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Unread 12-03-2012, 07:55 AM
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Change of appearence

Wasn't sure where to put this question, so MOdS, feel free to move!

Wondering what and when transits and progressions have a positive effect on chart when wanting to change appearence/style?
Like, new hairstyle, new outfit,cosmetic surgery.
Something NEW to the OUTER IMAGE!
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Unread 12-03-2012, 09:42 AM
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Re: Change of appearence

Transits and progressions involving the Ascendant, MC, Sun and Venus, would perhaps be the ones to watch for, keeping in mind the issues of rulership (eg someone with Virgo rising might go for a new image with transiting Jupiter on their natal Mercury.) Also the natural houses of the Sun and Venus - the 5th and 7th, especially if one is trying to attract a mate through this image change.

If the image change involves an alignment with the collective in some waym then Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune all seem to me to be likely candidtes. Saturn may suddenly feel a need to change image in an attempt to appear more respectable, or in some cases because the respectable image one has been maintaining now feels futile. Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune might also feel the need to reach out to be part of a group, which might involve am image change. Since transits to Urans and Neptune are less significant, perhaps natal connections to these planets, which are then triggered by the transit, may be more likely to produce an image change, although something like progressed Sun of Venus aspecting Uranus or Neptune could give rise the need to chang image.

Mars may be involved it the person decides they need an image which shows how potent they are. Mercury might be involved it the person decides they need to look more intelligent.

Plastic surgery is probably a more complex issue, as there are often underlying wounds which one is trying to purge oneself of - Michael Jackson being a famous example. In cases such as this perhaps the Moon is more likely to be involved, or perhaps the 2nd house. Chiron also springs to mind as the planet which feels the gap between the reality of life and the ideal.

Some people are naturally inclined to keep changing their image, while some would only do it at significant junctures in their life.
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Transits and progressions involving the Ascendant, MC, Sun and Venus, would perhaps be the ones to watch for, keeping in mind the issues of rulership (eg someone with Virgo rising might go for a new image with transiting Jupiter on their natal Mercury.) Also the natural houses of the Sun and Venus - the 5th and 7th, especially if one is trying to attract a mate through this image change.

If the image change involves an alignment with the collective in some waym then Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune all seem to me to be likely candidtes. Saturn may suddenly feel a need to change image in an attempt to appear more respectable, or in some cases because the respectable image one has been maintaining now feels futile. Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune might also feel the need to reach out to be part of a group, which might involve am image change. Since transits to Urans and Neptune are less significant, perhaps natal connections to these planets, which are then triggered by the transit, may be more likely to produce an image change, although something like progressed Sun of Venus aspecting Uranus or Neptune could give rise the need to chang image.

Mars may be involved it the person decides they need an image which shows how potent they are. Mercury might be involved it the person decides they need to look more intelligent.

Plastic surgery is probably a more complex issue, as there are often underlying wounds which one is trying to purge oneself of - Michael Jackson being a famous example. In cases such as this perhaps the Moon is more likely to be involved, or perhaps the 2nd house. Chiron also springs to mind as the planet which feels the gap between the reality of life and the ideal.

Some people are naturally inclined to keep changing their image, while some would only do it at significant junctures in their life.
Thats very interesting Miquar and some thoughts I didn't think of.
With the persons sun,moon, asc,mars,mc involved. How would you determine the outcome if the natal chart has afflictions to these planets and points.
For example my venus is squaring pluto. Would this be beneficial or not?
Also you mention jupiter to the asc, but would this be negative if jupiter were there squaring or conjuncting, maybe enlarging or grossly changing image for the worst?
I read somewhere that a natal venus/saturn was a good sign that changing the image would be beneficial as saturns discipline to venus brings about good results,enhancing self image?
I don't have venus/saturn aspects, but I have saturn in taurus, would this also apply maybe?
Myself would think mars is involved or maybe pluto or uranus in 1st.
A change in style often renews me.
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Hi. I think an afflicted planet would come up against fears during process of change (there were probably fears around the afflicted planet anyway, but the fear of change tends to be greater than the fears around what already is). There might be a resistance to change, followed by a sudden and over-the-top change due to the build up of energy over time.

Venus square Pluto obviously has a need to change its sense of what feels beautiful and worthwhile every now and again. In order to feel beautiful and worthwhile, we may turn to our physical appearance (and to what this symbolises to us, and what kinds of reactions it will arouse in others). Venus Pluto probably tends to strongly resist attempts by others to influence such Venusian issues as these, but may sometimes attract people into life who try to do just this. Thus the hard aspect between these planets can manifest as power struggles around values and beauty. There is sometimes rivalry with the Mother, which sets complexes in motion which help to bring about some of the textbook interpretations of this chart factor. I would say that Venus square Pluto is beneficial for being able to change one's image - there may be struggles involved, but the consciousness-raising tendency of the square helps to shed any destructive tendencies in a way which the trine between these planets might not. Venus and Pluto get on well in myth, which is an indication that these planets can join forces relatively easily no matter what the aspect.

I think that hard aspects from transiting Jupiter to the ascendant would probably only be problematic if there were already tensions in the chart. All in all I think they would be better for making changes than the soft aspects.

We always need to check for stagnation where Saturn is placed, so Venus Saturn could benefit from periodically taking stock of how the sense of beauty and value have coalesced in the individual's life, and whether or not there is a need to let go of any fears and attitudes which are inhibiting the experience of self-love and pleasure. Saturn in Taurus could be similar in some ways, because it suggests a need to establish a set of values and secure that which is valued in order to feel shielded against the vicissitudes of life. Again, there is the possibility of doing this too rigidly so that the Taurian potential to build and enjoy is inhibited.

I think any transit or progression challenges the current sense of self in some way, and any change in the sense of self might be helped along or marked by a change in the way we adorn ourselves, which can include posture and vocabulary as well as clothes and hair style.


I think Mars can be great for giving the courage to make changes of any kind, but generally speaking I don't think that, in itself, it spends too much time in front of the mirror. Its more interested in seeing its potency reflected back to it in the affects which it has had on the world around it.

I think transiting planets through the houses are more likely to have an affect when they cross an angle, and when the aspect another planet from the house which they are transiting. Otherwise, it would be a very long and drawn out image change for someone with a slow planet through the first house.

These are just my thoughts, anyway..
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Hi. I think an afflicted planet would come up against fears during process of change (there were probably fears around the afflicted planet anyway, but the fear of change tends to be greater than the fears around what already is). There might be a resistance to change, followed by a sudden and over-the-top change due to the build up of energy over time.

Venus square Pluto obviously has a need to change its sense of what feels beautiful and worthwhile every now and again. In order to feel beautiful and worthwhile, we may turn to our physical appearance (and to what this symbolises to us, and what kinds of reactions it will arouse in others). Venus Pluto probably tends to strongly resist attempts by others to influence such Venusian issues as these, but may sometimes attract people into life who try to do just this. Thus the hard aspect between these planets can manifest as power struggles around values and beauty. There is sometimes rivalry with the Mother, which sets complexes in motion which help to bring about some of the textbook interpretations of this chart factor. I would say that Venus square Pluto is beneficial for being able to change one's image - there may be struggles involved, but the consciousness-raising tendency of the square helps to shed any destructive tendencies in a way which the trine between these planets might not. Venus and Pluto get on well in myth, which is an indication that these planets can join forces relatively easily no matter what the aspect.

I think that hard aspects from transiting Jupiter to the ascendant would probably only be problematic if there were already tensions in the chart. All in all I think they would be better for making changes than the soft aspects.

We always need to check for stagnation where Saturn is placed, so Venus Saturn could benefit from periodically taking stock of how the sense of beauty and value have coalesced in the individual's life, and whether or not there is a need to let go of any fears and attitudes which are inhibiting the experience of self-love and pleasure. Saturn in Taurus could be similar in some ways, because it suggests a need to establish a set of values and secure that which is valued in order to feel shielded against the vicissitudes of life. Again, there is the possibility of doing this too rigidly so that the Taurian potential to build and enjoy is inhibited.

I think any transit or progression challenges the current sense of self in some way, and any change in the sense of self might be helped along or marked by a change in the way we adorn ourselves, which can include posture and vocabulary as well as clothes and hair style.


I think Mars can be great for giving the courage to make changes of any kind, but generally speaking I don't think that, in itself, it spends too much time in front of the mirror. Its more interested in seeing its potency reflected back to it in the affects which it has had on the world around it.

I think transiting planets through the houses are more likely to have an affect when they cross an angle, and when the aspect another planet from the house which they are transiting. Otherwise, it would be a very long and drawn out image change for someone with a slow planet through the first house.

These are just my thoughts, anyway..
Thankyou for your response!
So you think that squares and conjunctions are more likely to push one to change, that makes sense to me but in terms of outcome, would this ultimately be fruitful for an appearence change or is it more about what planets are involved in the chart and how well they merge with the transits and progressions.
I'm still rusty on this!
So because of myth you believe that venus and pluto are 'friends'?
I wouldn't of put these two together, but I get where youre coming from.
I would also feel that mars would be an instigator of change being a fast planet and representing the ego/body, health/vigour.
When saturn went over my asc, I did improve my physique, but not in an venusian way, like hairstyle, clothes etc
I guess its hard to pinpoint any one planet, as style can be different to different people and what sets them off on a change of image, like you say must show on the angles or maybe what planet they are most influenced by in their natal chart is being set off by transit or progression.
I always get my hair cut when the moon is intaurus or libra, thats just a thing I do, its worked up to now
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Re: Change of appearence

I have been thinking back to hair colour changes and styles, and when they occured and actually there was a link for me with jupiter transiting my 8th house in aries.
Maybe thats something to do with transformation and jupiter being my suns ruler, the 8th is ruled by pluto which sits near my asc and squares my sun and venus?
So lets say one has jupiter in the 1st house squ their venus or sun, would then a transit of their suns or venus ruler thru the 9th make a style change?

Can anyone else see a correlation to this?

I need to go back and look at what everything else was doing, progressed moon, venus etc and other transits.
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So because of myth you believe that venus and pluto are 'friends'?
Its interesting that Aphrodite is one of the only friends Hades has in Greek myth. It is Aphrodite who notices that Kore is too naive and needs to be initiated into a broader experience of life, so she gets Eros to make Hades fall in love with Kore Hades abducts Kore (Spring Maiden) into his realm and she becomes Persephone (she who loves the dark earth). Pluto gets on better with the Taurian side of Venus than the Libran side though I think.
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