North Node inconjunct aspect
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Claire19
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As you say inconjuncts relate to health issues and I dont believe there is any validity with the north nodes with this aspect. This why you dont see any information on that particular aspect. The conjunctions, oppositions and trines and perhaps the sextiles to the north nodes are useful. I dont believe any of the minor aspects are valid when dealing with the nodes.
Hope this helps to clarify matters.
Claire
Hope this helps to clarify matters.
Claire
Claire19
Well-known member
Actually I regard the inconjunct as a major aspect. It is chronic maladjustment and believe me if you have it it is no minor thing when connected to health. I have Saturn Leo inconjunct Pisces Rising. Along with the conjunction to Mercury in Leo I have tinnitus which cannot be cured, only managed and mostly ignored whenever I can. Also arthritis in the joints.
As for the nodes, they are really placements and karmic ones I believe. I dont use minor aspects or inconjunctions with them. Intuitively I feel it is not appropriate. However there can be lack of adjustment from the planet connected to the nodes perhaps making it harder to follow the true path that the north node represents. Others who have this aspect would be better than I in identifying any possible influence. The nodes deserve a lot of attention and are the key to our charts in many ways I believe. I am lucky??? or whatever to have good aspects to my nodes and it has been easy and fortunate for me to become the astrologer that Uranus conjunct north node represents. Also to be unconventional in my attitudes to family life. I dont have children nor a conventional married life and never wanted any backed up by Saturn Leo in 5th. The sense of freedom that my parents encouraged to exlore the world and to form my own opinions. Uranus Gemini 4th.
Claire
As for the nodes, they are really placements and karmic ones I believe. I dont use minor aspects or inconjunctions with them. Intuitively I feel it is not appropriate. However there can be lack of adjustment from the planet connected to the nodes perhaps making it harder to follow the true path that the north node represents. Others who have this aspect would be better than I in identifying any possible influence. The nodes deserve a lot of attention and are the key to our charts in many ways I believe. I am lucky??? or whatever to have good aspects to my nodes and it has been easy and fortunate for me to become the astrologer that Uranus conjunct north node represents. Also to be unconventional in my attitudes to family life. I dont have children nor a conventional married life and never wanted any backed up by Saturn Leo in 5th. The sense of freedom that my parents encouraged to exlore the world and to form my own opinions. Uranus Gemini 4th.
Claire
Claire19
Well-known member
Hello there
I think that when saturn and Pluto in particular are involved in inconjuncts that they will contribute to our demise. In my case Saturn Leo inconjunct ascendant Pisces will be a factor in my passing over whe the time comes. There are many levels, I have a strong sensitivity to the sun and have a freckled complexion also. But I have a good quality skin that has not aged badly as a result of sun avoidance and this has been a benefit.
I have been thinking about your lessons. If you dont want to give me your chart I guess we can still proceed. It is not up to me how you receive the information and I have nothing invested in making sure you pass the exams!!
I only wish to help anyone who is interested.
I advise you get the astrologyalive.com cheat sheet if you dont have it already, It is very comprehensive and you will be referring to it often.
I still believe that the nodes are only signposts if you will and not being planetary bodies I am not sure the inconjunct would be valid. I use it as a major aspect however in my other work. I would be only too happy to have proof that it does work with the nodes however and even after 25 years I am still learning and that is the exciting part of astrology.
Cheers
Claire
I think that when saturn and Pluto in particular are involved in inconjuncts that they will contribute to our demise. In my case Saturn Leo inconjunct ascendant Pisces will be a factor in my passing over whe the time comes. There are many levels, I have a strong sensitivity to the sun and have a freckled complexion also. But I have a good quality skin that has not aged badly as a result of sun avoidance and this has been a benefit.
I have been thinking about your lessons. If you dont want to give me your chart I guess we can still proceed. It is not up to me how you receive the information and I have nothing invested in making sure you pass the exams!!
I only wish to help anyone who is interested. I advise you get the astrologyalive.com cheat sheet if you dont have it already, It is very comprehensive and you will be referring to it often.
I still believe that the nodes are only signposts if you will and not being planetary bodies I am not sure the inconjunct would be valid. I use it as a major aspect however in my other work. I would be only too happy to have proof that it does work with the nodes however and even after 25 years I am still learning and that is the exciting part of astrology.
Cheers
Claire
Hi Claire,
I noted that you mentioned you have tinnitus. I have
had it since I was 17, starting in December 1975, I remember.
The doctors were puzzled at that time, and their knowledge
on the causes of a complex symptom like tinnitus over here
are scant, even to this day. They merely investigated me for
for a possible brain tumor, which was negative.
Having done some research on my own symptoms in retrospect,
I am quite sure the cause in my case was a small hemorraghic
stroke in the vicinity of the 8th (auditory nerve) in the brain at
that time.
I'm still a beginner at astrology, and I am not sure which aspects
were involved in my case. I have an inconjunct from Uranus
in my 5th house Leo to Venus which virtually sits on my MC
in Pisces. My North node is in 1' 19" Scorpio, in the 5th house.
Here's my chart if you wish to look at it.
http://geocities.com/thamwkeong/Charts/Tham_Natal.gif
I noted that you mentioned you have tinnitus. I have
had it since I was 17, starting in December 1975, I remember.
The doctors were puzzled at that time, and their knowledge
on the causes of a complex symptom like tinnitus over here
are scant, even to this day. They merely investigated me for
for a possible brain tumor, which was negative.
Having done some research on my own symptoms in retrospect,
I am quite sure the cause in my case was a small hemorraghic
stroke in the vicinity of the 8th (auditory nerve) in the brain at
that time.
I'm still a beginner at astrology, and I am not sure which aspects
were involved in my case. I have an inconjunct from Uranus
in my 5th house Leo to Venus which virtually sits on my MC
in Pisces. My North node is in 1' 19" Scorpio, in the 5th house.
Here's my chart if you wish to look at it.
http://geocities.com/thamwkeong/Charts/Tham_Natal.gif
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Claire19
Well-known member
Firstly I dont use inconjuncts with the north node. Only the major aspects such as conjunctions, squares and oppositions. You wont find any material I feel, that analyses any other aspects with the nodal placements. They are not planets.
With your Mercury in Aries squarely widely Uranus in Leo, could be indication of what you described. As you know Mercury rules hearing, Aries the head area and Uranus the nervous system, it is in its opposite sign of Leo and I feel your circulation system is involved. Have you tried ginkco biloba? Is your condition very bad?? The aspect is only weak in orb though. Mercury is your chart ruler which we always look at for health issues. Uranus opposing your Moon in Aquarius is another indication perhaps. If you look at your transits for the time you mentioned the onset, see if any of them were involved with the above natal aspects. We do not have any real influences happening unless there is an echo in our birth chart. Look also at your progressions for that time.
Let me know as I would be interested
Cheers
Claire
With your Mercury in Aries squarely widely Uranus in Leo, could be indication of what you described. As you know Mercury rules hearing, Aries the head area and Uranus the nervous system, it is in its opposite sign of Leo and I feel your circulation system is involved. Have you tried ginkco biloba? Is your condition very bad?? The aspect is only weak in orb though. Mercury is your chart ruler which we always look at for health issues. Uranus opposing your Moon in Aquarius is another indication perhaps. If you look at your transits for the time you mentioned the onset, see if any of them were involved with the above natal aspects. We do not have any real influences happening unless there is an echo in our birth chart. Look also at your progressions for that time.
Let me know as I would be interested
Cheers
Claire
Thanks, Claire.
Yes, I believe you are correct, my circulation and nervous
system must have been involved in this. I am a highly strung
person by nature, and my blood pressure shoots up really
sky high and very easily under stress, even though I don't
really have hypertension.
I remember one day in 1988, when I was jobless and under
considerable stress, I felt kind of uneasy. I walked into a clinic,
and the doctor was alarmed when he took my BP reading -
180/90 ! He attributed it to stress though, and merely gave me
tranquilizers.
This is what I remember at the onset of the tinnitus on that
day in 1975. Again, I was under considerable tension, having
just left high school, and taking a high-pressured electronics
college course for which I was ill-suited. In all likelihood, my
blood pressure must have shot up past 200 that day. I recall
a mid-pitched continuous tone started in my right ear in the
afternoon. Being an intuitive person, I suspected my hearing
in the left ear had been affected. I took my tape player, turned
up fully the volume and tone without any cassette inside. This
plays only tape hiss then. The left ear was alright, but the
tape hiss in my right ear was muffled. I knew I had lost the
high frequency hearing in my right ear.
That night, I woke up with the whole room spinning, and
started vomiting violently. The nausea, vertigo and vomiting
continued for at least a week, after which it stopped. As
expected, my usual family GP was in the dark. Follow-up
with a hospital ENT ended up with a referral to another
hospital's neurosurgery unit. They didn't have CAT scans
or MRIs in those days - merely brain angiograms and crude
radio-isotope brain scans. They said they "saw" something
in the scans, but nothing was conclusive.
The tinnitus has continued to this day, with two aggravations
in early 1988 and 2001, which pushed it to even higher
frequencies. I'll post the transits and progressions for these
two events later.
Unfortunately, ginkgo biloba has just the opposite effect
- it makes it even louder and higher pitched. Tinnitus is
that complex a disorder. I've tried antiepileptic drugs like
carbamazepine (Tegretol) and gabapentin (Neurontin)
without results (tinnitus is an epileptic-like auditory
phenomenon). I think it's because I did not take a high
enough dose or not for long enough.
Neurontin is best combined with a benzodiazepine,
clonazepam (Klonopin) for best results, according to
the landmark study by Abraham Shulman of the Martha
Entenmann Tinnitus Center if you wish to try it. (I have
the Tinnitus Journal which published the full text of this
study.) However, one woman in a Yahoo group told me her
tinnitus actually started after she was put on these two drugs
for some other condition - that is just how complex and
baffling this thing can be.
Clonazepam (Klonopin), being a benzodiazepine,
will cause drowsiness, so you may wish to try Neurontin
by itself. Some studies find Neuronin alone ineffective,
but others find some benefit. I was taking just one 300 mg
cap a day, which was likely insufficient. You may wish to
start at one cap for a few days, then go up slowly to say
900 mg and see how it goes. Try to start the first dose at
night, as Neurontin is actually a GABA derivative and
will cause some drowsiness. If you can, try pushing up the
daily dosage to 1,800 mg (2 caps 3 times a day).
http://home.tampabay.rr.com/lymecfs/nfaq.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ctPlus&list_uids=14763233&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ctPlus&list_uids=11233342&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ctPlus&list_uids=16652071&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ctPlus&list_uids=17438255&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ctPlus&list_uids=17106432&itool=pubmed_docsum
Chatting with a nurse on ICQ some years ago, she asked
me whether the vomiting I had during that period of onset
in 1975 was of a projectile nature - that is, if it flew out.
I answered in the affirmative. She replied that only one
condition results in this kind of projectile vomiting -
a stroke, and a hemorrhagic one at that, not a TIA (transient
ischemic attack). Thus, as mentioned, the extreme stress
which I was going thru must have shot up my blood pressure,
very likely past 200, (I remember my face and neck feeling
warm just before onset) that day. This would have burst blood
vessels in the brain, and the one or ones affected were
unfortunately that feeding the 8th or auditory nerve, which
in turn damaged it. I realize this sounds odd for for someone
of 17, but strokes can actually happen at any age.
As for coping, when it was aggravated those two times
in 1988 and 2001, I was virtually suicidal. In 1988, an
audiologist who was trying his masker on me told me he
had to turn it up to past 100 db to mask my tinnitus - that
was how loud it was.
The second time in 2001, another audiologist used his
equipment to actually measure my tinnitus, which showed
up as a red line on his graph, which was as high as the black
line, my normal hearing. He was shocked and told me
that my threshold was some 110 db, extremely loud and high
pitched. I wished he had a printer for that graph then.
I was thinking of trying TRT (Tinnitus Retraining Therapy) with
one other audiologist here in 2001, which uses a device
(not a masker) to introduce another sound into your ears,
and in the process habituate you to the tinnitus eventually.
Luckily, the body has a way of coping, and my brain somehow
eventually habituated to the sound by itself. It's like a person
who comes from the quiet countryside to live in the city. Initially
the city noise drives him crazy, but he eventually gets used
to it. It can still be quite debilating at times, and occasionally
the pitch shoots up like some laser gun, but I think I'll manage
to survive somehow.
Yes, I believe you are correct, my circulation and nervous
system must have been involved in this. I am a highly strung
person by nature, and my blood pressure shoots up really
sky high and very easily under stress, even though I don't
really have hypertension.
I remember one day in 1988, when I was jobless and under
considerable stress, I felt kind of uneasy. I walked into a clinic,
and the doctor was alarmed when he took my BP reading -
180/90 ! He attributed it to stress though, and merely gave me
tranquilizers.
This is what I remember at the onset of the tinnitus on that
day in 1975. Again, I was under considerable tension, having
just left high school, and taking a high-pressured electronics
college course for which I was ill-suited. In all likelihood, my
blood pressure must have shot up past 200 that day. I recall
a mid-pitched continuous tone started in my right ear in the
afternoon. Being an intuitive person, I suspected my hearing
in the left ear had been affected. I took my tape player, turned
up fully the volume and tone without any cassette inside. This
plays only tape hiss then. The left ear was alright, but the
tape hiss in my right ear was muffled. I knew I had lost the
high frequency hearing in my right ear.
That night, I woke up with the whole room spinning, and
started vomiting violently. The nausea, vertigo and vomiting
continued for at least a week, after which it stopped. As
expected, my usual family GP was in the dark. Follow-up
with a hospital ENT ended up with a referral to another
hospital's neurosurgery unit. They didn't have CAT scans
or MRIs in those days - merely brain angiograms and crude
radio-isotope brain scans. They said they "saw" something
in the scans, but nothing was conclusive.
The tinnitus has continued to this day, with two aggravations
in early 1988 and 2001, which pushed it to even higher
frequencies. I'll post the transits and progressions for these
two events later.
Unfortunately, ginkgo biloba has just the opposite effect
- it makes it even louder and higher pitched. Tinnitus is
that complex a disorder. I've tried antiepileptic drugs like
carbamazepine (Tegretol) and gabapentin (Neurontin)
without results (tinnitus is an epileptic-like auditory
phenomenon). I think it's because I did not take a high
enough dose or not for long enough.
Neurontin is best combined with a benzodiazepine,
clonazepam (Klonopin) for best results, according to
the landmark study by Abraham Shulman of the Martha
Entenmann Tinnitus Center if you wish to try it. (I have
the Tinnitus Journal which published the full text of this
study.) However, one woman in a Yahoo group told me her
tinnitus actually started after she was put on these two drugs
for some other condition - that is just how complex and
baffling this thing can be.
Clonazepam (Klonopin), being a benzodiazepine,
will cause drowsiness, so you may wish to try Neurontin
by itself. Some studies find Neuronin alone ineffective,
but others find some benefit. I was taking just one 300 mg
cap a day, which was likely insufficient. You may wish to
start at one cap for a few days, then go up slowly to say
900 mg and see how it goes. Try to start the first dose at
night, as Neurontin is actually a GABA derivative and
will cause some drowsiness. If you can, try pushing up the
daily dosage to 1,800 mg (2 caps 3 times a day).
http://home.tampabay.rr.com/lymecfs/nfaq.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ctPlus&list_uids=14763233&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ctPlus&list_uids=11233342&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ctPlus&list_uids=16652071&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ctPlus&list_uids=17438255&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ctPlus&list_uids=17106432&itool=pubmed_docsum
Chatting with a nurse on ICQ some years ago, she asked
me whether the vomiting I had during that period of onset
in 1975 was of a projectile nature - that is, if it flew out.
I answered in the affirmative. She replied that only one
condition results in this kind of projectile vomiting -
a stroke, and a hemorrhagic one at that, not a TIA (transient
ischemic attack). Thus, as mentioned, the extreme stress
which I was going thru must have shot up my blood pressure,
very likely past 200, (I remember my face and neck feeling
warm just before onset) that day. This would have burst blood
vessels in the brain, and the one or ones affected were
unfortunately that feeding the 8th or auditory nerve, which
in turn damaged it. I realize this sounds odd for for someone
of 17, but strokes can actually happen at any age.
As for coping, when it was aggravated those two times
in 1988 and 2001, I was virtually suicidal. In 1988, an
audiologist who was trying his masker on me told me he
had to turn it up to past 100 db to mask my tinnitus - that
was how loud it was.
The second time in 2001, another audiologist used his
equipment to actually measure my tinnitus, which showed
up as a red line on his graph, which was as high as the black
line, my normal hearing. He was shocked and told me
that my threshold was some 110 db, extremely loud and high
pitched. I wished he had a printer for that graph then.
I was thinking of trying TRT (Tinnitus Retraining Therapy) with
one other audiologist here in 2001, which uses a device
(not a masker) to introduce another sound into your ears,
and in the process habituate you to the tinnitus eventually.
Luckily, the body has a way of coping, and my brain somehow
eventually habituated to the sound by itself. It's like a person
who comes from the quiet countryside to live in the city. Initially
the city noise drives him crazy, but he eventually gets used
to it. It can still be quite debilating at times, and occasionally
the pitch shoots up like some laser gun, but I think I'll manage
to survive somehow.
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Tinnitus Onset in 1975
Hi Claire, I've uploaded my transits and progressions for the
period of onset of my tinnitus around December 1975. I can't
remember the exact day, so I've used 1 December 1975.
Perhaps you could take at look at them.
http://geocities.com/thamwkeong/Charts/1975_Transits.gif
http://geocities.com/thamwkeong/Charts/1975_Progressions.gif
Hi Claire, I've uploaded my transits and progressions for the
period of onset of my tinnitus around December 1975. I can't
remember the exact day, so I've used 1 December 1975.
Perhaps you could take at look at them.
http://geocities.com/thamwkeong/Charts/1975_Transits.gif
http://geocities.com/thamwkeong/Charts/1975_Progressions.gif
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