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Unread 03-22-2016, 12:38 PM
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Re: Doomed to single/virginal life?

My situation is similar to yours. There is no man for a serious relationship. Thought when I was younger there were a few guys but I was too shy (social anxiety problems also). I was very surprised when I saw your chart. We have the same aspects, planets, for example 7th house lord is in the 12th house, and Venus is in 12th house, Jupiter sextile Mars, Chiron 8th house in Cancer, etc.Ö I can say for me the obvious problems are some sort of social anxiety, mild depression and not so good social skills. And I too have that dual personality thing (Iím not bipolar), I want some fun and crazy but on the other hand Iím afraid.

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Unread 03-23-2016, 09:29 AM
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Re: Doomed to single/virginal life?

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Your 7th cusp is in the 8th sign from your ascendant. So for you, your Jupiter will have more 8th house qualities then for an outsider, who'll say that from their perspective it has more 7th house qualities.

House cusps are specific points in your life. The houses counted from the ascendant are how you relate to that specific cusp. Why? It's counted from your ascendant, the ascendant represents you.

I hope that sheds some light At least this is how I look at it.
Thank you! So, most likely Jupiter wouldn't have an impact on marriage then and be focused on the 8th (sexual) issues? It gets so complex!
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Unread 03-23-2016, 09:33 AM
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My situation is similar to yours. There is no man for a serious relationship.
Yup, we sound pretty similar, which is interesting with such similar placements. I'm at the point where I think the only way I'd get it is to pay a guy; although, that brings about my other side that makes me anxious and think about all the dangers of doing that. What I've read so far in this thread doesn't look promising I hope your luck turns around/stars go in a more favorable alignment!
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Unread 03-23-2016, 01:32 PM
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Thank you! So, most likely Jupiter wouldn't have an impact on marriage then and be focused on the 8th (sexual) issues? It gets so complex!
It is confusing, this is why some astrologers have thrown the cusps out entirely. They're just using the whole house system (Houses counted from the ascendant). Now, that might be useful if you're only reading your own chart. But if you're an astrologer doing it for a living, the house cusps do offer a more objective perspective. The Campanus trumps the Placidus system in my book, but that's just my personal opinion

So to answer your question: From your perspective? Yes.
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Unread 03-23-2016, 04:03 PM
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Re: Doomed to single/virginal life?

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It is confusing, this is why some astrologers have thrown the cusps out entirely.

They're just using the whole house system (Houses counted from the ascendant)
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Now, that might be useful if you're only reading your own chart.
But if you're an astrologer doing it for a living, the house cusps do offer a more objective perspective.
The Campanus trumps the Placidus system in my book, but that's just my personal opinion

So to answer your question: From your perspective? Yes

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dr. farr began studying astrology when he was twelve and is currently over sixty and explains cusps re: whole signs
on the WHOLE SIGN OR PLACIDUS discussion http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...413#post311413

WHOLE SIGNS TODAY http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ighlight=today
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Cusps:

Today
(and for the past thousand years or so)
we define cusps as "borders" (coasts),
but that is not the original meaning of the word "cusp":
it means "point" such as cuspal teeth (bicuspids)
and the point of a sword
-so originally the term cusp meant the "point" of something,
and in astrology originally the "cusp" of the house meant its "point";

now, when quadrant systems were developed, this "point" of the house came to mean its "beginning",
which later came to mean its "border", ie, the "border" between one house and the other.
And later astrology also began using these "borders" (cusps) for various prognostic applications
(Charles Carter came to believe that, for timing of events, the "cusps" of the Campanus house system gave the best results,
among the various quadrant house systems)


But now notice this:

in whole sign the cusps are NOT the 0 degree "borders" of sign/houses at all, and never were so regarded!

In whole sign, the "cusp" retained its original meaning, not as a "border" but rather as A POINT

-and that POINT (cusp) for EACH house, was the sensitive point of that house,

viz,
the sensitive point in whole sign houses
-each house
-that is the "cusp" of each house
-is a direct projection from the ascending degree
.


Example:

-the ascending degree of a chart is 18 Taurus:
what are the house cusps
(sensitive points, original meaning of the word "cusp") in the whole sign houses of this chart?

Cusp of 1st house = 18 Taurus
Cusp of 2nd house = 18 Gemini
Cusp of 3rd house = 18 Cancer
Cusp of 4th house = 18 Leo
Cusp of 5th house = 18 Virgo
Cusp of 6th house = 18 Libra
Cusp of 7th house = 18 Scorpio
Cusp of 8th house = 18 Sagittarius
Cusp of 9th house = 18 Capricorn
Cusp of 10th house = 18 Aquarius
Cusp of 11th house = 18 Pisces
Cusp of 12th house = 18 Aries

Now it is these "cusps"
(sensitive degrees, original meaning of the word "cusp" as a "point")
that are (and were) used for progressions, timing of events, etc,
and the fact is that they work for these purposes, quite well (in expert hands)

Whole sign does not use the BORDERS between houses (always 0 degree of any sign) for anything,
but it DOES use "cusps" (points in the house, projected from the exact ascending degree)
for timing (and other) delineative purposes
.


Whole sign suddenly vanished (both in the West and in Vedic astrology) during the same period of time
-ie, late 8th to early 9th century
-this sudden disappearance suggests a sudden turn in astrological thinking and practices,
rather than a gradual supplanting of a less effective traditional method (whole sign)
by a new and more effective method (rheotrius/alchabitius in the West,
and the closely related to whole sign Equal house, in Vedic astrology)

I quite agree with Waybread in the statement, "so what?"
(if old time astrologers did or didn't do something)

For me, there is only 1 reason I switched to whole sign
-it worked better (FOR ME)
I could care less if it were the oldest house system (which it is)
or whether it was invented by Badda Bing at Barney's Beanery in Bayonne, 10 years ago:

only things I consider are:
-does it seem to make sense?
-does it "taste good" to me
(ie, does it "feel right" to me)
-and, if yes to the above, does it work
(producing delineations and predicitions) better than what I have previously been doing?


Well, whole sign did all that, for me, so I switched;
but I am not going to try to convince anyone of anything about it,
except for beginners
-to you who might just be starting out, I would say:
try whole sign first, and see how well it might work for you...

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Unread 03-24-2016, 12:54 AM
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Re: Doomed to single/virginal life?

Hello JSMI,

After looking at your chart, it shows a little delay in the process but it does not show you being doomed or leading a completely virginal life.

The significanting planet for your partner is Saturn whom holds the lowest degree, and your Saturn is in its own sign of Capricorn.

What that means is that your partner will be of a Saturnine vibration.
It also means that your partner will most likely be someone older in age or even someone younger in some cases whom you feel is more mature (Saturn) than yourself.


"I feel that others don't want me." is a pretty typical Capricornian thing to say, especially when the significating planet for partnership is Saturn in its own sign.

Any leads for a relationship can seem as it is taking a while to develop as Saturn is a slow planet, maybe things might feel a little cold at first as Saturn is a cold planet but they can and will heat up over time yet another Saturnine quality.

Saturn sits in your 3rd house and is aspecting your Venus in the 12th by 10th house aspect - if you feel social anxiety or a limitation in communication it can limit the chance of ''love relationship'' opportunities.

The good news is that you are in Saturn's time period since 2011, lasting for 22 years; that means you are in the time period in which you will find a partner. This period ends 12/10/2029 so you have plenty of time.

In your navamsa (marriage / partner) chart you have Saturn yet again in Capricorn in the 5th house, so rest assured - it is all just delayed, you are not unwanted.

Guidance & protection,
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Unread 03-24-2016, 09:41 AM
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Re: Doomed to single/virginal life?

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It is confusing, this is why some astrologers have thrown the cusps out entirely. They're just using the whole house system (Houses counted from the ascendant). Now, that might be useful if you're only reading your own chart. But if you're an astrologer doing it for a living, the house cusps do offer a more objective perspective. The Campanus trumps the Placidus system in my book, but that's just my personal opinion

So to answer your question: From your perspective? Yes.
I can see how astrologers would want more information. It is always harder to be more objective when looking at your own chart. Thank you for going into more detail.

@JUPITERASC Thank you. That is incredibly informative and really helped me understand cusps better. I had always figured it was just whether something was in the house or not, so seeing cusps really adds another intricate layer.

You all have been so helpful. Cusps and house lords are new to me, so I have a lot to look into. I appreciate the help and guidance!
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Unread 03-24-2016, 09:57 AM
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Re: Doomed to single/virginal life?

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Hello JSMI,

After looking at your chart, it shows a little delay in the process but it does not show you being doomed or leading a completely virginal life.

The significanting planet for your partner is Saturn whom holds the lowest degree, and your Saturn is in its own sign of Capricorn.

What that means is that your partner will be of a Saturnine vibration.
It also means that your partner will most likely be someone older in age or even someone younger in some cases whom you feel is more mature (Saturn) than yourself.

"I feel that others don't want me." is a pretty typical Capricornian thing to say, especially when the significating planet for partnership is Saturn in its own sign.

Any leads for a relationship can seem as it is taking a while to develop as Saturn is a slow planet, maybe things might feel a little cold at first as Saturn is a cold planet but they can and will heat up over time yet another Saturnine quality.

Saturn sits in your 3rd house and is aspecting your Venus in the 12th by 10th house aspect - if you feel social anxiety or a limitation in communication it can limit the chance of ''love relationship'' opportunities.

The good news is that you are in Saturn's time period since 2011, lasting for 22 years; that means you are in the time period in which you will find a partner. This period ends 12/10/2029 so you have plenty of time.

In your navamsa (marriage / partner) chart you have Saturn yet again in Capricorn in the 5th house, so rest assured - it is all just delayed, you are not unwanted.

Guidance & protection,
SkyWriter
Thank you for your input and the amount of time you spent on my chart. I didn't realize how significant Saturn was in my chart; your descriptions make sense given how strong Saturn seems to be. I'll try to be more patient and stop comparing my love life to those around me, since my route seems to be the tortoise's route It's interesting, and it makes me wonder whether this is why I was once told that if I got married I'd meet my husband at work (Capricorn + Saturn I guess).
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