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FERAL aka WILD
= when a planet is alone in a sign
without any companions
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is out of orb of all aspect with any other planet.
So I am a Wild Gemini, not a lost one. Gemini energy gone haywire.


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So I am a Wild Gemini, not a lost one.

Gemini energy gone haywire.
The natal chart as a whole requires consideration
and there are as ever, multifarious opinions on FERALITY

HOWEVER
assuming natal Sun IS Feral
then house location IS important
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Hi,

I hope the purpose of this thread is to open a discussion and not assert what one thinks to be true.

From my over a decade of practising Astrology seriously and two decades of studying it (to date), I can share that placements of planets in signs is extremely important. A sign gives a planet either strength (through dignity or exaltation) or negates that (through detriment or fall). The stronger the placement of planet in a sign, the more beneficial that planet is for the native. Where does such planet show its benefit - in the matters of the house it rules, firstly and then also where it is placed. For instance, my Venus is exalted and rules my 10th house - my career has been a feather in my cap position wise and through always being employed. My Mars is exalted, too and rules my parental/family house and also my 9th house. I did quite a bit of my higher education based on scholarships of merit as well as am very well-travelled. Touch wood (yes, I am somewhat superstitious). My Moon is in its detriment and rules my 12th house and I have often suffered from insomnia, waking up many times in the middle of the night, and have had my fair share of people working against me undercover - mostly women (Moon after all).

What strong planets (through their sign placements) also help in is mitigating the negative effects of poorly placed planets. So, if a strong Venus is conjunct or sextile a fallen Mars, it will 'lift' that Mars somewhat.

House placements of planets is also very important. For instance, that same strong Venus, if placed in the 10th house, will energise the matters of that house through its positive energies, so in a beneficial way. Let us say the 10th house is in Taurus and so is that Venus in Taurus and in the 10th house - that could mean a strong career, which is also lucrative. If Mars is in the 10th house in Taurus, then that Mars is in its detriment and can actually hinder or delays (due to obstacles) the success that could have come in the matters of the 10th house, due to its conj. to Venus. So, that conjunction plays out in the 10th house again underlining the importance of the placement of the 10th house.

Anybody on AW, in particular reading this thread, I would strongly urge you to not leave out any of the three things: sign placement, house placement of planets and aspects between them.

I do very much agree though that aspects between two generational planets (Ura, Nep, Plu) are almost useless in a natal chart study.
Mehhh... I donít think what youíre saying is all that accurate.
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Hi,

I hope the purpose of this thread is to open a discussion and not assert what one thinks to be true.

From my over a decade of practising Astrology seriously and two decades of studying it (to date), I can share that placements of planets in signs is extremely important. A sign gives a planet either strength (through dignity or exaltation) or negates that (through detriment or fall). The stronger the placement of planet in a sign, the more beneficial that planet is for the native. Where does such planet show its benefit - in the matters of the house it rules, firstly and then also where it is placed. For instance, my Venus is exalted and rules my 10th house - my career has been a feather in my cap position wise and through always being employed. My Mars is exalted, too and rules my parental/family house and also my 9th house. I did quite a bit of my higher education based on scholarships of merit as well as am very well-travelled. Touch wood (yes, I am somewhat superstitious). My Moon is in its detriment and rules my 12th house and I have often suffered from insomnia, waking up many times in the middle of the night, and have had my fair share of people working against me undercover - mostly women (Moon after all).

What strong planets (through their sign placements) also help in is mitigating the negative effects of poorly placed planets. So, if a strong Venus is conjunct or sextile a fallen Mars, it will 'lift' that Mars somewhat.

House placements of planets is also very important. For instance, that same strong Venus, if placed in the 10th house, will energise the matters of that house through its positive energies, so in a beneficial way. Let us say the 10th house is in Taurus and so is that Venus in Taurus and in the 10th house - that could mean a strong career, which is also lucrative. If Mars is in the 10th house in Taurus, then that Mars is in its detriment and can actually hinder or delays (due to obstacles) the success that could have come in the matters of the 10th house, due to its conj. to Venus. So, that conjunction plays out in the 10th house again underlining the importance of the placement of the 10th house.

Anybody on AW, in particular reading this thread, I would strongly urge you to not leave out any of the three things: sign placement, house placement of planets and aspects between them.

I do very much agree though that aspects between two generational planets (Ura, Nep, Plu) are almost useless in a natal chart study.
Well wait wait, I change my mind. I see what you’re saying and there’s truth to it. I’m just saying that planet aspects are just the most important.

Lady Gaga has mercury in Pisces in the 10th, but she also have Jupiter in Pisces in the 10th.

Her career is really good but wouldn’t the Mercury in Pisces hinder that???

The whole detriment and exalted thing is an ancient idea anyway. I don’t think modern people really pay much attention to it.

I don’t know how your moon in detriment gives you insomnia. That makes no sense to me.
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Mehhh... I don’t think what you’re saying is all that accurate.
I did not just contradict you for the heck of it without providing astrological examples and thereby supporting what I believe to be true, or, in other words, prove your statement to be incorrect.

Are you in a position to support your own statement and provide astrological examples to prove me incorrect? Do so if you can!!
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I did not just contradict you for the heck of it without providing astrological examples and thereby supporting what I believe to be true, or, in other words, prove your statement to be incorrect.

Are you in a position to support your own statement and provide astrological examples to prove me incorrect? Do so if you can!!
Iíve provided an example earlier when I talked about Jordan Peterson, Ayn Rand, and Peter Schiff. All of them of have Mercury-Jupiter aspects which makes sense.

Your examples are pretty lame if you ask me.

Detriment moon gives insomnia and women enemies. Nonsense.
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Iíve provided an example earlier when I talked about Jordan Peterson, Ayn Rand, and Peter Schiff. All of them of have Mercury-Jupiter aspects which makes sense.

Your examples are pretty lame if you ask me.

Detriment moon gives insomnia and women enemies. Nonsense.
No need to get cheeky and use adjectives on what others share on your thread. Otherwise, they will stop visiting your thread, if that is what you intend when you start threads.

My examples are connected to my own life - so I can vouch for them 100% . I can also vouch for my own time of birth given to me by my parents and the birth certificate from the hospital I was born in. However, I cannot vouch for any of the aspects or even the chart and planetary placements in Ayn's or Jordan's charts. So, if anything, the latter could be far less true. Where are you getting Ayn's chart from - astro.com - which gives it a 'C' rating? Is that why you don't like house placements of planets?
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Well wait wait, I change my mind. I see what youíre saying and thereís truth to it. Iím just saying that planet aspects are just the most important.

Lady Gaga has mercury in Pisces in the 10th, but she also have Jupiter in Pisces in the 10th.

Her career is really good but wouldnít the Mercury in Pisces hinder that???

The whole detriment and exalted thing is an ancient idea anyway. I donít think modern people really pay much attention to it.

I donít know how your moon in detriment gives you insomnia. That makes no sense to me.
Thank you for it. I am just seeing this post. Why not take on of the charts and attach it here - one with an A rating.
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I thought we already agreed everyone has their own methodology and astrology is so nuanced and layered one can't assert one single methodology or position as "correct" across the board.

Then you have to add the factor of personal bias according to the astrologer's own chart, their specific mental processing and reasoning patterns.

A Virgoan will have one approach and respond to data oriented approaches much better, wheres a Cancerian influenced astrologer will be much more intuitive, perhaps absorbing impressions and energies before coming to a conclusion.

The point is to learn and test various methods, and find the one you respond to best. And be open minded to new discoveries.

For example, back to Tyl again. He places a huge weight to the Sun/Moon blend in astrological interpretations. Asking all his students to memorize 144 different Sun/Moon combinations by sign.

At first I thought this approach was insane, wholly unnecessary and against all the rules of modern astrology. After using his approach, thinking about how the energy of the Sun/Moon works together in a person's life, and the underlying rationale, then testing it, I have to agree it has a lot of situational validity.

It's still not the first tool in my toolbox I jump to though, as I am just more comfortable with other methods (other tools) of chart delineation first. But it has strong reason and validity and whomever using it will never be wrong.

Still think ALeo's proposed method should be translated into a game, we can draw from it newer insights seeing it in action, plus its fun, than arguing on theory. Right / wrong isn't very productive if we are all coming from different mental processing patterns that responds to different things, with different levels of astrological experience testing conceptual methods.

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...Detriment moon gives insomnia and women enemies. Nonsense.
How about reading the full sentence and not picking out just part of it. Now try to go back to my post and read the full sentence. Then you might actually understand where the insomnia and women enemies part come from.

Only full knowledge (for instance considering not just aspects, but also house and sign placements) and patience (reading complete sentences) getsone full results.
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The reason why people believe aspects are more important than signs is in many ways because they in longitude are the same throughout all of the three charts that together make up the individual on all spiritual levels, which is the tropical, sidereal and draconic chart.

Why the houses in general are considered less important is because most astrologers still are ignoring the crystallization moment of the soul into the body which is the point that represents the true astrological set up, not the first breath. Thus many people have incorrect ascendants and house positions to begin with and therefore cant make sense of their astrological houses.


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I did not just contradict you for the heck of it
without providing astrological examples
and thereby supporting what I believe to be true,
or, in other words, prove your statement to be incorrect.
Are you in a position to support your own statement

and provide astrological examples to prove me incorrect?
Do so if you can!!
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I’ve provided an example earlier
when I talked about Jordan Peterson, Ayn Rand, and Peter Schiff.
All of them of have Mercury-Jupiter aspects which makes sense.
You appear unaware that one Mercury orbit of Sun = 88 days
and that
Mercury aspects are common
including Mercury-Jupiter aspects
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Your examples are pretty lame if you ask me.
your choice of phrase describes your own examples well
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Detriment moon gives insomnia and women enemies. Nonsense.
no reason given for your opinion on detriment moon
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How about reading the full sentence
and not picking out just part of it.
Now try to go back to my post and read the full sentence.
Then you might actually understand

where the insomnia and women enemies part come from.
Only full knowledge

(for instance considering not just aspects, but also house and sign placements)
and patience

(reading complete sentences)

gets one full results.
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Like three people that I really admire:
Jordan Peterson, Ayn Rand, and Peter Schiff
ALL have Jupiter-Mercury aspects to tight degrees.
of the seven billion people
currently inhabiting our fair planet Earth
"most have Jupiter-Mercury aspects to tight degrees"
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Rand has her mercury in Capricorn, Schiff in Pisces, and Peterson his in Gemini.
I don't understand how their mercury in the signs really help.
I can see them giving a kind of flavor, but even then
it still doesn't work for me.
Peter Schiff is an economist, not something that would make sense
for a mercury in pisces person.
But what all these people have in common that is very obvious
is
that they all have really strong opinions, very interesting thoughts, and
dominate conversations with ideas, which are all traits of the mercury-jupiter aspect.
using only Ptolemaic aspects
Mercury aspects Jupiter multiple times frequently
however
a modernist astrologer such as yourself using multiple additional aspects
can find a Mercury-Jupiter aspect daily
clearly
house and sign are important
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No need to get cheeky and use adjectives on what others share on your thread. Otherwise, they will stop visiting your thread, if that is what you intend when you start threads.
Well sorry it doesn't make any sense to me. I doubt anyone else who has a detriment moon in 12th house is going to have insomnia and women enemies.

But I know that anyone who has mercury-jupiter aspects are going to be similar to Jordan Peterson, Peter Schiff or Ayn Rand in the sense that they have a lot to say, have a strong opinion, and almost philosophical mind.

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My examples are connected to my own life - so I can vouch for them 100% . I can also vouch for my own time of birth given to me by my parents and the birth certificate from the hospital I was born in. However, I cannot vouch for any of the aspects or even the chart and planetary placements in Ayn's or Jordan's charts. So, if anything, the latter could be far less true. Where are you getting Ayn's chart from - astro.com - which gives it a 'C' rating? Is that why you don't like house placements of planets?
I can vouch for my own life too and I have my birth certificate as well and have found zodiac signs and houses to not nearly be as accurate as planet aspects.

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Thank you for it. I am just seeing this post. Why not take on of the charts and attach it here - one with an A rating.
K fine.

Ayn Rand: https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Ayn_Rand
Jordan Peterson: https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Jordan_Peterson
Peter Schiff: https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Peter_Schiff

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How about reading the full sentence and not picking out just part of it. Now try to go back to my post and read the full sentence. Then you might actually understand where the insomnia and women enemies part come from.
I think insomnia and women enemies is nothing that can be explained astrologically. I've never heard such a thing before until today.

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Only full knowledge (for instance considering not just aspects, but also house and sign placements) and patience (reading complete sentences) getsone full results.
I don't for full results if the signs and houses are already unreliable.
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The reason why people believe aspects are more important than signs is in many ways because they in longitude are the same throughout all of the three charts that together make up the individual on all spiritual levels, which is the tropical, sidereal and draconic chart.

Why the houses in general are considered less important is because most astrologers still are ignoring the crystallization moment of the soul into the body which is the point that represents the true astrological set up, not the first breath. Thus many people have incorrect ascendants and house positions to begin with and therefore cant make sense of their astrological houses.


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How do astrologers not ignore the crystallization moment? I don't know what you're talking about.

Your opinions and views are so mystical.
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But I know that anyone who has mercury-jupiter aspects
are going to be similar to Jordan Peterson, Peter Schiff or Ayn Rand
in the sense that they have a lot to say, have a strong opinion, and
almost philosophical mind.
given that one Mercury orbit of Sun = 88 days
then your analysis
applies to most of the population of planet earth
excellent example that generalisation is fun but unreliable
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Why the houses in general are considered less important is because most astrologers still are ignoring the crystallization moment of the soul into the body which is the point that represents the true astrological set up, not the first breath. Thus many people have incorrect ascendants and house positions to begin with and therefore cant make sense of their astrological houses.
This is extremely interesting. How would you find or calculate the exact, or close to exact moment the soul "crystallizes" into the body?
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How do astrologers not ignore the crystallization moment? I don't know what you're talking about.

Your opinions and views are so mystical.
I LOLed at this.

App, is your Mercury in an earth sign?
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The reason why people believe aspects are more important than signs is in many ways because they in longitude are the same throughout all of the three charts that together make up the individual on all spiritual levels, which is the tropical, sidereal and draconic chart.

Why the houses in general are considered less important is because most astrologers still are ignoring the crystallization moment of the soul into the body which is the point that represents the true astrological set up, not the first breath. Thus many people have incorrect ascendants and house positions to begin with and therefore cant make sense of their astrological houses.


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Whilst I understand the reasoning you provide and in part also agree with the contention between the considering the first breath vs. the moment the soul enters the body, how does one decide when the latter happens? I have done little research on the latter, so if you have any sources (books or websites) you can share, would be nice.

Not only the above, but also the fact that people use different house systems, moves the planets to different houses. However, the sign placements regardless remain the same and are very important.
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I thought we already agreed everyone has their own methodology and astrology is so nuanced and layered one can't assert one single methodology or position as "correct" across the board.

Then you have to add the factor of personal bias according to the astrologer's own chart, their specific mental processing and reasoning patterns.

A Virgoan will have one approach and respond to data oriented approaches much better, wheres a Cancerian influenced astrologer will be much more intuitive, perhaps absorbing impressions and energies before coming to a conclusion.
I think there's a more objective approach that works for all signs' personal approaches and that's planet aspects.

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For example, back to Tyl again. He places a huge weight to the Sun/Moon blend in astrological interpretations. Asking all his students to memorize 144 different Sun/Moon combinations by sign.

At first I thought this approach was insane, wholly unnecessary and against all the rules of modern astrology. After using his approach, thinking about how the energy of the Sun/Moon works together in a person's life, and the underlying rationale, then testing it, I have to agree it has a lot of situational validity.

It's still not the first tool in my toolbox I jump to though, as I am just more comfortable with other methods (other tools) of chart delineation first. But it has strong reason and validity and whomever using it will never be wrong.
I think the zodiac signs are wishy washy, as I've said before. Vattius Vatenis or whatever his name his has a very different interpretation of Leo then say, a modern astrologer like Linda Goodman. Like I don't know what do think when someone has their Sun in Leo anymore.

And then I thought, well forget assigning characteristics to people based on planets in the signs. Maybe planets in the signs are important for dignities.. but I've always found dignities to not make any sense at all. Like lady gaga's mercury in pisces in the 10th house... I've found people with mercury in pisces to actually be geniuses and not mentally messed up in any way as the original description would say.

And on top of it all, astrologers don't even agree on which zodiac wheel to use, the tropical or sidereal... Cuz technically the sky has been broken up into 12 signs. Why not two signs? Or 24 signs? Or 360 signs for each degree? And then it makes you wonder how someone who is a 29 degree leo is very different from someone who has their sun 0 degrees virgo? Is the zodiac in shades or is it blocky. I swear it's in shades. But if it's in shades, then we need to really need to break up the leo sign into 3 signs of its own. Compare later leos to earlier leos...

But as I've said, the astrologer I really like David Cochrane said that zodiac signs really don't tell you anything about someone's personality.. All it does is give people a kind of lens...

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Still think ALeo's proposed method should be translated into a game, we can draw from it newer insights seeing it in action, plus its fun, than arguing on theory. Right / wrong isn't very productive if we are all coming from different mental processing patterns that responds to different things, with different levels of astrological experience testing conceptual methods.
I created the thread for the game. I don't know why you haven't posted on it yet.
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The natal chart as a whole requires consideration
and there are as ever, multifarious opinions on FERALITY

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assuming natal Sun IS Feral
then house location IS important
I think this all just means I am more special than an Leo.






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I LOLed at this.

App, is your Mercury in an earth sign?
No it's 27 degrees Leo.
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Well sorry it doesn't make any sense to me. I doubt anyone else who has a detriment moon in 12th house is going to have insomnia and women enemies.
Again, it immensely helps to practise reading the complete sentence, then understanding it completely and only then, only then getting down to responding to it. When did I ever say my Moon was in the 12th house? Please point that out. Obviously if the information that registers with one is incorrect, how can the interpretation there of be correct? I again refer back to my post.

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And, that is excellent if you can vouch for your own life too. As to zodiac signs not being accurate - so are you saying that for you Venus in Virgo vs. Venus in Libra, or Venus in Taurus vs. Venus in Scorpio are same, or at least nearly the same? In the sense, they are equally strong or weak, so sign placement of the planets don't matter at all?

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I can understand the planetary placements in houses being unreliable due to incorrect time of birth, or contentious depending on the house system the astrologer prefers to use, but how can signs be unreliable unless one is even unsure of the date, worse still month of birth?
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I think the zodiac signs are wishy washy, as I've said before. Vattius Vatenis or whatever his name his has a very different interpretation of Leo then say, a modern astrologer like Linda Goodman. Like I don't know what do think when someone has their Sun in Leo anymore.

And then I thought, well forget assigning characteristics to people based on planets in the signs. Maybe planets in the signs are important for dignities.. but I've always found dignities to not make any sense at all. Like lady gaga's mercury in pisces in the 10th house... I've found people with mercury in pisces to actually be geniuses and not mentally messed up in any way as the original description would say.

And on top of it all, astrologers don't even agree on which zodiac wheel to use, the tropical or sidereal... Cuz technically the sky has been broken up into 12 signs. Why not two signs? Or 24 signs? Or 360 signs for each degree? And then it makes you wonder how someone who is a 29 degree leo is very different from someone who has their sun 0 degrees virgo? Is the zodiac in shades or is it blocky. I swear it's in shades. But if it's in shades, then we need to really need to break up the leo sign into 3 signs of its own. Compare later leos to earlier leos...

But as I've said, the astrologer I really like David Cochrane said that zodiac signs really don't tell you anything about someone's personality.. All it does is give people a kind of lens...
This is all really interesting. Now that you've explained the process and mechanism that led to your conclusion / personal methodology. I'll look into David Cochrane.

Maybe I'll try not looking at signs or houses for X amount of days, and see what my brain picks up. Then I'll add all the colors back in, and see what the difference is in how my brain process things.
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No it's 27 degrees Leo.
That makes sense too. Since its fixed Mercury.

Its not combust your Sun is it?
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Again, it immensely helps to practise reading the complete sentence, then understanding it completely and only then, only then getting down to responding to it. When did I ever say my Moon was in the 12th house? Please point that out. Obviously if the information that registers with one is incorrect, how can the interpretation there of be correct? I again refer back to my post.
K well sorry for not reading fully through your entire post. I just felt like you were saying what I've heard so many other astrologers have said and I've kind of already made up my mind that I don't believe or understand that kind of astrological thinking.

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And, that is excellent if you can vouch for your own life too. As to zodiac signs not being accurate - so are you saying that for you Venus in Virgo vs. Venus in Libra, or Venus in Taurus vs. Venus in Scorpio are same, or at least nearly the same? In the sense, they are equally strong or weak, so sign placement of the planets don't matter at all?
They could be different, but I haven't had much evidence to help me see the differences. For aspects I have.

And, I would say that a Venus-Pluto person is going to be way more dark, sexual, and evil in love than say a Venus in the 8th house or Venus in Scorpio.

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I can understand the planetary placements in houses being unreliable due to incorrect time of birth, or contentious depending on the house system the astrologer prefers to use, but how can signs be unreliable unless one is even unsure of the date, worse still month of birth?
I think the signs are more likely to be unreliable than the actual dates. Especially houses. Houses are floogey. However, planets touching the house angles I have seen good enough evidence for.
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