DEMOCRATS WORRIED that Joe BIDEN TOO FEEBLE lacks mental alertness to TAKE ON TRUMP

leomoon

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The electoral college vote on 14 Dec is the date of the solar eclipse which opposes Trump's natal Sun and conjoins his natal Moon. Trump was born on a lunar eclipse (like being born in the eye of a storm) so resonates to them strongly


solar eclipses signify the end of reigns. ~@DeborahHoulding
 

ElenaJ

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Horary chart for "Will Biden become President?"

The presidency is the 10th, mercury separating from the square to saturn and receiving a square from moon without reception.
Biden is 7th, neptune conjunct the cusp, and Jupiter as co-ruler retrograde and in it fall in his 11th of hopes and future. Mars will square Jupiter.
South node is in the 4th of endings, as well as Part of Fortune that is exactly square Chiron in the 7th.
 

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ElenaJ

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The electoral college vote on 14 Dec is the date of the solar eclipse which opposes Trump's natal Sun and conjoins his natal Moon. Trump was born on a lunar eclipse (like being born in the eye of a storm) so resonates to them strongly


solar eclipses signify the end of reigns. ~@DeborahHoulding

It will be fascinating to see how this plays out.
 

leomoon

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I had a major computer crash (Mercury shadow period), unlike any in the past, literally destroying any hope of finding many folders all concerning the past 4 years, Trump and the Elections.


I know I had a horary I did back in 2019 but cannot find it now. IF I find I will post, but meanwhile, I posted this one just the other day which may tie in with the above chart from Elena with an answer.


From what I recall of the 2019 Horary regarding the 2020 Elections, it was similar to Elena's....and I surmised it was going to entail a lot of court battles. (I used Vesta) ....Perhaps I posted it elsewhere but its not under the horary threads. :sad: :sad:
Meanwhile, this one seems to say trump is house 10 - Saturn found in the 9th of justice and higher courts with Pluto-Jupiter.

Biden I take as 7th or Mars in Aries 12th house, a cadent house and rx. Neither make an aspect to the Moon. But the 4th or "end of the matter" house is ruled by the Sun found in the cadent 6th (longer time frame) and is opposite the Moon. Ironically, Vesta makes no aspects falling in the house of gambles and speculation? All the major indicators including the ASC are in their own signs, all strengthened. It may be a long drawn out battle yet to come?
The Sun (ruler of the 4th) is in the terms of Jupiter and Face of Mars (Biden)



note: I think I'm out of my pay grade on this one!





 
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leomoon

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Horary chart for "Will Biden become President?"

The presidency is the 10th, mercury separating from the square to saturn and receiving a square from moon without reception.
Biden is 7th, neptune conjunct the cusp, and Jupiter as co-ruler retrograde and in it fall in his 11th of hopes and future. Mars will square Jupiter.
South node is in the 4th of endings, as well as Part of Fortune that is exactly square Chiron in the 7th.




Mercury rules the ASC the same ruler as the 10th house or office of the Presidency. Mercury 26:52 deg.Libra in her own terms and face of Jupiter (ruler of the 7th of enemies or the other) With Mercury receiving the square from the Moon I’d say yes, with a lot of struggle and of course marred by myriad accusations (7th) of deception i.e. Neptune …which likely will not go away over the course of his new administration. The ghost of the 7th (Jupiter) or Trump and his minions in the 5th of speculation also opposes the Moon. Jupiter in the terms of Jupiter and face of the Sun is strengthened. The Sun in the 3rd in a very critical degree of Scorpio may be exactly that, the criticisms and accusations of stealing the election will haunt via the house of communications in a very vengeful (Scorpionic) fashion .
The Asc is also in a critical degree for a mutable sign.



note: Interesting but not altogether surprising either, that Chiron is feeling the wound via the POF for this chart event.
 

ElenaJ

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I had a major computer crash (Mercury shadow period), unlike any in the past, literally destroying any hope of finding many folders all concerning the past 4 years, Trump and the Elections.


I know I had a horary I did back in 2019 but cannot find it now. IF I find I will post, but meanwhile, I posted this one just the other day which may tie in with the above chart from Elena with an answer.


From what I recall of the 2019 Horary regarding the 2020 Elections, it was similar to Elena's....and I surmised it was going to entail a lot of court battles. (I used Vesta) ....Perhaps I posted it elsewhere but its not under the horary threads. :sad: :sad:
Meanwhile, this one seems to say trump is house 10 - Saturn found in the 9th of justice and higher courts with Pluto-Jupiter.

Biden I take as 7th or Mars in Aries 12th house, a cadent house and rx. Neither make an aspect to the Moon. But the 4th or "end of the matter" house is ruled by the Sun found in the cadent 6th (longer time frame) and is opposite the Moon. Ironically, Vesta makes no aspects falling in the house of gambles and speculation? All the major indicators including the ASC are in their own signs, all strengthened. It may be a long drawn out battle yet to come?
The Sun (ruler of the 4th) is in the terms of Jupiter and Face of Mars (Biden)



note: I think I'm out of my pay grade on this one!






In this chart did you assign ascendent or descendent to POTUS?

Venus, ascendent ruler, trines Midheaven.
MH in a fixed sign would indicate it is not changing.

However, Uranus, co-ruler of the MH squares from the 12th house, unexpected things going on behind the scenes.

Retrograde mercury squaring Saturn of the MH, but moon's last aspect will be a trine to Saturn.
 

JUPITERASC

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The op chart shows the wrong birth time so here is his true birth chart - on the day of the December Solar Eclipse:


(over his 4th house) .....sounds like he is moving?












NOT NECESSARILY :smile:






keep in mind that
the moon returns to the same degree
on a certain date
every 19 years
on the Metonic Cycle of the Moon
:smile:


So if you have not noticed anything extraordinary happening
when there was a full moon lunar eclipse
on your natal planet or angle in the past
then

perhaps nothing much is likely to occur this time either

- although Moon may return to the same sign earlier than that
e.g. on another cycle. The moon has several cycles.



IT IS POSSIBLE that eclipses directly on natal planets
MAY have negative - even fatal effects.
HOWEVER the effect of the eclipse varies,
dependent on the individual natal chart planetary placements

BECAUSE Angles ASC/DESC/IC/MC
are a variable factor from chart to chart.

So generalization is not encouraged :smile:


Eclipse effects ARE NOT NECESSARILY 'disastrous'
but they are certainly linked with change
such as relocation, change of career, relationship changes.
An eclipse - whether solar or lunar - does not necessarily affect everyone
but those whose natal charts are connected to it
by aspect to their natal planets/ASC/DESC/IC/MC.


According to a book
"Predictive Power of Eclipse Paths" by Bill Meridian:

QUOTE

“Eclipse paths are an astrological technique
that can pin point important areas on the surface of the earth
for you individually.
When you were born there had to be an eclipse near your birth.
By a method developed in the 1930's by Lorne Edward Johndhro of California
which he later passed on to Charles A Jayne Junior
of New York
we can determine which eclipse is your eclipse path.
This could be an area
that could be very important to you during your life
whether you go there or not.
People from that area, ideas from that area, products from that area
can be very important to you. ”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t4FQ...eature=related


The natal part of the book explains

that the "birth eclipse" is the eclipse nearest to birth,
before or after - usually a solar eclipse,

but is sometimes lunar.
Bill Meridan's book explains
that Eclipses on the same area
can be studied as eclipse families.
An eclipse can link two places together.
There are eclipses that activate other eclipses,
from decades earlier.

Events that happen on or around an eclipse
can have fateful outcomes when activated by later eclipses

Every 18 years or so, eclipses repeat,
which can have significant impact.
All of which is to say that
a solar eclipse remains a sensitive point for years,
decades, even centuries.

Far longer than anyone had previously thought.



"This book will revolutionize the study of eclipses" Cycles Research.
http://www.billmeridian.com/ppoep.html :smile:

Relocation? Change of Career? (as mentioned below )

It appears that way so far for Donald John Trump who will be experiencing a Lunar Eclipse on December 14th, 2020:







The Total Solar Eclipse on 12/14/20 will be 23Sagittarius - DJT was born on the day of a T Lunar Eclipse - 23 Sagittarius.



about Eclipses in general:
I found this link referring to the Eclipse from Jupiter ASC -


by the way
effect of an eclipse varies
dependent on the individual natal chart planetary placements
BECAUSE Angles ASC/DESC/IC/MC
are a variable factor from chart to chart.
So generalization is not encouraged :smile:

one may note however that
Eclipse effects are certainly linked with change
such as relocation, change of career, relationship changes
possibly to friends or relatives
not necessarily oneself
dependent on the natal chart promise

An eclipse can link two places together.
There are eclipses that activate other eclipses
from decades earlier.
Events that happen on or around an eclipse can have outcomes
when activated by later eclipses
Every 18 years or so, eclipses repeat, which can have significant impact.
All of which is to say that a solar eclipse
remains a sensitive point for years, decades, even centuries.
Far longer than anyone had previously thought.
"... book will revolutionize the study of eclipses"
Cycles Research. http://www.billmeridian.com/ppoep.html :smile:


therefore
recalling events at the previous eclipse on that degree
provides insight regarding potential
 

ElenaJ

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Historically eclipses have always signified some great event on a global scale
In this case, it touches the natal chart of the leader of the free world.
Let's see how it works out.
 

ElenaJ

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There is a theory that US Presidents elected in a year ending in zero, following the 20 year cycle, die in office or experience serious assassination attempts..
The last two were Reagan and Bush jr, who both survived the assassination attempts.

"The Curse of Tippecanoe (also known as Tecumseh's Curse or the 20 Year Presidential Curse) is the supposed pattern of deaths in office of presidents of the United States elected in years that are evenly divisible by 20,[1] from 1840 to 1960. Because of the timing of presidential elections, these are also those taking place in years ending with 0. The presidents fitting this description were William Henry Harrison (elected in 1840), Abraham Lincoln (1860), James A. Garfield (1880), William McKinley (1900), Warren G. Harding (1920), Franklin D. Roosevelt (1940) and John F. Kennedy (1960).

Ronald Reagan (1980) was seriously wounded by gunshot, but survived more than 15 years after his second term. George W. Bush (2000) survived his terms in office, despite an assassination attempt. Thomas Jefferson (1800) and James Monroe (1820) preceded the supposed curse, and outlived their presidencies by 17 and 6 years, respectively."

There must be an astrological link to this recurrence.
 

JUPITERASC

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Historically
eclipses have always
signified some great event on a global scale


.
clearly

EVENTS on A GLOBAL SCALE are

the PROVINCE OF MUNDANE ASTROLOGY :smile:

In this case,
it touches the natal chart of
the leader of the free world.
.
as well as the natal charts of
the three hundred and sixty plus individuals born worldwide
the same day as the leader of the free world

and
keep in mind as well
that
Mundane astrology is very hierarchical
Starting with the Grand Conjunction
a Natal Chart is eighth in the pecking order :smile:
and THEN
Horary is below your Natal Chart

Horary is lowest on the Mundane Hierarchy


MUNDANE ASTROLOGY CHART SUPERCEDES both horary & natal :smile:

i.e.
for those keen to delineate the MUNDANE ASTROLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE:


MUNDANE ASTROLOGY HIERARCH:

Grand Conjunction 1702
21 May 1702
4:01:37 PM
+4:56:02
Federal Hall, New York
074°W00'37"
40°N42'26"

Great Mutation (Earth) 1802
17 Jul 1802
5:52:26 PM
+4:56:02
Federal Hall, New York

Great Conjunction 2000
28 May 2000
11:07:39 AM
+4:56:02
Federal Hall, New York

Great Malefic 2004
25 May 2004
1:20 AM
+4:56:02
Federal Hall, New York
....is currently the operating Malefic Chart
and then the following will become operative....
Great Malefic 2034
26 Jun 2034
5:33:42 PM
+4:56:02
Federal Hall, New York


2020 Aries Ingress
March 2020
Federal Hall, New York

next consult
2020 TWELVE NEW MOON CHARTS
one for each month

ONLY THEN

INSERT NATAL CHART HERE
That is place in the hierarchy of charts.

INSERT HORARY CHART HERE
That is horary charts place in the hierarchy of charts


Note: Relocate MUNDANE CHART(s) to your country :smile:
and
for maximum accuracy, use the "foundation point"
eg: Romania = Alba Iulia, not Bucharesti
Japan = Kyoto, not Tokyo
Spain = Toledo, not Madrid
and so on
Let's see how it works out
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
There is a theory
that US Presidents elected in a year ending in zero, following the 20 year cycle,
die in office or experience serious assassination attempts..
The last two were Reagan and Bush jr, who both survived
the assassination attempts.
"The Curse of Tippecanoe
(also known as Tecumseh's Curse or the 20 Year Presidential Curse)
is the supposed pattern of deaths in office
of presidents of the United States
elected in years that are evenly divisible by 20,[1] from 1840 to 1960.

Because of the timing of presidential elections, these are also those taking place in years ending with 0.
The presidents fitting this description were
William Henry Harrison (elected in 1840), Abraham Lincoln (1860), James A. Garfield (1880),
William McKinley (1900), Warren G. Harding (1920), Franklin D. Roosevelt (1940)
and John F. Kennedy (1960).
Ronald Reagan (1980) was seriously wounded by gunshot
, but survived more than 15 years after his second term.
George W. Bush (2000) survived his terms in office,
despite an assassination attempt.
Thomas Jefferson (1800) and James Monroe (1820)
preceded the supposed curse,
and outlived their presidencies by 17 and 6 years, respectively."
by the way notice the following event August 2020

https://greatgameindia.com/assassination-donald-trump/
Assassination Attempt On US President Donald Trump Foiled By Secret Service
11 August 2020


An assassination attempt on the American President Donald Trump

has been foiled by the Secret Service.

The President informed that someone was shot outside the White House by Secret Service
and taken to a hospital.
There must be an astrological link to this recurrence.
some surmise "... the astrological link..."
as being Jupiter's alignment with SATURN
which occurs at intervals of just under 20 years :smile:

Jupiter and SATURN were called by astrologers of old
the "Great Chronocrators".
For millennia
the alignment of these two planets
has been regarded
as a significator of great social
economic
and
political watersheds

- historic turning points, if you will.

hence
referred to

as
"The Great Conjunction"


clearly then
Juiter Saturn conjunctions have been charted for millenia
by MUNDANE ASTROLOGERS

Jupiter's alignment with SATURN
occurs at intervals of just under 20 years
The aspect is occasionally repeated due to a retrograde
of one or both planets.
Each successive conjunction
not counting retrograde repeats
occurs at a mean advance of
approximately 243 degrees relative to its predecessor
although from one alignment to the next
this arc can vary considerably.






jupiter-saturn-dec-2020-Ryan-lg-e1564914578660.jpg


jupiter-saturn-moon-12-16-2020-Ryan-lg-e1564914671394.png




Every third conjunction
i.e.
once every 60 years
brings the alignment back
to its starting place, plus around 9 degrees:
this 60 year cycle is termed
FIRST ORDER RECURRENCE of the conjunction.

Every 40th conjunction - roughly once every 800 years -
brings the alignment back to within about 1 degree of its starting place:
this approximate 800 year cycle is termed SECOND ORDER RECURRENCE
aka GREAT MUTATION CYCLE








 
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