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Need some education: Which charts to use when?

I would like to learn when to use which chart. There are natal charts, relocation charts, transits, progressed, solar arcs, solar return, lunar return, horary, synastry (bi-wheel, composite, Davison, first meeting charts), etc... It seems that for any given occasion one can start looking at at least a handful of different charts to try to draw conclusions. This is when things start getting fuzzy, with people seeing things that they want to see instead of what they should see. Are there any general guidelines as to which charts should be used first, second, last, or not used at all for a given situation? Thank you!
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it depends on what you're trying to do you have to mix in discretion once you know what all the different charts are for then you can use your judgement to decide which one to use.
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it depends on what you're trying to do you have to mix in discretion once you know what all the different charts are for then you can use your judgement to decide which one to use.
Yes, this is exactly what I want to know. I want to know what all the different charts are good for and also what they are not good for.

The natal chart is not for everything. And so is the progressed chart. And for some things you would rather use a relocation chart. Or maybe a solar return chart. But then, sometimes when you still cannot find something, there is always a temptation to look at all charts known to man. Then, while grasping at straws almost anything can be concluded. And this is when all the little science that we have starts morphing into art, and everything starts to become fuzzy. And, if one mixes in the concept of free will, then even the obvious indicators do not seem to be important. Where does one start and where does he/she stop with applying the astrological methods? When he/she stops caring? Or maybe when his/her knowledge ends? Or are there more strict rules of appropriate application of different charts and astrological methods? I want to know these rules.
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Oh, EJ, thank you very much! This skill to avoid the information overload effect is extremely important for someone who is new, and someone who is learning. There are all these different tools/guns/bazookas available. And I can easily google and find the operating manuals for all of them, easily learn how to use them. But I still would not know which one to use when. Any generally accepted application guidelines would be very helpful. The complication with astrology is that the result will always depend on the tool that was used.

Astrology is not alone in this sense. Even with such a hard science as Statistics, different analysis tools can produce different results. But I suspect, like with Statistics, Astrology also has stricter rules and guidelines than what it appears to have at first glance.
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This is a great thread and question C0rnholio. My suggestion is that it becomes a sticky...
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When Attempting Predictions
1. Natal Chart
This is again the first chart to look at, because nothing of significance will happen unless the related lesson is shown here......(The Natal Promise).

2. Progressed "day-for-a-year" Chart
We use this to identify "progressed to natal" chart aspects, because nothing of significance will happen unless the natal promise is activated by progression.

3. Transit Charts
We use these to identify "progressed to natal chart aspects" being activated by a planet transitting either the progressed or natal planet, because a significant event will not occur until the natal promise is activated by transits....Once again though, we focus initially upon slow-moving planets (to avoid information overload) and "home-in" on these events by looking at the inner planet transits only if we need to......[However, if the aim is to accurately predict what the event itself might be (rather than it's nature), homing-in will always be required...and Tertiary Charts can be useful for this too.]

4. Solar Return Charts
These are transit charts calculated for the exact time at which the Sun returns to it's natal zodiac position each year, which indicate events to be experienced between then and the next Solar Return......So, we use them as "stand-alone" charts to provide additional information about 1-3 above.......and for timing purposes, by monitoring transits to them throughout the year.

For example, the signs on the SR angles show how we shall see and be seen by others; prominent planets will indicate the nature of our focus for the year (Mercury=communications, Venus=relationships,etc); the houses point to the activities that might be to the fore and aspects provide clues about our likely behaviour.......whilst a transit to any of these will indicate when it will be particularly active.

5. Lunar Return Charts
These are used in the same way as Solar Return Charts, but are active for only four weeks; focus more upon our feelings and are best used as another timing indicator for the SR chart.

6. Other Return Charts
The specific lifetime-lesson that we are learning in relation to each planet is shown by it's sign/house/aspects in the natal chart, and it's Return Chart provides us with an opportunity to review/consolidate that learning before the planet commences it's next cycle......with the events of each cycle getting progressively harder/easier, depending upon how well we have learned our earlier lessons.


When Looking at Relationships
1. Individual Natal Charts
The first step is to look at the individual natal charts of both people, to identify the significant behavioural patterns and astrological lessons of this lifetime.

2. Synastry Chart
Step two is this comparison of natal chart to natal chart, identifying the astrologically significant contacts between the two individuals......outer to inner planet contacts indicate (karmic) lessons; inner to inner planet contacts reveal personality clashes/compatibility; outer to outer planets show generational viewpoint clashes/compatibility and the meanings of planets to chart points will vary according to which are involved.

3. Composite Charts
These show how the couple's relationship is seen by outsiders......The two-person team, rather than two separate individuals......So, we interpret this in exactly the same way as an individual natal chart, but the behavioural patterns and astrological lessons apply to the couple rather than each of them.....and end if/when the relationship ends.

4. Davison/Relationship Charts
These reveal the purpose of the relationship itself......the astrological reason/purpose for the two people being together......So again we interpret as a natal chart, but the relationship itself is the "native"......Thus, for example, the Sun placement will indicate where/how the relationship will "shine" and the MC will show how it presents itself to the world.

[Note : Because Davison Charts are based upon a time and place of birth, they can be progressed in the same way as any other natal chart......(enabling us to see how the relationship is likely to develop)......Whilst with composite charts, we must progress both individual charts separately and then create a progressed composite chart from the two progressed individual charts.]

I do not have the expertise to comment on the other charts you mention, COrnholio......and for those charts I have commented upon, others may use a different approach to mine.

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...Are there any general guidelines as to which charts should be used first, second, last, or not used at all for a given situation?
I agree fully with Niplan's response but, for information, my own understanding of (and approach to) the use of various charts is as follows :-

When Looking at an Individual's Self-development
1. Natal Chart
This reveals our character; instinctive behaviour and life direction/purpose...So, it's the first chart to look at because it tells us "where the person is coming from and going to"......plus the baggage they can choose to carry with them or let go of on their journey.

2. Progressed "day-for-a-year" Chart*
This chart covers the 12 month period from birthday to birthday and highlights the (lifelong) lessons of the natal chart that will be the focus of our attention during that time...So, it's the second chart to look at because it tells us (in general terms) what can be learned from the events/transits we shall encounter each year.

3. Lunar "day-for-a-month" Progressed Chart (Tertiary Chart)
There are 12 of these for every day-for-a-year progressed chart, giving the same information as the latter on a month-by-month basis...So, these are primarily "timing" charts enabling us to determine the exact month in which the learning event/transit will occur...but they also provide us with a "12X magnification" view of what the lesson is about.

4. Transit Charts
There are 28-31 transit charts for every day-for-a-month lunar progressed chart, showing (on a daily basis) the events/transits relating to the highlighted progressed/natal chart lessons...So, these are the fourth charts to look at because they tell us on which days our learning will be exemplified by a specific event......However, we avoid information overload by focusing initially upon the transit period of slow-moving planets (to identify significant events) with faster-moving planet transits enabling us to "zoom-in" for more specific information on the daily unfolding of the event.

[*Note : Solar Arc Charts are progressed charts, with all planets "progressed" by the actual annual movement of the Sun each year....(This can vary from just under to just over 1 degree, but most astrologers use 1 degree for the initial "sighting" of significant aspects and adjust for accuracy only when/if they need to)......Thus, if the Sun moves one degree in a year, all 10 planets in the chart are progressed by one degree......whereas, the day-for-a-year progressed chart progresses all planets by the actual daily movement each of them makes.]
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. Lunar "day-for-a-month" Progressed Chart (Tertiary Chart)
There are 12 of these for every day-for-a-year progressed chart, giving the same information as the latter on a month-by-month basis...So, these are primarily "timing" charts enabling us to determine the exact month in which the learning event/transit will occur...but they also provide us with a "12X magnification" view of what the lesson is about..

is this the chart i want to use then, to find out when a form of communication will open between me and a friend, or one of my employment agencies?

please let me know so i can download one from astro website. also, what other elements should i add to this chart? i never know, there are so many buttons to place. even the size, sometimes is confusing.

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Tertiary Progressions? I pulled up my natal chart and altered it from the dropdown menu to add this feature. is this correct? now what

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Re: Need some education: Which charts to use when?

kind of a newby question but i've read some thing on all these different charts you can use, is there a program of some sort in which to generate them or do you have to have previous knowledge to map them yourself?
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kind of a newby question but i've read some thing on all these different charts you can use, is there a program of some sort in which to generate them or do you have to have previous knowledge to map them yourself?
www.astro.com everyone gets their FREE charts from here
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Re: Need some education: Which charts to use when?

Still a bit confused here....

Which charts would I need if I wanted to look at an issue in my present? I am thinking the natal chart and a progressed chart (but looks like there are several types).

I would like to know whether or not I should continue on my latest career path or should I be taking a new route at this time in my life? I have a feeling it is the latter but I would like some guidance from my charts.

Which charts would give me the most useful info for this sort of inquiry?

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How can i do this chart? i want to find out about my year ahead. please tell me how to get this, from the astro site? i already have my natal chart posted. should i alter it to reflect some changes? please advise as i would love to do this. thank you again.
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I agree fully with Niplan's response but, for information, my own understanding of (and approach to) the use of various charts is as follows :-

When Looking at an Individual's Self-development
1. Natal Chart
This reveals our character; instinctive behaviour and life direction/purpose...So, it's the first chart to look at because it tells us "where the person is coming from and going to"......plus the baggage they can choose to carry with them or let go of on their journey.

2. Progressed "day-for-a-year" Chart*
This chart covers the 12 month period from birthday to birthday and highlights the (lifelong) lessons of the natal chart that will be the focus of our attention during that time...So, it's the second chart to look at because it tells us (in general terms) what can be learned from the events/transits we shall encounter each year.

3. Lunar "day-for-a-month" Progressed Chart (Tertiary Chart)
There are 12 of these for every day-for-a-year progressed chart, giving the same information as the latter on a month-by-month basis...So, these are primarily "timing" charts enabling us to determine the exact month in which the learning event/transit will occur...but they also provide us with a "12X magnification" view of what the lesson is about.

4. Transit Charts
There are 28-31 transit charts for every day-for-a-month lunar progressed chart, showing (on a daily basis) the events/transits relating to the highlighted progressed/natal chart lessons...So, these are the fourth charts to look at because they tell us on which days our learning will be exemplified by a specific event......However, we avoid information overload by focusing initially upon the transit period of slow-moving planets (to identify significant events) with faster-moving planet transits enabling us to "zoom-in" for more specific information on the daily unfolding of the event.

[*Note : Solar Arc Charts are progressed charts, with all planets "progressed" by the actual annual movement of the Sun each year....(This can vary from just under to just over 1 degree, but most astrologers use 1 degree for the initial "sighting" of significant aspects and adjust for accuracy only when/if they need to)......Thus, if the Sun moves one degree in a year, all 10 planets in the chart are progressed by one degree......whereas, the day-for-a-year progressed chart progresses all planets by the actual daily movement each of them makes.]
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I agree with this reply dear. This is true that Natal chart is used to predict about character of any person, birth chart is used to predict about all things in person's life and all about planet positioned. Mainly people like to predict with the help of birth chart. Thanks fro sharing this here dear.
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Re: Need some education: Which charts to use when?

I use natal chart for personal evaluation.
Natal chart with transits and progressions for the events that are to transpire and and
composite charts for relationship between two persons or more. That is all.

I dont bother with any others. It is way too confusing and you can find any answer if you use enough data, that may suit your purpose. I dont use asteroids or fixed stars but just major aspects to the major planets. It simplifies things and you get your answers. The nodes are very important and I sometimes use Chiron too.
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Great thread here, yes, and thank you for all the informations.
I didn't pay too much attention on composite chart because the interpretation seems to me either too mysterious or not personal enough. But I have and want to learn, what rules we are taking for this particular interpretation.
And then, this comment from EJ53
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3. Composite Charts
These show how the couple's relationship is seen by outsiders......The two-person team, rather than two separate individuals......So, we interpret this in exactly the same way as an individual natal chart, but the behavioural patterns and astrological lessons apply to the couple rather than each of them.....and end if/when the relationship ends.
I wonder what sense can give a composite when it is only the representation to others? How can a couple learn about a compositie? That's just my question, but perhaps, I didn't really understand the work you have to do on a composite?
Thankfully
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...I wonder what sense can give a composite when it is only the representation to others? How can a couple learn about a composite?...
Outsiders see things we fail to see ourselves, Sunny...When we look at an individual natal chart we see that person as they are seen by others...and when we look at a composite, we see that couple as they are seen by others (which is different to how the two individuals are seen by others, or perceive the relationship themselves).

So, from composites, two individuals can each learn how their natal chart characteristics affect relationships.

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Thank you very much, that makes sens!
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Great thread here, yes, and thank you for all the informations.
I didn't pay too much attention on composite chart because the interpretation seems to me either too mysterious or not personal enough. But I have and want to learn, what rules we are taking for this particular interpretation.
And then, this comment from EJ53
I wonder what sense can give a composite when it is only the representation to others? How can a couple learn about a compositie? That's just my question, but perhaps, I didn't really understand the work you have to do on a composite?
Thankfully
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There are books available on composites, espec Robert Hand

http://books.google.com/books?id=dUulSwQoEC4C&pg=PR16&dq=robert+hand+compo sites&ei=r8HRSsXNEJvmygSIsP3eCQ#v=onepage&q=&f=fal se

The Book ---Planets in Composite: Analyzing Human Relationships By Robert Hand-- is greatly recommended

“The composite doesn't seem to describe what either person feels about the other. In this way it is very different from synastry, which describes the chemistry between two people in terms of how they affect each other.The composite chart is like a child, a third entity which carries the genetic imprints of both parents but combines these imprints in an entirely new way and exists independently of either of them”
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_composit_e.htm

“Composites have their own laws and energies, and these have nothing to do with whether we are "well matched" with someone. A composite in itself will not tell us about compatibility. That is what synastry is for. The composite won't reveal whether the relationship is "good" or "bad" in terms of the chemistry between two people. The composite says to us, "If you choose to enter this relationship, here is its meaning and pattern of destiny”
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_composit_e.htm

http://www.astrology-numerology.com/composite.html
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/composite.html

“For example, the composite Ascendant can indicate the circumstances surrounding the first meeting or the beginning of the relationship. It can also point to how a couple initiates things together (such as projects). Similarly, the end of a relationship can be depicted by the composite twelfth house. Once a relationship kicks in (moves beyond the initial stages), the composite Sun becomes more apparent. If a commitment to each other happens, the seventh and eighth houses come more clearly into focus. As such, the conditions surrounding the planets and houses in the composite chart can show us different stages of development of the relationship over time.”
http://www.cafeastrology.com/compositechart.html
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http://www.astrology-numerology.com/composite.html
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/composite.html
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Interesting information. Can you recommend me books that could explain me with details about the different types of charts. I want to learn more about predictive astrology. You people are so amazing!
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Thanks for sharing this information.
I really don't understand that, "chart" thing, but thanks to this article I really did.
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HOW DO I DO A Synastry Chart?

I have a new friend and he knows he was born at 6pm, his parents will tell him exactly when he calls them, but, i do have the other information.

where are the instructions on how to do a Synastry Chart? or is it better to use the Davidson Chart to show if this relationship will be long term.

please advise as to what chart to use and how to calculate.

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HOW DO I DO A Synastry Chart?

I have a new friend and he knows he was born at 6pm, his parents will tell him exactly when he calls them, but, i do have the other information.

where are the instructions on how to do a Synastry Chart? or is it better to use the Davidson Chart to show if this relationship will be long term.

please advise as to what chart to use and how to calculate.

thank you so much.
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WHAT ABOUT if you WANT TO KNOW when a significant relationship will come into your life???

i dont know which chart to use.

again, i see all sorts of charts IF YOU ARE IN A RELATIONSHIP..But aside from the Natal, is there one i can use to see when would a relationship most likely occur?

Please advise - i do go on astro.com, but all i know how to do is a Natal. and then, there are so many drop down lists, its hard to decide which one will give me the best and/or most accurate description

please advise and THANK YOU - I will keep searching.
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WHAT ABOUT if you WANT TO KNOW when a significant relationship will come into your life???

i dont know which chart to use.

again, i see all sorts of charts IF YOU ARE IN A RELATIONSHIP..But aside from the Natal, is there one i can use to see when would a relationship most likely occur?

Please advise - i do go on astro.com, but all i know how to do is a Natal. and then, there are so many drop down lists, its hard to decide which one will give me the best and/or most accurate description

please advise and THANK YOU - I will keep searching.
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have you read the whole thread?? why don't you post your chart with progressions and transits in RMC forum OR try here

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