Black Lives Matter, Marxist?

waybread

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Dirius, you are making some common errors.

On "socialism" in the name of Hitler's Naitonal Socialist Party, read:
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/27/18283879/nazism-socialism-hitler-gop-brooks-gohmert

"Socialism" was a common word in German political parties in his day. Hitler himself opposed trade unions and communism. He wrote:

Fascism offers us a model that we can absolutely replicate! As it is in the case of Fascism, the entrepreneurs and the workers of our National Socialist state sit side by side, equal in rights, the state strongly intervenes in the case of conflict to impose its decision and end economic disputes that put the life of the nation in danger.”

What Hitler offered was a cult of personality that positioned himself as the invincible Leader, a way out of the Depression and rampant inflation, and a belief in German superiority as an antidote to defeat in WW I and the humilation of the Treaty of Versailles.

It's hard to explain Germany's war against Stalin's Russia if Germany were somehow a political comrade.

Right-wing dictators do attract their followers, do they not? Never mind the body count. Cf. Franco in Spain. As well as left-wing dictators (Cf. Ho Chi Minh.) It becomes part of a national mythology. Really, it's just an ancient longing for a Strong Man form of governance.

Unfortunately, as Lord Acton noted, "Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
 

waybread

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Re: Aunt on Facebook

More mob violence from the BLM Marxists in solidarity with their violent comrades in Portland and NY and other cities.

Seattle police arrested at least 45 people after declaring Saturday's protest a riot due to extensive damage inflicted on businesses and the East Precinct.

Thousands of people gathered Saturday afternoon to march through Capitol Hill and protest police brutality and stand in solidarity with protests that have been happening nightly in Portland.

Rioters entered a construction site at the center and set fire to portable trailers and other equipment, and broke windows on personal vehicles in the area and court facilities.

The group continued to march toward the Seattle Police Department's East Precinct, damaging businesses along the way, including breaking nearly all the windows at the Starbucks on 12th Avenue and E Columbia Street.

Seattle police said several people emerged from the group and started spray-painting and trying to disable the security cameras at the East Precinct at 12th Avenue and East Pine Street.

That's just one city in one night. So I'm waiting on you and Way Bread to finally admit that BLM is a Marxist organization and that the protests are not 'largely peaceful' as you both keep claiming. Will you both admit that Trump is right to send in Federal Troops to stop the carnage, destruction and mayhem.

Will you both finally admit that targeting police officers on the actions of a few bad apples is wrong, unjust, unreasonable and barbaric?



Authorities said rocks, bottles and fireworks were thrown at officers.

I expect to hear crickets in regard to your condemnation of the BLM violent mob action.

Blackbery, it would be helpful if you actually read my posts. Even more so if you recalled them.

Nowhere have I condoned violence. I have spoken out against it.

I might just quibble that spray-painting a federal building is vandalism, not violence.

I could turn the tables and argue that you seem mighty unconcerned when innocent Black Americans die through police brutality.

You seem not to have followed the news about more protests showing up in places like Omaha, Nebraska. Federal agents are inflaming the problem, not calming it. Oh, and what about Leaf Blower Dads and the Wall of Moms?

Violence can come from any political persuasion. (Except, I suppose, pacifism and the non-violent protests of Ghandi and MLK.) In the US today, anarchists-- who oppose any form of government control are one sort; and the Antifa crowd engage in violence. But let's not forget the history of the far-right Ku Kux Klan, and the conspiracy theorists who even today preach that school shootings never happened. The NRA has a lot to answer for.

State-sponsored violence exists, as well, on both the right and the left.

Do you actually understand what Marxism is?? It doesn't seem like it.

Do you know what historical materialism is? How about the dialectical process and how class relations define the economic process? What does it mean "to control the means of production"? Whom did Marx mean by "the proletariat"? What is the labor theory of value? What is meant by "alienation" from one's labor?

If you cannot answer these questions, than I respectfully submit that you do not know what Marxism actually stands for.

Not to mention the fact that espousing Marxism is protected under the Constitution. Which I assume you uphold.
 

Dirius

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Dirius, you are making some common errors.

On "socialism" in the name of Hitler's Naitonal Socialist Party, read:
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/27/18283879/nazism-socialism-hitler-gop-brooks-gohmert

"Socialism" was a common word in German political parties in his day. Hitler himself opposed trade unions and communism. He wrote:

Fascism offers us a model that we can absolutely replicate! As it is in the case of Fascism, the entrepreneurs and the workers of our National Socialist state sit side by side, equal in rights, the state strongly intervenes in the case of conflict to impose its decision and end economic disputes that put the life of the nation in danger.”

What Hitler offered was a cult of personality that positioned himself as the invincible Leader, a way out of the Depression and rampant inflation, and a belief in German superiority as an antidote to defeat in WW I and the humilation of the Treaty of Versailles.

It's hard to explain Germany's war against Stalin's Russia if Germany were somehow a political comrade.

Right-wing dictators do attract their followers, do they not? Never mind the body count. Cf. Franco in Spain. As well as left-wing dictators (Cf. Ho Chi Minh.) It becomes part of a national mythology. Really, it's just an ancient longing for a Strong Man form of governance.

Unfortunately, as Lord Acton noted, "Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

I'm sorry waybread but again you are blinded by your own ideology :lol:

As I mentioned fascism is part of the left-wing spectrum.

Mussolini was a marxist. He worked on the marxist paper. The entire ideology is based upon a strong centralised economy managed by the government.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical. The evidence before 1945 was more private than public, which is perhaps significant in itself. In public Hitler was always anti-Marxist, and in an age in which the Soviet Union was the only socialist state on earth, and with anti-Bolshevism a large part of his popular appeal, he may have been understandably reluctant to speak openly of his sources. His megalomania, in any case, would have prevented him from calling himself anyone's disciple.

Its actually not hard. First of all the Soviet Union and Germany were initially allies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact

However even though they were left-wingers, they were separate ideologies. Not uncommon for them to go to war.
 

david starling

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Black Lives Matter doesn't even HAVE a designated Leader, much less a Leader with a cult following. The 3 founders of the movement have stepped out of the way, and have allowed it to take its own course.

We all know what the slogan is really about. It has NOTHING to do with a "Marxist Revolution".
 

david starling

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[Snarky Remark Alert]

Donald Trump, unlike Presidents of the past 100 years, doesn't have even one dog.

The reason: He doesn't need an unquestionably loyal, worshipful pet--he has his followers!
 

eekndyn

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These 3 women are witches. Real witches. All three of these "founder's" are from the black skull and bones secret society. Sigma Pi Phi. Or the gatekeepers to the 9 roundtable boule society. There are 16 principles or points of demonic possession inside the Odu Ifa society and in turn there are 16 chapters of the blm. No coincidence. Who are rooted in the indian thuggee secret society. Who worshiped kali, and those 3 founders of Thuggee in sanskrit names meant. Bheram Black or the dark one, lavith lives, moorti matter. Hence why bangers consider themselves thugs or decivers. Why so, the devil himself,Soros, who was obsessed with Hindu folklore, wanted to decompose the black race.. given the movement from the devil because they did not want a repeat of the 1960's. So he created Blm. Black live MATTER as in a mass a living disposable organism, a waste fecal matter. Giving them the mentality of what they are and not who they are. They are not empowered, they are made to feel less than. Why they want to remove police, black on black crime and abortion running rampant. black folks are just being used as a psyop to destory each other and the black race. By referring themselves to African is a hex. Siphio Afrikanas changed the name from Alkebulan which meant the garden of eden. Afriknas was a slave owner, spirit cooker, pedophile. This nation was founded on equal opportunity not equal outcome. Quit blaming trump as a great divider. Point your finger at the devil himself soros, aka george schwartz, Alicia Garza who's real name is alicia Schwartz. Nothing is what is seems to be. Soros life mission is to see America destroyed and divided. Many black Americans are waking up to the demonrats making them feel suppressed oppressed and less than. Making empty promises to get their vote. All the social justice warriors who follows the ideology of white fragility are intellectually ignorant.
 

david starling

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If Soros wants to destroy the U.S., it actually makes sense that he would fund BLM, which is having the result of helping Trump get reelected. Same with Maxists, who also see another Trump Presidency as hastening the end of the U.S. under the Constitution.

However, the Department of Homeland Security is now in position to decide the final vote tally on its own, and no telling if it wants 4 more years of division and chaos under Trump, or a return to normality under Biden.
 

eekndyn

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Soros hates trump and America. Using the blm to destroy America and point the blame back to trump. As if it is his fault. When trump has done more for black americans since Lincoln.
 

david starling

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Soros hates trump and America. Using the blm to destroy America and point the blame back to trump. As if it is his fault. When trump has done more for black americans since Lincoln.

In your opinion, is the violent result of the BLM helping or hurting Trump's chances for a 2nd term?
 

eekndyn

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In your opinion, is the violent result of the BLM helping or hurting Trump's chances for a 2nd term?

From MANY I have spoke with, the lack of leadership within their own cities are turning them off. With the quote " if you dont vote for me, you ain't black." As if black folks are not free to think for themselves. In addition to another quote "police are the enemies." Many black Americans want to see more police presence in the hood. So i think many involved in the movement are hurting themselves.
 

david starling

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One of three women, Alicia Garza, has publicly refused to condemn the violence. That's despite the claim she and the other 2 founders made that BLM was originally intended to be peaceful.I

It was also supposed to be a women's movement. But in the 2016 Election, before it became well known, BLM refused to endorse a woman for President. Not supporting HRC was equivalent to supporting Trump.
 
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david starling

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From MANY I have spoke with, the lack of leadership within their own cities are turning them off. With the quote " if you dont vote for me, you ain't black." As if black folks are not free to think for themselves. In addition to another quote "police are the enemies." Many black Americans want to see more police presence in the hood. So i think many involved in the movement are hurting themselves.

The leaders of BLM are getting what they want: More support for Trump.
 

eekndyn

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Their endorsement is sanders/warren. Follow the money trail. Blm donations are funneled through Actblue. Biden/sanders /Warren.
 

david starling

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Their endorsement is sanders/warren. Follow the money trail. Blm donations are funneled through Actblue. Biden/sanders /Warren.

You're assuming that BLM donations are being funneled to the Biden campaign. ActBlue doesn't pool the donations it distributes. They go directly to whatever group the donation is designated for.
 

david starling

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Alicia Garza still refuses to endorse the Democratic Presidential candidate.

OR, to condemn the violence that's helping the Trump reelection campaign.
 
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eekndyn

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Alicia Garza still refuses to endorse the Democratic Presidential candidate.

OR, to condemn the violence that's helping the Trump reelection campaign.

Neither does Pelosi. People do what people do.

Dave, follow the money trail.

Black Lives Matter, which is not a 501(c)(3) charitable group, uses an IRS-approved 501(c)(3) organization — Thousand Currents — as its fiscal sponsor, and so donations made on the Black Lives Matter website through the left-wing ActBlue donation platform go to Thousand Currents, which says it then distributes them to Black Lives Matter. Look into thousand currents and weather underground. You have to do the research. It does go back into the dnc.
 

david starling

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Neither does Pelosi. People do what people do.

Dave, follow the money trail.

Black Lives Matter, which is not a 501(c)(3) charitable group, uses an IRS-approved 501(c)(3) organization — Thousand Currents — as its fiscal sponsor, and so donations made on the Black Lives Matter website through the left-wing ActBlue donation platform go to Thousand Currents, which says it then distributes them to Black Lives Matter. Look into thousand currents and weather underground. You have to do the research. It does go back into the dnc.

Thousand Currents wants to destabilize America under the Constitution. So, it's partnership with the BLM founders, who also want to destabilize America, makes sense: Trump's their choice to help them achieve their goal of destabilizing America under the Constitution, so they welcome the violence being associated with BLM, which is helping the Trump reelection campaign.
 
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