Jupiter, Venus and Mercury are indicative of fine offspring, but Saturn and Mars signify the lamenting of children or childlessness.
Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces - Fertile - The Crab, the Scorpion and the Fishes are prolific creatures.
Leo, Aquarius, Aries - Semi-Infertile - The Lion, the Water-Pourer and the Ram are not prolific creatures, and their rulers are not indicative of children.
Virgo, Sagittarius, Capricorn - Infertile - The Maiden, the Archer and the Goat-Horned One are not associated with fertility, the latter because they are enigmatic and unintelligible.
Libra, Taurus, Gemini - Semi-Fertile - The Bull because of the Pleaides and Venus, the Scales because of its human nature and Venus, and the Twins because of its human nature and Mercury.
Angular and to a lesser extent operative images give children, but also gives them distinction, if the ruler of the lot is the most well placed star in the nativity, it signifies that the children become more distinguished than the native, but if the opposite, they do not. Judge the same for brothers (and the lots of the father and the mother) Inoperative images take away children or signify childlessness. Saturn promising children gives them adopted, while double-bodied images predominating an area signify twins, children from different affairs and half-siblings.
1. Concerning the number of children and siblings we first examine whether Jupiter, Venus and Mercury are well-placed.
If they are all angular, they grant two children and two brothers, if operative they grant one child and one brother, if inoperative none.
2. Concerning the number of children we then examine the place of affairs, measured from Jupiter to Venus, but if Jupiter is inoperative while Venus is operative, we measure from Venus to Jupiter.
Fertile images grant 3 children, semi-fertile - 2, semi-infertile - 1, infertile - 0. Aspects by Jupiter and Venus give children. Conjunction, square or opposition by Saturn or Mars take away children or they signify childlessness. Examine also the ruler.
3. Concerning the number of children we then examine the culminating image.
Fertile images and semi-fertile signify 1 child, but semi-infertile or infertile none. Aspects by Jupiter and Venus give children. Conjunction, square or opposition by Saturn or Mars take away children or they signify childlessness. Examine also the ruler.
4. Concerning the number of brothers we then examine the place of brothers, measured from Mercury to Jupiter, but if Mercury is inoperative while Jupiter is operative, we measure from Jupiter to Mercury.
Fertile images grant 3 brothers, semi-fertile - 2, semi-infertile - 1, infertile - 0. Aspects by Jupiter and Venus give brothers. Conjunction, square or opposition by Saturn or Mars take away brothers or they signify no brothers. Examine also the ruler.
5. Concerning the number of brothers we then examine the rising image.
Fertile images and semi-fertile signify 1 brother, but semi-infertile or infertile none. Aspects by Jupiter and Venus give brothers. Conjunction, square or opposition by Saturn or Mars take away brothers or they signify no brothers. Examine also the ruler.
6. Concerning the gender of children, the rulers and the stars in aspect, the midheaven and the lot in masculine images give male children, but in feminine images, they give female children. The predominating gender will be true for one and two children, sometimes for three, rarely for four unless all indications are of one gender or there are many children indicated. If the indications are mixed for even numbers, judge equal number of each gender.
7. Concerning the gender of siblings, the rulers and the stars in aspect, the ascendant and the lot in masculine images give brothers, but in feminine images, they give sisters.
The predominating gender will be true for one and two siblings, sometimes for three, rarely for four unless all indications are of one gender or there are many siblings indicated. If the indications are mixed for even numbers, judge equal number of each gender.
Example 1 - Libra Rising, Moon with Libra, Saturn and Jupiter with Capricorn, Mercury and the Sun with Aquarius, Venus with Aries, Mars with Gemini. Fortune with Aquarius and the prenatal Full Moon with Leo. Siblings - Virgo, Children - Capricorn. He has one sister, two sons and one daughter for:
1. - 1
2. - 0
3. - 2
4. - 0
5. - 0
6. - Moon, Venus, (Sun, Mercury and Mars have minor influence) placement
7. - Virgo, Jupiter, (Saturn and the Moon on the ascendant?)
Example 2 - 2 children - https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bowie,_David
1 - 1
2 - 0
3 - 1
Example 3 – 5 children - https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Trump,_Donald
1 - 1
2 - 2
3 - 2
Example 4 - 0 children - https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Pope_Francis_I. , Pisces is the sign of papacy
1 - notice all infertile signs
2 - notice the placement and opposition of the ruler, the person is able to have children, but is celibate
3 - notice the opposition of Mars
Saturn is the Master of the Nativity.
Example 5 - 0 children – https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Pope_Benedict_XVI , Virgo, Pisces and Gemini are the signs of priests
1 - Mercury exchanges rays with Mars and Venus is opposed to Saturn
2 - notice the opposition of Saturn from the place of occupation
3 - notice the conjunction of Saturn
In any case, the occupation, the length of life and universals can change those signs. This is why having a natal theory and hierarchy is one of the good ideas by Ptolemy.*
Example 6 - 0 children - https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Monroe,_Marilyn
1 - 1
2 - 0
3 - 0
And so on.
Example 7 - 7 children – https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Heisenberg,_Werner
1 - 1
2 – 5 (including twins because of Gemini)
3 – 1
Mercury is making a heliacal rising and is angular with a fertile image. He had one marriage (because Scorpio is a solid sign) and 7 children, 2 of which twins on account of the placement of the Lot and the fertile sign of the Scorpion.
He also met his wife and married at the exact rising time of sidereal Gemini - 35.25 years. Gemini and Scorpio are like-ascending (contra-antiscia) - sharing similar rising times, so they are also sympathetic.
We use the 129 years with the ruler of affairs, we allot 20 years to Mercury (ruler of Gemini) and then 19 years to the Sun, but let say the marriage would occur on secondary distribution of the benefics:
We divide the Sun's 19 Egyptian years of 365 days into 129 parts:
Sun - 1021.43410853
Moon - 1343.99224806
Saturn - 1612.79069768
Jupiter - 645.11627907
Mars - 806.395348838
Venus - 430.07751938
Mercury - 1075.19379845
So he married in the chronocratorship of Venus and had twins born in the chronocratorship of Mercury, a remarkable coincidence that the beneficial Jupiter square Moon (12 + 25) is also activated at the time.
Mercury no doubt is significant of the intelligence of his children as well - two being distinguished scientists. The stars and images that are the same and indicative of the native, brothers and children are related to heredity or the environment.
Hellenistic lots:
Lot of Siblings - Saturn to Jupiter by day, Jupiter to Saturn by night
Lot of Children - Jupiter to Saturn by day, Saturn to Jupiter by night
Valens also has separate ones for sons and daughters, the latter by day is the same as mine I believe, as is the lot of marriage, but by night.
Some astrologers use V for children (Ptolemy and Valens also mention IV and XI by derivatives) and III for siblings (usually along with I).
I encourage everyone to compare those houses and lots in the two zodiacs and decide for himself what works best. I personally can't take seriously using 4 houses.
The first sentence is mentioned by Ptolemy, Valens and Petosiris (cited in Valens), although Ptolemy says evening star Mercury takes away children as well (which I believe influenced the latter medieval approach that saw Gemini as barren because of Mercury). For the fertile and barren, I made a compromise between various authors. Double-bodied signifying half-brothers is from Rhetorius. Saturn signification is according to variety of authors. Example of one adopted son - https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/c...de_aspects=1&redraw_button=Redraw#tabs_redraw
*I use the following division of natal theory and I usually delineate the chart in the following order (I do 1. for myself in order to be careful with predictions).
1. Length of Life (including vitality and distinction, without it, any prediction is impossible)
2. Appearance (physical appearance/personality, which is important for knowing whether the ascendant is correct)
3. Household (the lineage included, events before birth, but also important along lifetime as well - livelihood and property)
4. Parents (events before birth have effect on how you delineate the chart in the end)
5. Brothers (events around birth, examine the I and II for childhood in general)
6. Action (education and occupation)
7. Affairs (after birth, and many times they come as result of occupation, or they do not as we see in some cases)
8. Children (after affairs)
9. Friendship (important, but not as the previous)
10. Travel (noticeable topic)
Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces - Fertile - The Crab, the Scorpion and the Fishes are prolific creatures.
Leo, Aquarius, Aries - Semi-Infertile - The Lion, the Water-Pourer and the Ram are not prolific creatures, and their rulers are not indicative of children.
Virgo, Sagittarius, Capricorn - Infertile - The Maiden, the Archer and the Goat-Horned One are not associated with fertility, the latter because they are enigmatic and unintelligible.
Libra, Taurus, Gemini - Semi-Fertile - The Bull because of the Pleaides and Venus, the Scales because of its human nature and Venus, and the Twins because of its human nature and Mercury.
Angular and to a lesser extent operative images give children, but also gives them distinction, if the ruler of the lot is the most well placed star in the nativity, it signifies that the children become more distinguished than the native, but if the opposite, they do not. Judge the same for brothers (and the lots of the father and the mother) Inoperative images take away children or signify childlessness. Saturn promising children gives them adopted, while double-bodied images predominating an area signify twins, children from different affairs and half-siblings.
1. Concerning the number of children and siblings we first examine whether Jupiter, Venus and Mercury are well-placed.
If they are all angular, they grant two children and two brothers, if operative they grant one child and one brother, if inoperative none.
2. Concerning the number of children we then examine the place of affairs, measured from Jupiter to Venus, but if Jupiter is inoperative while Venus is operative, we measure from Venus to Jupiter.
Fertile images grant 3 children, semi-fertile - 2, semi-infertile - 1, infertile - 0. Aspects by Jupiter and Venus give children. Conjunction, square or opposition by Saturn or Mars take away children or they signify childlessness. Examine also the ruler.
3. Concerning the number of children we then examine the culminating image.
Fertile images and semi-fertile signify 1 child, but semi-infertile or infertile none. Aspects by Jupiter and Venus give children. Conjunction, square or opposition by Saturn or Mars take away children or they signify childlessness. Examine also the ruler.
4. Concerning the number of brothers we then examine the place of brothers, measured from Mercury to Jupiter, but if Mercury is inoperative while Jupiter is operative, we measure from Jupiter to Mercury.
Fertile images grant 3 brothers, semi-fertile - 2, semi-infertile - 1, infertile - 0. Aspects by Jupiter and Venus give brothers. Conjunction, square or opposition by Saturn or Mars take away brothers or they signify no brothers. Examine also the ruler.
5. Concerning the number of brothers we then examine the rising image.
Fertile images and semi-fertile signify 1 brother, but semi-infertile or infertile none. Aspects by Jupiter and Venus give brothers. Conjunction, square or opposition by Saturn or Mars take away brothers or they signify no brothers. Examine also the ruler.
6. Concerning the gender of children, the rulers and the stars in aspect, the midheaven and the lot in masculine images give male children, but in feminine images, they give female children. The predominating gender will be true for one and two children, sometimes for three, rarely for four unless all indications are of one gender or there are many children indicated. If the indications are mixed for even numbers, judge equal number of each gender.
7. Concerning the gender of siblings, the rulers and the stars in aspect, the ascendant and the lot in masculine images give brothers, but in feminine images, they give sisters.
The predominating gender will be true for one and two siblings, sometimes for three, rarely for four unless all indications are of one gender or there are many siblings indicated. If the indications are mixed for even numbers, judge equal number of each gender.
Example 1 - Libra Rising, Moon with Libra, Saturn and Jupiter with Capricorn, Mercury and the Sun with Aquarius, Venus with Aries, Mars with Gemini. Fortune with Aquarius and the prenatal Full Moon with Leo. Siblings - Virgo, Children - Capricorn. He has one sister, two sons and one daughter for:
1. - 1
2. - 0
3. - 2
4. - 0
5. - 0
6. - Moon, Venus, (Sun, Mercury and Mars have minor influence) placement
7. - Virgo, Jupiter, (Saturn and the Moon on the ascendant?)
Example 2 - 2 children - https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bowie,_David
1 - 1
2 - 0
3 - 1
Example 3 – 5 children - https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Trump,_Donald
1 - 1
2 - 2
3 - 2
Example 4 - 0 children - https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Pope_Francis_I. , Pisces is the sign of papacy
1 - notice all infertile signs
2 - notice the placement and opposition of the ruler, the person is able to have children, but is celibate
3 - notice the opposition of Mars
Saturn is the Master of the Nativity.
Example 5 - 0 children – https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Pope_Benedict_XVI , Virgo, Pisces and Gemini are the signs of priests
1 - Mercury exchanges rays with Mars and Venus is opposed to Saturn
2 - notice the opposition of Saturn from the place of occupation
3 - notice the conjunction of Saturn
In any case, the occupation, the length of life and universals can change those signs. This is why having a natal theory and hierarchy is one of the good ideas by Ptolemy.*
Example 6 - 0 children - https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Monroe,_Marilyn
1 - 1
2 - 0
3 - 0
And so on.
Example 7 - 7 children – https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Heisenberg,_Werner
1 - 1
2 – 5 (including twins because of Gemini)
3 – 1
Mercury is making a heliacal rising and is angular with a fertile image. He had one marriage (because Scorpio is a solid sign) and 7 children, 2 of which twins on account of the placement of the Lot and the fertile sign of the Scorpion.
He also met his wife and married at the exact rising time of sidereal Gemini - 35.25 years. Gemini and Scorpio are like-ascending (contra-antiscia) - sharing similar rising times, so they are also sympathetic.
We use the 129 years with the ruler of affairs, we allot 20 years to Mercury (ruler of Gemini) and then 19 years to the Sun, but let say the marriage would occur on secondary distribution of the benefics:
We divide the Sun's 19 Egyptian years of 365 days into 129 parts:
Sun - 1021.43410853
Moon - 1343.99224806
Saturn - 1612.79069768
Jupiter - 645.11627907
Mars - 806.395348838
Venus - 430.07751938
Mercury - 1075.19379845
So he married in the chronocratorship of Venus and had twins born in the chronocratorship of Mercury, a remarkable coincidence that the beneficial Jupiter square Moon (12 + 25) is also activated at the time.
Mercury no doubt is significant of the intelligence of his children as well - two being distinguished scientists. The stars and images that are the same and indicative of the native, brothers and children are related to heredity or the environment.
Hellenistic lots:
Lot of Siblings - Saturn to Jupiter by day, Jupiter to Saturn by night
Lot of Children - Jupiter to Saturn by day, Saturn to Jupiter by night
Valens also has separate ones for sons and daughters, the latter by day is the same as mine I believe, as is the lot of marriage, but by night.
Some astrologers use V for children (Ptolemy and Valens also mention IV and XI by derivatives) and III for siblings (usually along with I).
I encourage everyone to compare those houses and lots in the two zodiacs and decide for himself what works best. I personally can't take seriously using 4 houses.
The first sentence is mentioned by Ptolemy, Valens and Petosiris (cited in Valens), although Ptolemy says evening star Mercury takes away children as well (which I believe influenced the latter medieval approach that saw Gemini as barren because of Mercury). For the fertile and barren, I made a compromise between various authors. Double-bodied signifying half-brothers is from Rhetorius. Saturn signification is according to variety of authors. Example of one adopted son - https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/c...de_aspects=1&redraw_button=Redraw#tabs_redraw
*I use the following division of natal theory and I usually delineate the chart in the following order (I do 1. for myself in order to be careful with predictions).
1. Length of Life (including vitality and distinction, without it, any prediction is impossible)
2. Appearance (physical appearance/personality, which is important for knowing whether the ascendant is correct)
3. Household (the lineage included, events before birth, but also important along lifetime as well - livelihood and property)
4. Parents (events before birth have effect on how you delineate the chart in the end)
5. Brothers (events around birth, examine the I and II for childhood in general)
6. Action (education and occupation)
7. Affairs (after birth, and many times they come as result of occupation, or they do not as we see in some cases)
8. Children (after affairs)
9. Friendship (important, but not as the previous)
10. Travel (noticeable topic)
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