Lux111 but you need something else than astrology here.

I apologize if it sounds a bit harsh but I wish you a better future than a one-night stand!

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Hello Lux,
Is it just me or are you looking at the situation with sunglasses?
You live in a foreign country and you have an affair with another foreigner, you are both hiding your relationship and communicating with private encrypted messages. You were both followed, hacked, stalked. 3 times you have been robbed and stolen... and you can't join the dots together?
You are fully in the 12th House with not even a light bulb around.

Sorry Lux111 but you need something else than astrology here.

I apologize if it sounds a bit harsh but I wish you a better future than a one-night stand!

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No I canít join the dots, why does everyone speak in riddles around here? Do you know the answer?
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Iíve been to the police, they didnít do anything. My ex was overseas when a couple of the incidents happened. Iím not averse to a fling with someone I shared a couple of years with ó Iím not proposing it as my Ďfutureí!
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1. You two aren't coming together as explained by other responders. Moon being void is another negative.

2. No mystery about Jupiter. It rules 9th legal issues and 12th self-undoing. It is angular in the tenth, just 4 degrees away from the MC, shouting at you to pay attention. Jupiter is in fall and retrograde, seriously afflicted.

3. Heavy 12th emphasis warns you against him: the Mars is in 12th. The condition of Lord 12 Jupiter, as said. The Mars being partile with a retrograde Saturn the greater malefic, threatening the destruction of any good. Bonatti makes it very clear that Mars and Saturn being joined to each other promises destruction of good things, especially when either of them is afflicted e.g. being retrograde.

4. You ask about why he is in his 8th. 8th is anguish of mind, fears, anxiety, loss, death. 8th, 12th and 6th are the most unfortunate houses among all.

5. A combust planet in a chart where the Querent is female, usually means two things: he seriously has things to hide (the combust Mercury is his Lord 9 being in his House 9 - another double emphasis of possible legal issues) and you will never get to know what they are; or he is seeing another person.

It is up to you to decide what to do with it. A horary chart needs not to be fine-combed down to the last hair. It always highlights the most important issues and that's where you look. I know you didn't ask about future, but a chart always describes a situation instead of just answering a short question.

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If a fling, sometimes it doesn't require two planets to come together with an aspect. You two are still in orb, so you can still try. But there is no guarantee from this chart you can do it.
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Ameliaastrology put it all very well, so I have nothing useful to add.
I'm intrigued by the asteroids you entered in the chart, I can't even find info on many of them. Does anyone have a link for these?
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Here you go ElenaJ,
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Thanks Ouranos, but on the link they don't have the names on the chart posted in this thread.
Scheat (this I read is failure and difficulties, especially at sea)
Alzir
Algrab (not sure if this is Algenib)
Alpheraz (is this Alpharetz, or Andromed?)
Prima Hyatum (this is not very legible in the chart, the spelling may be wrong).

Any info on these?

I did find Betelgeiuse, Mankar, Kerb.
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