david starling
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We have one member who's an anti-Capitalist Trump supporter who knows that racism exists in the U.S.
Is that a Left-wing or a Right-wing poster?
A Discussion Thread About Racism in America
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We have one member who's an anti-Capitalist Trump supporter who knows that racism exists in the U.S.
Is that a Left-wing or a Right-wing poster?
Dirius
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We have one member who's an anti-Capitalist Trump supporter who knows that racism exists in the U.S.
Is that a Left-wing or a Right-wing poster?
Neither. From my perspective he is one of the few people whom you could classify to be center/center.
He seems a bit libertarian when it comes to individual rights, but believes in some state-sponsored programs (such as health-care) which is left-leaning, economically seems more against big corporations - I don't think he is against small/medium size business. So I wouldn't call him an "anti-capitalist" more like an "anti-cronysm" which is another libertarian position.
Kind of like a neutral/neutral in D&D.
aquarius7000
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The importance laid on the attainment in academics is what later translates into work ethics because one’s attitude of perseverance and industry has already developed through the former right from the start/ at a young age. Of course there is a percentage of poor performers in academics and accordingly later in life also, even in Asian societies. The importance on doing well and perseverance in order to do so also has to do with the struggle to earn one’s bread and butter (to put it crudely- for the sake of getting the msg across), which is more in most Asian countries (same pie divided amongst 100 people than 10 obviously makes a lot of difference) and most certainly also has to do with the cultural values of a given society. For instance, in most South Asian countries, the youth has been fending and caring for their parents- when they grow old. This obviously enhances the need for earning a decent amount through hard work much more.
JUPITERASC
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Dirius
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I see so in your mind, it is also because of the conditions country of their country of origin?
* If that were true, how come Latinos who migrate from countries which are much poorer than Asian countries, and also have to care for their parents - are not doing as well?
Is it possible for a closed mind to realise it has nothing to do with Race or Ethnicity or Country of Origin? These are racist ideas, which devalue the individual character of a person.
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JUPITERASC
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Meanwhile across the Pond
The Scottish Parliament
has called for the immediate suspension of exports of riot gear
tear gas and rubber bullets to the United States
in light of the police response
to the ongoing Black Lives Matter protests
A successful motion
which was backed by 52 votes to 0 with 11 abstentions
says the parliament
"...stands in solidarity with the Black Lives Matter movement
and considers that the UK government
must immediately suspend
all export licences for tear gas, rubber bullets and riot gear to the US...".
Patrick Harvie, the Green MSP who proposed the successful amendment
said the "...weapons of oppression..."
which the UK government has granted active export licences for
were being used by a "...racist state..."
to "...brutalise marginalise communities...".
Meanwhile across the Pond
The Scottish Parliament
has called for the immediate suspension of exports of riot gear
tear gas and rubber bullets to the United States
in light of the police response
to the ongoing Black Lives Matter protests
A successful motion
which was backed by 52 votes to 0 with 11 abstentions
says the parliament
"...stands in solidarity with the Black Lives Matter movement
and considers that the UK government
must immediately suspend
all export licences for tear gas, rubber bullets and riot gear to the US...".
Patrick Harvie, the Green MSP who proposed the successful amendment
said the "...weapons of oppression..."
which the UK government has granted active export licences for
were being used by a "...racist state..."
to "...brutalise marginalise communities...".
What definition are you using for racist?
The possibility of differences between "whites and blacks" being due to work ethics or another cultural factor is around 0%. Potential employers can determine a person's racial identity by the school they attended, their voice (if not seen), and their appearance. It's slightly comparable to ageism. If you are over 50 and you put the year you graduated high school on a resume, you will likely have a hard time getting a job. People make all types of assumptions about what you can and cannot do based on your age.
CapAquaPis
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Ageism, like racism and sexism (women have a harder time getting ahead in the work world than men) are real social phenomena we claim to abandoned in the Civil Rights movement in the 1960s. Ableism, sizeism and classism are big sociological issues as well, it's human nature we tend to judge people for how they look without knowing them individually. Also, people who have regional accents, ethnic origins and having a different religious belief can face a level of discrimination by others who made assumptions about their backgrounds.
leomoon
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His "camp" for the Elections is saying they have 1 Million want to be attendees called RSVP tickets. I wonder if they cost anything? One million people during a Pandemic in a stadium which holds 19,500.
The Tulsa Health comm. is asking them to reconsider this rally entirely.
We know they won't.
Today, there is a video released from Trump walking down the ramp of the West Military Academy he spoke at the commencement the other day.
He was walking very gingerly, very carefully, watching his shoes the whole way. The Military officer accompanying him walked with him down the ramp at the same pace, but didn't watch his shoes or walk the same way. Something neurological seems wrong with this man.
They also showed him this same day sipping water from a cup but carefully using his other hand to tip the glass .
The videos are worth investigating if you are a trump watcher.
I found one here with them:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/politics/donald-trump-ramp-west-point-speech/index.html
david starling
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For me, it's about how people are actually treated, regardless of how they are thought of by others.
aquarius7000
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Well said and accurate as well.
Making assumptions, a certain discriminatory and derogatory thought process is what leads to racist actions later. Whilst some 'awe' and hesitation towards somebody that is different to oneself might be in the nature of a human being, but you would think that in the 21st century, where there is so much global awareness and information overflow, the impediment of foreign-ness would have decreased and that people would be refined enough not to act on such inhibitions, rather inform themselves as to why somebody speaks or looks differently. Obviously one deeply ingrained problem in the 'developed' world is that some (not all) still have a disgusting superiority complex and so look down at others. History has proof galore, but the sad part is that it is not history and the problem is still abundantly present as we almost weekly get reminded.
That is just your opinion. As I said, the data only shows that there are differences, not why those differences exist. You should show data that presents evidence that these differences are entirely due to racism, and those between whites and asians to be not.
CapAquaPis
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Meanwhile in So CA, we deal with racist idiots and the COVID pandemic hit us too, the term "Karen" is an angry white woman harassing minorities and liberal activists, here's a "Karen" incident in high Asian populated Torrance CA (my Mom is from there, grew up in Redondo Beach).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRi67OWNfis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRi67OWNfis
david starling
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The original "Karen" was an angry FEMALE dog owner being verbally reprimanded by a big, strong MAN because of the leash law in that particular park. He was acting as a self-appointed park ranger, on behalf of what he perceived as a threat to the bird population in that park. What he should have done was to simply notify animal control officials that the leash-law in that park was being violated--it wasn't his job enforce it.
He deliberately instigated the confrontation as a bird-lover versus a dog-lover. This was a case of both participants acting badly, imo. She retaliated in a totally unacceptable, racist manner, highlighting the racist expectation that the police would be on the side of a "white woman being intimidated by a black man", regardless of who had the law on their side.
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david starling
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This other "Karen incident" also had 2 participants. Who wears a black commando-style outfit on a hot day, and does military-style exercises on the stairway of a public building?
This other "Karen" behaved in totally racist way as a totally unacceptable response to what looks to me like passive-aggressive, antisocial behavior.
The much younger, athletic woman could have paused her frantic exercise regimen just for a moment in order to give an older, much-less-physically-fit woman some space to walk past her. Very rude behavior on her part.
This other "Karen" behaved in totally racist way as a totally unacceptable response to what looks to me like passive-aggressive, antisocial behavior.
The much younger, athletic woman could have paused her frantic exercise regimen just for a moment in order to give an older, much-less-physically-fit woman some space to walk past her. Very rude behavior on her part.
david starling
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You know you're racially prejudiced if you respond to rude, provocative behavior by seeing the other person as a member of a race, instead of as a rude, bullying, individual.
If you act in a harmful manner to that person based on that racial prejudice, then you know you're a true racist.
If you act in a harmful manner to that person based on that racial prejudice, then you know you're a true racist.
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Where is your data to support your full statement? "It is possible that some amount of difference between whites and blacks are due to widespread racism, while those between asians and whites to be not. It is also possible that both differences are mostly due to ''work ethics'' or any other cultural factor. The data only shows that there are differences, not why those differences exist."
You would first need to define Black culture. What is it? The same with Asian culture.
You're right Dirius, I have been silent about her statement. I did not want to agree with you because I disagreed with several statements you made. The statement she made was racist by the dictionary definition of racist - "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race." There is really no getting around it. Thank you for being persistent.
The fact that there is correlation between race and intelligence, education, wealth, crime etc. indicates that there are racial differences that need to be addressed. This could be due to current or past racism from whites, or from blacks themselves, or partly from both. I don't know.
I don't believe races of humans exist, but I believe genetic similarity exists between individuals of the human race (descending from Noah), and that what people generally recognize and classify as races, are rough and imperfect approximations of some genetic similarity, along which comes cultural similarity. The biological differences between two persons of any race are greater than the biological difference between races, according to geneticists. Racial differences are a complex and controversial subject where racist or communist ideology (materialism which progresses into either sociobiology or lamarckism) usually trump reason.
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