I have a friend who has Venus in Aries square Neptune in Capricorn, and I've seen the same unreasonable standards, but what I see in her is unrealistic and immature expectations. Very 'mean girls' / 'high school' in her expectations. Does your friend also have Venus Square Neptune?
Hi ABM,
She does in fact, have Venus square Neptune. That probably explains more of the unrealistic standards she has. It is interesting to me that this precisely our point of contention- how we view relationships.
I have Venus square Saturn, but trine Neptune. She is ALSO a triple Leo, with Sun and Moon in the 12th. I am a Cancer with Capricorn Rising and a Capricorn Moon. My Sun is in the 7th house opposed Moon in the 1st. She never wants to compromise, and thinks I'm spineless and ingratiating with how I relate to others.
Oh well, it has gotten better, mostly because I've presented so many logic arguments as to why we should compromise! Hah
mod.
I also have Venus in Virgo...1st decan, like yourself, I think. I also have Venus in the first and it's my only earth planet. I don't know if that's the reason, but logic and personal/social ethics&aesthetics (my take on what venus means) are very important. I'm curious as to whether your arguments are sound, haha. Do you meet a lot of people with Venus in Virgo? Where do they hang out...I wish I had 1 friend with the same Venus as myself, I know a few with it in Capricorn, too many with Gemini...not many with virgo, though.
Does either of your moons oppose the other's mercury? I had an ex with an aquarius moon, opposite my cancer mercury and moon, and you could really tell, because whenever she disagreed with me, it was really on an emotional basis.
Very well said and remember that Venus and Saturn can be connected with your finances too. You may be very frugal which may be of benefit to you. There can be other mitigating influences that are easier but without a chart cant say too much.I always say, look at other aspects in your chart to boost you. This doesn't kill everything, and it doesn't confirm that you'll be a cold, loveless woman for the rest of your life. But if you expect that, and you don't reach out to others because you're too busy in defense of yourself, you won't get the love you desperately want. Remember, other people are struggling, too. Focus on comforting them.
Saturn is hard work. Expect it in the love area. Believe me. I have PLENTY of experience myself. Saturn rules me to the bone. You might wish you had those easy trines or sextiles, but they're no struggle. Struggle builds character, and character is fascinating.
Very well said and remember that Venus and Saturn can be connected with your finances too. You may be very frugal which may be of benefit to you. There can be other mitigating influences that are easier but without a chart cant say too much.
The danger of taking an aspect out of context is that it doesnt tell nearly the whole story.
hi I have just joined this site and have spent the evening avidly reading through many of the wonderful threads on the site. I wonder if I could reopen the discussion about Venus square Saturn. After many years of self analysis and healing I have returned to this placement with an awareness that it is at the crux of every problem I have. I am interested to hear how others with this placement have worked through it or transformed its action in their lives.
My Saturn is in Leo 2nd square Venus Scorpio end of 4th (I interpret as 5th).
ultimately my astrological map, my childhood and the life I have since created have held an ongoing theme of lonliness, sadness and that I am never going to be good enough or lovable. In relationships thisbrings out a needy, mistrustful, over defensive streak. There are positive aspects to my self and my life but this underlying theme has devastated my intimate relationships and interferes with my ability to consciously create the life I desire. Neptune is currently squaring my Venus and opposing my Saturn, activating the placement in my awareness but also confusing me. I know this issue is about self worth but I was raised within a family that was disfunctional, touch was near enough banned, i was a lonely only child, dad left one day and never heard from him again, i never felt loved and the message I got was 'do better'. The message i took from all this wss 'i'm not good enough'. If i have never perceived that i am truly loved (lovable) how can I ever truly know what it is to love myself? I thought I did love myself but my previous relationships have shown me that I'm still amillion miles of target. My esteem crashes in a relationship because i dont belive they love me. I compare myself to everyone around and feel inferior next to them, then i mistrust him thinking he is after every other woman. Its so unhealthy I know but there seems to be nothing I can do about it save taking my boyfriend to an island uninhabited by other women!!
This isn't a 'therapy' website but I would really appreciate hearing positive ways of coping with this extremly difficult aspect. How many of you are in loving healthy relationships? If you felt like this before, what did you do to improve your selfesteem? (PLs excuse any poor readability as I have typed this MSG on my phone and can't see what I'm writing!)
spacecadet
Inferiority complexes are common among Cancer types. That is your rising sign according to this chart, but to be certain of any Ascendant figure, I'd have to cast your chart myself. It is likely that you actually have Pluto squaring your Ascendant.
So let's address Venus square Saturn. What Venus and Saturn have in common are what we Value. Venus values from the heart (or gonads) and Saturn values from a place of practicality, material or earthly realities. In square aspect these two show a conflict of feeling and standards.
Part of the problem is that you will have to work to understand how to give and take without compromising yourself. Your sense of Love has a tendency to be too fixed, not flowing. You are relationship-oriented with those Libra planets and Sun and Venus in aspect, but you will have to work through things some would call karma related to these things.
Venus in Scorpio can mean you withhold affection unless you have possession of them. Saturn in Leo is often status-oriented, not respecting someone unless they meet certain criteria.
Understand this aspect is a strong, driving one. Many people who have this aspect are involved in relationships and marriage. Venus and Saturn create commitment, but don't expect it to be all roses and come easily in some happily-ever-after scenario.
The chart you show here, if reasonably correct, is the chart of an entertainer, someone who pursues her passion and who has an audience. If this does not in any way describe you, then we're looking at a chart that needs to be seriously adjusted.
The chart you show here, if reasonably correct, is the chart of an entertainer, someone who pursues her passion and who has an audience. If this does not in any way describe you, then we're looking at a chart that needs to be seriously adjusted.
No, it didn't come from a particular author. Its just the oppositions in the 5th-11th. Plus with 3 planets in Libra, a people-pleasing sign, its the easiest interpretation. However, if this is not her life focus (whether or not she's successful), then the chart would have to be adjusted accordingly.
Around me people sleep together, have adventures, get engaged, get married... but I get nothing. I just dont attract any potential partners and these I attract are not suitable
What if you have saturn in a positive aspect in your natal chart and there is a transit. Will this have a positive effect on your life? Like some stability or something?
I see. I asked because I thought it was amazing your interpretation fit both (possibly) spacecadet and Mod at the same time. Another question. Why would it need adjusting? Is her (spacecadet's) birthtime unknown?
Inferiority complexes are common among Cancer types. That is your rising sign according to this chart, but to be certain of any Ascendant figure, I'd have to cast your chart myself. It is likely that you actually have Pluto squaring your Ascendant.
So let's address Venus square Saturn. What Venus and Saturn have in common are what we Value. Venus values from the heart (or gonads) and Saturn values from a place of practicality, material or earthly realities. In square aspect these two show a conflict of feeling and standards.
Part of the problem is that you will have to work to understand how to give and take without compromising yourself. Your sense of Love has a tendency to be too fixed, not flowing. You are relationship-oriented with those Libra planets and Sun and Venus in aspect, but you will have to work through things some would call karma related to these things.
Venus in Scorpio can mean you withhold affection unless you have possession of them. Saturn in Leo is often status-oriented, not respecting someone unless they meet certain criteria.
Understand this aspect is a strong, driving one. Many people who have this aspect are involved in relationships and marriage. Venus and Saturn create commitment, but don't expect it to be all roses and come easily in some happily-ever-after scenario.
The chart you show here, if reasonably correct, is the chart of an entertainer, someone who pursues her passion and who has an audience. If this does not in any way describe you, then we're looking at a chart that needs to be seriously adjusted.
Thank you Kannon,
That's really interesting and insightful.
The last paragraph really hit a spot with me.
When I was a child I used to sing my thoughts and feelings, so people tell me. I would sing for old people on buses. All I ever wanted to do was sing. It was my way of expressing myself. In my youth I enjoyed performing (not sure how good I was) but singing was my real passion. This was never supported or encouraged in my family and over the years I let this die out in me. Anyway, there's a lot of detail chopped out to cut a long story short, but now - I dissolve in thin air if I have to speak in front of people. I was taking guitar lessons but I stopped because my teacher kept urging me to sing with him and I just couldn't. I am unlikely to be able to open my mouth to sing in front of a small group of people, even if you handed me £100 to do so. So perhaps I should have been an entertainer but I am far from being anything like that now. I left a party yesterday because they started playing games and I didn't want to be in the spotlight. Its interesting because I am baffled at how inhibited I have become, with something I love so much. I put this down to Saturn in Leo & lack of fire. All the planets at the bottom (better behind the scenes rather than in the limelight).
As for the inferiority complex - well, the phrase 'not good enough' underlies many of my beliefs/thoughts/feelings about myself.
Hey Vagabondgirl,
This is a really good question. What kind of transit are you referring to? Another positive one, or a negative one? Which situation are you referring to, like, if the person is in a relationship, single... so many variables!
mod.
Saturn in my natal chart is sextile my mars-venus-moon stellium in virgo, and now saturn is conjunct my natal moon and near venus....Meant mostly about love, but I broke up with my ex a month ago, and saturn was still at the spot.
Im not getting any wiser, gettng attention from other guys and dont know what I want anymore really...After many years in relationships you kind of feel empty when your finally single for the first time in a long while. BUT ex and I had contact recently, it didnt go well, he wants me back, I want friendships. There is another guy, but not serious. What to do?
I thought saturn would mean stability in my chart since it forms a postive aspect to venus and moon natally. My life hasnt been so instable in quite a long time as it is now! Ill post the whole thing here so you can see what Im wining about, haha