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Christ horoscope in Russian:


http://www.alina.ho.com.ua/christ.html
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We can see planetary "star of David" in his chart.
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I have a new book, isbn 978-960-316-425-8, of this year, 2007, called The code of the Star of Jesus.
This is an Astronomical book about the date of birth of jesus, very extensive and it concludes it must be 12th November 7BC 19:30 hrs, Thursday. (For some reason Artrodienst gives Saturday instead but the location of the planets are not bad...

Note the chart says -6, (it is not a mistake) for the year but the year is 7BC (this is due to the software for the year zero).

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The Star of Bethleham has been explained as a Meteor,a comet,and a Nova.It is only mentioned in Matthew. But it’s likely explanation is that it was the conjunction of Sa/Ju which happens eevery 20yrs..Late in the year 7B.C. it occurred 3 times in in 6mos. in the sign of Pisces which is the ruling sign of Israel.”House Of The Hebrews by ancient astrologers” to be more concise.

This triple conjunction occurs every 120yrs.

The Magi,who were astrologers from Mesopotamia undoubtedly noticed the conjunction in June 7B.C.,with some interest.Because it occurred in the constellation of Pisces they had to of wondered what impact it had on the Isralel nation having known of the biblical prophecy that “I shall behold him,but not nigh:there shall come a star out of Jacob,and a septre shall rise out of Israel” Num24:17.

When on Sept.27 the conjunction happened again,they may have made preparations to travel westward to Jerusalem, Israel. AT first they moved away from the conjunction eastward.For it had appeared in the eastern sky.This agrees with the statement to Herod that “We have seen his star in the east” Matt 2:1-2. As the seasons changed so did the alignment which could now be seen in the western sky.If the Magi had arrived in Jerusalem Dec.10 they would now have seen the conjunction in the western sky towards Bethleham.This movement may be linked to Matthew “and lo the star that they saw in the east went before them,till it came and stood over where the young the child was” Matt 2:9.

According to Matthew they knew what town to go to anyway as it was written in the old testament.Herod’s priest quoted the saying from Micah 3:2.

Shortly after the 3rd conjunction in December the planet Mars began moving closer to the Sa/Ju conjunction.By this time the planet had also started to move towards the western horizon and all of them except for Jupiter were obscured by the setting sunThis final conjunction might have been a sign to the Magi that they had reached their final destination.This accords what might have been implied in Lukes statement that the shepards were guarding their flocks by night.During the early spring the lambing season begins and the sheep are vulnerable to attacks by wild animals. .

I am of the opinion that the crucifixion can be almost ascertained by meteorological events of that time which might just give any speculation as to the birth of Christ validity. I think the day of his crucifixion there was an occultation of the sun and the sky was darkened at sunset which is when he gave up the ghost as it was written and there was research done which narrowed this occurrence down to a specific date and time. It is really a mind blowing thing that they were able to do that.So what is written to a certain extent can be proven.

In the end it is not important as to when he was born and what his chart was it is the message above all else which goes for any of the religions that one believes in.Those that are following the line of Al Queda(?) have missed the whole point of their religion and they are not going to get the Virgins that are being promised to them .Sadly they are not in a better place ,but a place reserved in darkness and pain IMO.One that is said to have insight to such matters recently spoke about that.I tend to believe them as any that plan the destruction of others in this world and do so for selfish reasons are not good. I am not a pacifist as I believe there is the right to defend yourself against eveil,but that is a story for another time and thread.

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well star of Bethleham was explained as SuperNova as well
http://epistle.us/articles/star.html

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well star of Bethleham was explained as SuperNova as well
http://epistle.us/articles/star.html

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I will read it again as it is a complicated thesis going back and forth of what might have occured.

It had to involved the sign of Pisces in any event as the ancients knew that Israel's ruling sign is Pisces so this Nova had to have occured with that sign involved for myself to believe there is a correlation.
There has been no evidence of Herod killing of infants either I read recently.
Anything is possible though.

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My ideas expressed on this thread in 2006 no longer reflects my current opinion.

I still feel that Jesus would have been born beneath the middle, and brightest of the conjunctions, but I feel that Andrew Bevan hit the nail on the head when he set the chart for the 'acronycal culmination' of Jupiter/Saturn, being exactly opposed the Virgo Sun on the IC.

The chart for this is listed on the other relevant thread.
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Hi Draco! Nice to hear from you again! I hope you feel good and we missed you for sure I did!
I also hope good old Englad is great!
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My ideas expressed on this thread in 2006 no longer reflects my current opinion.

I still feel that Jesus would have been born beneath the middle, and brightest of the conjunctions, but I feel that Andrew Bevan hit the nail on the head when he set the chart for the 'acronycal culmination' of Jupiter/Saturn, being exactly opposed the Virgo Sun on the IC.

The chart for this is listed on the other relevant thread.
"Saturn is Work,Worship for the God,
Jupiter gives happy living,
Saturn Jupiter both are best Work,
Saturn Judges,and Jupiter loves."
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I thought this was interesting, its about the theft of christmas, by the Roman Catholics. The have a different date for christs birth then any listed here.
Just came across this today.
I dont want to argue.
Just thought this was interesting.
here is the link.
http://www.viking-z.org/stephen03.htm
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Hi guys

I'm reactivating this thread because I just found out a reliable source, pointed out to me by a German astrologer.
The reference is in Jakob Lorber's book Great Gospel of John, book 19, chapter 34, paragraph 3:

Look, this Jesus of Nazareth, who according to your chronology is born in Bethlehem in the year 4151 after the existence of Adam, and more precisely at midnight on the 7th day of the month of January, is what concerns His external birth a Jew just like you.


You may know that Jakob Lorber was a 19th century mystic who wrote a lot of books by automatic dictation - he heared a Voice, God's voice. I'm most sure his books are true divine revelation, as the astrological proofs are too strong.

So, the reference says that Jesus was born on year 4151 after Adam, but what year was Adam born?
A quick search on the internet showed that of all theories on Adam's birth, only may be applied here - that is William Miller's - see this image below:



William Miller says Adam was born on year 4157 BC, which gives us year 6 BC for Jesus' birth.

Now, as for the exact time. What exactly could "midnight on the 7th day of the month of January" mean? Is it Jan 7, 12:00 am or Jan 7, 24:00 (European style), which is actually Jan 8, 12:00 am?

Of the two charts, I would definitely choose the second, which has the Moon in Virgo, 10th house ruler, conjunct with Pluto. The Moon represents Virgin Mary and it should be in Virgo.

[timezone choice - obviously LMT, Local Mean Time; calendar system choice: Gregorian, which was in use at the time Jakob Lorber wrote the book by Divine inspiration]

So here it is:



I think that this chart deserves the chance of an analysis. If this is really Jesus's chart we could really learn more about true Jesus from this chart!

For instance, that Jupiter-Saturn in Pisces and the 6th house tells about his willingness to serve the others, rather than to lead.

The Moon is in Virgo, therefore disposed by Mercury, which is conjunct with Fomalhaut, one of the 4 most powerful, royal fixed stars, in relation with 1 of the 4 archangels, Gabriel.
"Coincidently", the angel that announced Mary (the mother = the Moon) that she will have a divine child was archangel Gabriel (Mercury conjunct Fomalhaut).

And probably there are more such coincidences.

Please throw a glance at this chart and share your view!
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About real Jesus birth date I found an article (unfortunately not written on English) but very interesting. So very shortly some interesting points from this article (sorry for not good translation in advance):

The star that three wise guys have seen actually is planet configuration of Saturn and Jupiter (conjunction) in Gemini that has happened in –6 greg. that has been considered as transferring the power of the divine to other – or born of the avatar. Also Johan Kepler had speculated with birth date of Jesus, pointing to conjunction of Jupiter, Saturn and Mars on 25 of Feb. –6 greg.
First astrologer who has started to interpret the Gospel in a astrological way was Mark Penfild. A Jesuit has told him that correct translation of the holly books should have been that Jesus was born “of the Virgin” not “of a virgin”- meaning Virgin as a astrological sign (not a virgin as a concept). Further “born in nursery” could be “in 4 astrological sign” i.e. he was born between 10 and 12 PM. Being born “near the ox and donkey” is actually position of Moon or Asc. near the end of Taurus or beginning of Gemini.
So, Jesus must have been born at night, when conjunction between Jupiter and Saturn could have been seen. Horoscopes who are saying that he was born with Sun in Gemini are not good, because Sun would have been too near the constellation of Jup. and Sat. and they could not have been seen on the sky- in a day because of the light, at night because they would have been under the horizon. By calculations it is appearing that 2 Sept. –6 in 22 hour 25 min. LMT in Bethlehem is the right position of the stars for an avatar.

There are many coincidences: Jesus is known as son of a Virgin – which fits to his solar sign –Virgo. Why 2 of Sept.? Most interesting and deepest logic why he is connected with Virgo is position of his double ruler –Mercury. (Sign Virgo, Asc-Gemini) that is positioned on 26 Virgo. On the certain degree, in his time was Spika, the biggest star of Virgo. Even more on 2 Sept. Mercury was in occult. with Spika. Near Spika is Arcturus (Botesa) that points to “one who originate of God and who is closest to God”. Conj. of these two stars is pointing to astrological code that could be translated as “ one who appear from Virgo (Spika) and is son of God (Arcturus), and if it is correct and the ruler of the Asc. is here and Sun – we have precise picture of big incarnation.
Another significant fact is position of Betelgez on 01 degree in Gemini 07 in exact conj. with his Asc. Orion (has a form of a man) in that time was considered as only constellation appreciated as God, archetype of God. Betelgez – is its biggest star and it is its right hand or shoulder. For Jesus was saying that “he is sitting on the right side of his father”. If this star was coming up on East in the time of Jesus born (i.e. it was his on his Asc.) than that is the time of his born and is according to the picture of God on earth, that is incarnated. “Born of God and of the Virgin” –means Asc. on alfa star of Orion (Betelgez), ruler of Asc. on alfa star of Virgo (Spika).

Next sign is position of Neptune on 3 degree of Scorpio- exact degree of Pluto exaltation, and exact equidistance of Venus in Libra and Mars in Scorpio. Venus in 23 degree Libra- in that time star Unukalhai was there, for which is traditionally said that brings immortality, and also praise after which falling is coming and especially from those who are in his mercy or those who has been gracious. Mars is 12 degree in Scorpio, and in that time there was powerful star Antares. Equidistance of Neptune between Venus and Mars (love and hate) is showing a person who governs spiritually and with the faith. This is in the 6 house – unique healing gift. Position of Neptune is on degree of Pluto exaltation (that govern the reincarnation) – and we get spirituality connected with reincarnation. Pluto is in conjunction with Sun in 4 house (big power for transformation, 4 house is a grave, Pluto is death, and Sun is life) – i.e. to wake up from the grave.
Moon is in 8 house (death, suffering) and it is in Sagittarius- so it describe Jesus death. It is in Square with Jupiter (ruler of 8 house) and with Mercury (ruler of 1 house). Moon is also presenting the masses and they have condemn him to death, Sagittarius present religion, but also military people-especially foreign, and all that had part in his death. Moon is also on a place of a star called Terebelum, that Ptolemy has mention it as main star of the “4 sides of the tail of the Sagittarius”. Does it represent here a cross that he was crucified? Also, on the top of the 4 house 13 degree Leo is star Zosma (today at 10 degree Virgo), that is known as a star that …doesn’t give glory until a person don’t become a victim. The 4 house is also presenting how we will be remembered after physical death. As Jesus is remembered as “one who has sacrificed himself for all of us” – is confirmed with this star.
His natal cart can be confirmed with his next years: Second year Sun is in conj. with Pluto- moving from his place of living (because of the persecution), in his 7 year Mercury is Semi sextile with Neptune (spirituality) and Quincunx with Uranus (sudden adaptation)- (we don’t know where he has lived), in his 32 year Mercury is in sextile with Moon (ruler of the 3 house), - probably his biggest popularity (Moon-masses) through speech (ruler of the 3 house in trine with Mercury- personality), 33 year when he was crucified – Mercury (ruler of Asc,) in in conj. with the South Node(loss) on 29 degree of the sign (end by itself). After that is coming Scorpio , whose ruler is Pluto (which is here important and accented with conj. with Sun-life). So after death is coming life –or resurrection.

Next is Stigmata of Father Pio, but another time about that.

I hope you’ll find this interesting.
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My view on the chart-
My new age readings tell me that Jesus was "a scream", often having the people around him in stitches and I believe that account. Therefore, I'd expect more of a Jupiter presence, and although there is Mercury sextile Venus, denoting charm, the Mercury square Neptune aspect is suspect to me. I think this is a guy who had the unseen world and the reasoned one in better perspective than that aspect would suggest.
The chart has Moon, ruler of 10th Career, in powerful conjunction to Pluto, indicating upheaval of the masses (in 11th) and that seems a pretty good fit.
Bravo for getting this info out there - lots to think about.
Later edit - and oh yeah, I forgot. Not trying to be disrespectful, but having Mars in Aquarius in the 5th, conjunct cusp even, is an aspect I'd expect to see from someone turning water into wine! Talk about the life of the party...

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From Adonis (start of thread)
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I'd love to discuss this, but maybe we should start another thread?????????
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I appologise Adonis, I have been in a cheeky mood lately. The sites good though.
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jamiescott no need, but what happened is that the site where I used to upload, has been spammed and all charts there got lost. As a result I need to upload them again in another such as imageshack. I will try but give me some time. Not sure I have them all here.

Edit: I have now uploaded the charts I posted.

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December 21, as has already been mentioned, was the day of Sol Invictus. The Roman festival of Saturnalia was also celebrated around this date, with feasting and the exchange of gifts. Most tellingly, December 25 was the birthday of the pagan god Mithras, who was born of a virgin.
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Not accurate enough...I will post a MOST exact derivation of the birth time which is different to yours but also unique with no assumptions. I need time to do it in here. Watch this space....
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If you like this thread you'll like this book.The Witness of the Stars

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Jesus was born on 25 Dec 01 AD.

The first year is actually YEAR 1 because you can't have a year 0 it doesn't make sense.

This chart gives you a GRAND CROSS, between Pluto, Uranus in Cardinal with Sun in Cap + Saturn in the Midheaven (on a midnight chart.)

Considering that he was put on the cross and eventually remembered through the CROSS symbol, I would favour him having that grand cross chart on the Angles.

As to the Pisces rubbish, having Neptune in a tight sextile to Moon would be enough to give him some Piscean qualities of compassion and the like. Moon in the 12th house...
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Holy Blood, Holy Grail

I'm pretty sure I read this one, but there is another along the same lines. Anyway it came up with the 7 BC date.

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Pluto, Volume I: The Evolutionary Journey of the Soul (Llewellyn Modern Astrology Library)

But the chanelled one in this book looked pretty spot on, does anyone have it? I had to get rid of all my books years ago.
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The ancient Chinese kept meticulous records of celestial phenomena like comets and novas (novae?) which are so accurate that modern astronomers use them as references. The record contains no mention of a nova or supernova around the proposed time of Christ's birth.

Ancient astrologers like the Magi would have viewed a comet as an evil omen, not the birth of a king, so that is an unlikely candidate for the Christmas Star, as well.
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Why Jesus may have been born 7:30 pm 12 November 7 BC
When Jesus was born, the astrological phenomenon which pre-announced His birth was unique.
As Sag Moon referred above the Star of Bethleham has been explained as a Meteor, a comet, and a Supernova. It is only mentioned in Matthew. It was a unique phenomenon never seen before by the Astronomers of Herode (then king) but the Magi who were in Persia, could have known about it but it was rare! The only phenomenon that could give ‘direction’ is the great conjunction, ‘the synode’ of Sa/Ju. It gives direction when we see it on the west horizon during summer and spring and mark a direction to the west. This lasts days or even a few months depending on the planets involved. This great synode of Jupiter/Saturn of the ancient solar observers was the one which directed the magi to Bethlehem to Jesus, as the Mathew Gospel dictates. Every approx. 20 years a synode of Ju/Sa occurs and the Magi would have been able due to their age to have seen the synode of 9th October of 46BC and 30th June of 26 BC. The one of 46BC lasted for a month and the Magi maybe they had no opportunity to have seen undisturbed and studied their retrograde motion due to their disappearance in the afternoon sun.
During 19th November 27 BC something special happened in Leo constellation. The retro movement of Ju/Sa occurs on either side of the fixed star Regulus and Regulus can be used as a point of reference. So they could study the retro movement accurately. Perhaps they were the first ones to study this retro movement of the giant planets. This recording would be completed at about 20 March 26 BC when they went direct. Then the synode of those two planets happened on 30 June 26BC in Leo right next to Regulus and visible for a month on the western horizon. The magi could have been the first to comprehend the retro movement of the planets and being able to explain it to the ancient astrologers and those event prepared the Magi to the next rendezvous for thext UNIQUE synode of 7BC.
This was their target, to see the synode of those planets, and also they believed this was an OMEN for the prophesized Mesiah. (Jupiter was the planet of Mesiah in synode with Saturn the planet of the Jews). The magi were getting ready therefore for the 7BC synode knowing from the Old testament that this was to be confirmed in a few months at 7BC. The 7BC synode happens to be unique in the history of mankind! The planets became conjunct 3 times not only once. (From 4700 BC to 10,000 AD it turns out that out of the 737 synodes only 83 are triple, i.e. 3 conjunctions). We have therefore on 4th June 7BC the first, the second 23 Sept. Ju. is retro,, and the third 13 Dec.
It turns out that the 2 planets would stay in the night sky visible – for a few hours of course- for about a whole year confirming fully the opinion of various researchers of the star of Bethlehem whichever its nature would have been a star of long duration!
Both planets from 10th May to 31st Dec can be considered in continuous synode as they travel very close together. Near the end of their retro movement both planets seem to reduce to zero their apparent movement and at 12 Nov. 7BC Jupiter seemed still in the sky and also Saturn nearly still as well. The magi saw those planets therefore standing still in the sky on the 12 Nov 7 BC. This was the date Jusus was born. The star of Bethlehem stopped moving above the place where Jesus was born and it turns out that Jupiter was at its brightest! Saturn alone due to distance was not so special, but both were clearly visible for a year in the sky by those who knew. It turns out also that at 7:30 pm local time it was total darkness in Bethlehem and the planets were at their zenith so they were visible high in the sky by those who knew of course how to look for planets, not necessarily by the ordinary folk. On their way back home to Persia they saw also the 3rd synode of 13 Dec.
. The 14th Sep.7BC synode was unique in the history of the solar system because…
1) It was a triple synode.
2) 2) In Pisces,
3) On 14th Sept. we have a totally unique heliocentric synode between Ju/Sat/Earth, sun earth Jupiter and Saturn in a line in pisces.
4) The same day, when the sun rose the planets set, giving them direction towards Bethlehem.
5) The synode was visible for a year
6) Within the a database of 15000 years only 3 synodes have period 7885 years have the same day of the year but not the same sign. One of them is the 7BC.
7) Only one was fully within Pisces.(7BC)
8) The next synode in 7879AD will not be in Pisces. The next one in Pisces will appear in approx in 2,5 million years from now. Even then the characteristics will not be identical. This perfect synode therefore happened ONLY ONCE.

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Jesus date of Crucifixion

The date of Crucifixion, Death and Resurrection of Jesus

When Jesus died he was about 33 years old according to the Gospels. Therefore on the basis of my previous post where the derived date and time of birth was 7.30 pm Thursday 12 November 7BC means the years one has to search are 26, 27 and 28 AD. Dates after 28 AD are not allowed as Jesus would have been 24 when he died.
Important information for the search is that the Jews celebrated Easter on a Saturday after the date of the Crucifixion date. These dates were given by the apostoles who were with him during the crucifixion so they are more reliable than the date of His birth when only Mary His mother could have accounted for.
Also Pontius Pilatus was governor there. (26AD was the start of his reign).
Easter was celebrated by the Jews always the first Full moon after the summer solstice, i.e the end of the 14th and the beginning of the 15th day of the month Nissan. Summer solstice during the days of Jesus was 23rd March. Searching the databases one finds that the only date from 26 AD -36AD where the end of the 14th –beginning 15th day of the month Nissan was Saturday, according to the Jewish calendar of the time and of course Friday afternoon for the Julian calendar was 6th April 26 AD at 18:00 pm was the beginning of the full moon. 14 days later at 19th-April- 26AD and Friday at 18:00 was the summer solstice or the Jewish Easter. Jesus was therefore crucified Friday 6th April 26AD at 12:00 hrs and expired at 3pm Jerusalem time. (6th and 9th hour according to Gospels). The crucifixion started at 12:00. According to the gospels He was risen the early hours of one of Saturdays or one of the first days of the week, i.e. 16th of the month Nissan (Jewish calendar) or Sunday 21st April 26AD (Julian calendar). This satisfies also the Daniel prophecy that his death will be 70 weeks from baptism. He was Baptised at the age of 30.



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