Which house would rule the idea of God?

PurpleReign

PurpleReign

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Hi,

I know the idea of "God" can vary greatly from religion to religion, culture to culture, and even person to person, so to be specific I am referring to the idea of "God" in the sense that the three Abrahamic religions understand God to be (a single God who created the world and the universe and is the all-knowing, omnipotent, etc.). My guess is that it would be ruled by the 9th house as it rules religion, but I can also see it as being the 12th house because the 12th rules all things hidden from us and spirituality. Is there a definitive answer to this?

PR
 
Cap

Cap

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The idea of God, together with the concept of religion, is the 9th house. However, I would assign spiritual realization, whether one of the eastern traditions as well as mystical experiences in Christian, Sufi or Kabbalah traditions to the 12th house as it requires the dissolution of the mind and ego (self-undoing). Everything in the realm of the mind and duality is 9th house (that includes various astral experiences as well as polytheistic worship of beings/concepts from the higher realms), everything beyond the mind and duality is 12th house IMO.
 
PurpleReign

PurpleReign

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Cap said:
The idea of God, together with the concept of religion, is the 9th house. However, I would assign spiritual realization, whether one of the eastern traditions as well as mystical experiences in Christian, Sufi or Kabbalah traditions to the 12th house as it requires the dissolution of the mind and ego (self-undoing). Everything in the realm of the mind and duality is 9th house (that includes various astral experiences as well as polytheistic worship of beings/concepts from the higher realms), everything beyond the mind and duality is 12th house IMO.
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Thank you for your response and explanation. Let me see if I understand correctly. So for instance, one's belief and understanding/perception of God along with the concept and views on religion are 9th house matters because it is in the individual's own mind and a part of their belief system and understanding. It is just their own take on it all. The 12th house would be one step beyond that persons understanding and perception and would be the more "literal" stuff (God himself and perhaps the individual's connection with God, having an "actual" out of body experience and not just merely believing or not believing in them, etc.)? For instance, belief in the past life is the 9th house, but if you're trying to ask a horary about your past life (or are looking at your natal for clues) you'd look to the 12th?
 
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Cap

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PurpleReign said:
Thank you for your response and explanation. Let me see if I understand correctly. So for instance, one's belief and understanding/perception of God along with the concept and views on religion are 9th house matters because it is in the individual's own mind and a part of their belief system and understanding. It is just their own take on it all. The 12th house would be one step beyond that persons understanding and perception and would be the more "literal" stuff (God himself and perhaps the individual's connection with God, having an "actual" out of body experience and not just merely believing or not believing in them, etc.)? For instance, belief in the past life is the 9th house, but if you're trying to ask a horary about your past life (or are looking at your natal for clues) you'd look to the 12th?
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When there is a belief, whether monotheistic or polytheistic, that's still in the realm of the mind and duality (9th house). In the 12th house, there is no duality, there is no you and God (or whatever you want to call it) as separate entities, there is just oneness, advait (not two).

Astral experiences are the 9th house, journeys of (and in) the mind. "Out of body" is an unfortunate misleading term, because consciousness is not in the body (that's false materialistic understanding) in the first place. "Out of body" experience is just change in the focus of attention, still in the realm of the mind. Every night when you go to sleep you are visiting the astral plane in your dreams (9th house).

12th house rules the past. In a question about the past life as well as in all questions about the past, look at past (separating) aspects, not future (applying) aspects.
 
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katydid

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PurpleReign said:
Thank you for your response and explanation. Let me see if I understand correctly. So for instance, one's belief and understanding/perception of God along with the concept and views on religion are 9th house matters because it is in the individual's own mind and a part of their belief system and understanding. It is just their own take on it all. The 12th house would be one step beyond that persons understanding and perception and would be the more "literal" stuff (God himself and perhaps the individual's connection with God, having an "actual" out of body experience and not just merely believing or not believing in them, etc.)? For instance, belief in the past life is the 9th house, but if you're trying to ask a horary about your past life (or are looking at your natal for clues) you'd look to the 12th?
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If you are looking at your natal for past life clues, there are two interesting techniques I learned at an Astrology Convention, years ago.

We did them in the workshop and everyone was amazed with how it turned out for them.

One way is to draw up an equal house chart, using your 12th house cusp as your ascendant. Then put your natal planets inside the equal house planets, with 12th as ascendant.

And read that chart as a basic description of one's life.

Another method is to do the same thing, but with the degree of your South Node as the Ascendant.

I found correlations with my South Node chart and 'memories' I had uncovered during a past life regression. So that was fascinating to me.
 
PurpleReign

PurpleReign

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katydid said:
If you are looking at your natal for past life clues, there are two interesting techniques I learned at an Astrology Convention, years ago.

We did them in the workshop and everyone was amazed with how it turned out for them.

One way is to draw up an equal house chart, using your 12th house cusp as your ascendant. Then put your natal planets inside the equal house planets, with 12th as ascendant.

And read that chart as a basic description of one's life.

Another method is to do the same thing, but with the degree of your South Node as the Ascendant.

I found correlations with my South Node chart and 'memories' I had uncovered during a past life regression. So that was fascinating to me.
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Oh, wow, thank you for sharing that! That' sounds fascinating, I'm going to do it now :biggrin:
 
PurpleReign

PurpleReign

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katydid said:
If you are looking at your natal for past life clues, there are two interesting techniques I learned at an Astrology Convention, years ago.

We did them in the workshop and everyone was amazed with how it turned out for them.

One way is to draw up an equal house chart, using your 12th house cusp as your ascendant. Then put your natal planets inside the equal house planets, with 12th as ascendant.

And read that chart as a basic description of one's life.

Another method is to do the same thing, but with the degree of your South Node as the Ascendant.

I found correlations with my South Node chart and 'memories' I had uncovered during a past life regression. So that was fascinating to me.
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Oh, but how do you put your natal planets on the inside (on astro.com)? I can change it to equal house system but I'm not sure on how to put the natal planets inside the equal house planets?
 
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katydid

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PurpleReign said:
Oh, but how do you put your natal planets on the inside (on astro.com)? I can change it to equal house system but I'm not sure on how to put the natal planets inside the equal house planets?
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Right. I am old school ---so I draw up my charts. I do use the computer to look at them or print them up now.

But during the workshop mentioned above, we all used pencils and paper. :surprised:

It is amazing how much can 'come to you' when you draw up the chart yourself. Actually placing the glyphs into each house, drawing in the aspects, is very revealing. It's like a meditation. :ninja:
 
PurpleReign

PurpleReign

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katydid said:
Right. I am old school ---so I draw up my charts. I do use the computer to look at them or print them up now.

But during the workshop mentioned above, we all used pencils and paper. :surprised:

It is amazing how much can 'come to you' when you draw up the chart yourself. Actually placing the glyphs into each house, drawing in the aspects, is very revealing. It's like a meditation. :ninja:
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Wow, I really respect that! That's a little too advanced for me, as I wouldn't know where to begin, but perhaps there are some YouTube tutorials on how to do that. It sounds fun, and thanks again for your help and suggestion :)
 
JUPITERASC

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PurpleReign said:
Wow, I really respect that!
That's a little too advanced for me,
as I wouldn't know where to begin,
but perhaps there are some YouTube tutorials on how to do that.


It sounds fun,

and thanks again for your help and suggestion :)
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You're in luck! CALCULATING A NATAL CHART BY HAND
EXAMPLE FROM KEN WARD'S ASTROLOGY PAGES :smile:

at http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_development/astrology/Calculations/calcGMT.htm

Astrology: Calculating the Chart - UT or GMT.
 '….While few people are actually going to work out astrological charts by hand
using paper, pencil,
it is important to know how to do it
because unless an astrologer spends a great deal of time doing charts by hand,
they will never fully understand astrology.
By doing charts by hand,
one begins to understand more about the movement of the planets
and how they combine to affect the lives of people on Earth.
Astrology is a sacred science
and by doing the mundane routine things,
our minds enter a meditative state
wherein we realise things we might not have been able to know
or understand otherwise

The tools you require to make a horoscope
in addition to writing and drawing tools
are an atlas
and
an ephemeris = a book or booklet with information on location of planets et al
you require date and time and place of birth.
The place of birth is expressed in longitude and latitude.
 Universal Time, or Greenwich Mean Time, is required
to calculate the locations planets.

FOR THOSE WHO PREFER TO USE A TABLE OF HOUSES

CALCULATING A NATAL CHART BY HAND
INSTRUCTIONS
HOW TO SET A NATAL CHART

Two resources that one must have available to set a chart are:

1. Table of Houses
2. Ephemeris of the year of birth.


Many examples are found in tables of houses and some ephemerides.
NB
Hand and/or computer calculating
does not always yield exactly to the minute and second
the same results as from astrological software
In fact
not all astrological software yields exactly to the minute-second the same results
as another astrological software,


EPHEMERIS for 21st Century as well as 19th Century available amazon
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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katydid said:
If you are looking at your natal for past life clues, there are two interesting techniques I learned at an Astrology Convention, years ago.

We did them in the workshop and everyone was amazed with how it turned out for them.

One way is to draw up an equal house chart, using your 12th house cusp as your ascendant. Then put your natal planets inside the equal house planets, with 12th as ascendant.

And read that chart as a basic description of one's life.

Another method is to do the same thing, but with the degree of your South Node as the Ascendant.

I found correlations with my South Node chart and 'memories' I had uncovered during a past life regression. So that was fascinating to me.
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PurpleReign said:
Oh, wow, thank you for sharing that! That' sounds fascinating, I'm going to do it now :biggrin:
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dr. farr has a thread A Technique for Erecting a Past Life Astrological Chart :smile:
at https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24455

dr. farr said:
(Following is presented as a general information item only)

According to a certain esoteric tradition (which accepts the concepts of karma and reincarnation to the "earth plane") the following technique can be applied to astrologically delineate the factors of the most recent previous incarnation.

+obtain the current natal chart
+put this natal chart into an Equal House (or-my addition-into a Whole Sign) chart format
+the object is to convert this current natal chart into the Past Life Chart (PLC)

Method

a) find the cusp(sensitive point in whole sign: instructions how to do that are at https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=311413&postcount=59

abbreviated sp) of the 12th house in the natal chart.

b) find the degree of the Dragon's Tail (DT; aka South Node) in the natal chart

c) add the longitudinal degrees of the natal 12th house to the longitudinal degrees of the DT: enter the result as the cusp/sp of the 1st house in the PLC
(explanation: sounds more difficult than it is: really only simple arithmetic; the zodiac wheel is reduced to 360 degrees, and handled similar to finding Arabic Parts: you take the number associated with the degree of the 12th natal house and add it to the number associated with the degree of the DT; zodiacal degree numbers may be determined from the following little table:
Aries = 0
Taurus = 30
Gemini = 60
Cancer = 90
Leo = 120
Virgo = 150
Libra = 180
Scorpio = 210
Sagittarius = 240
Capricorn = 270
Aquarius = 300
Pisces = 330

Thus, for example, 10 degrees Aries = 10; 20 degrees Capricorn = 290;
29 degrees Pisces = 359, etc etc

If the added together numbers of the natal 12th house and the natal DT exceed 360, then subtract the 360 degree circle of the zodiac from the sum and this will give you your answer:
For example:
natal 12th = 15 degrees Libra
natal DT = 29 degrees Pisces
Your total in this case would be 554 (thus exceeds 360 degree limit of the zodiac); so, subtract the circle of the zodiac-360-from this number, which leaves 194. Looking 194 up in the above table, we find this number corresponds with 14 degrees Libra: this would be entered into the PLC as the cusp/sp of the 1st PLC house)

d) once the cusp/sp of the 1st PLC house has been entered, carry that degree around for each of the other PLC houses:
Example:
PLC cusp/sp of 1st house = 14 Libra
so, cusp/sp of 2nd PLC house = 14 Scorpio; of 3rd PLC house = 14 Sagittarius; of 4th PLC house = 14 Capricorn; and so on, around the chart
(thus the final 12th PLC house cusp/sp would = 14 Virgo in this example)

e) now fill in the PLC signs/houses with planets converted from the natal chart:
+start with the Sun: find Sun's place in the natal chart, then subtract 30 degrees from it: this is the Sun's place in the PLC:
Example: natal Sun = 10 degrees Taurus; subtract 30 degrees from this, which = 10 degrees Aries: enter Sun 10Aries in the PLC
+ do the same with natal Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (the outer planets or other natal chart elements are not included in this method)
+EXCEPTION to the above: in the case of any natal planet in retrograde, ADD 30 degrees to its natal position to convert it into the PLC:
Example: natal Jupiter is at 18 degrees Cancer-retrograde; add 30 degrees to Jupiter for the PLC; thus Jupiter's position in the PLC = 18 degrees Leo
+in the case of retrograde natal planets, they are also marked as retrograde in the PLC
+regarding the natal nodes, always ADD 30 degrees to both the natal nodal axis (that is advance the North Node 30 degrees to form the plc nodal axis, which means the SN would of course fall back by 1 sign in the plc)

You now have your completed Past Life Chart.

This esoteric tradition emphasizes including stars posited with 2 degrees of any PLC angle or planet or node, in the Past Life analysis. This tradition also believe that the PLC 12th house-and anything in it-describes the situation/condition of the incarnating ego during the period between physical incarnations (that is, the "other world" state of the individual prior to their current physical incarnation)

An interesting technique for those who might want to experiment with it.
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