Thank you Pierce the Vale for referring me to your post "Birth Chart of Jesus." I have printed it to review at my leisure, or rather more studious moments.
Though not quite 30⁰ Virgo, 29⁰58' Virgo has certainly been transformational for me in too many subtle and profound ways to count.
My intention in beginning this Stock Market thread was to sound the shofar so that others might prepare for the transformation I believe (been shown) is approaching. I don't know how to put it in astrological terms other than to point to the stock market. There are too many economic indicators present currently that were present prior to 1929 and 2008, including the yield curve reversal. Presently Deutsche Bank, the kingpin of all Central Banks (CB), has been teetering on the verge of collapse for the last year. If it goes down it'll take all the CBs with it. Derivatives and global debt are so huge there is no way to pay them off. Insiders, CEOs and Board of Directors have been selling off their stock, getting out of the stock market and purchasing gold and other precious metals. Currencies worldwide are switching to gold backed.
I should erect a chart for the Act of 1871 when the constitution was rewritten making the US a corporation. I should erect a chart for when the dollar was no longer gold backed. Fiat money generally has a 70 year life span. 2008 is about when that 70 year lifespan ended. Then came the stimulus and bank bail outs which coincide with what I like to think of as the Pluto-Saturn dance as the two celestial bodies form exact aspects with one another to conjoin 1/12/2020. Pluto stationed two years in a row on 9/11/07 and 9/9/08. Nearly halfway between the two dates Obama's $787 Billion stimulus goes into effect 2/17/08. Stimulus means more debt. The amount of information I look at is daunting and requires days of my time to sort through.
I believe we are entering a time of transformation. I also believe there are many hidden truths in your "understanding" that
"the first degree in the process of transformation is actually Virgo 30* and it culminates with Libra 01" and that
"thus the Sabian Symbols represent a process of spiritual transformation when read in that clockwise direction around a chart that begins at Virgo 30*." (Per your thread:
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13271)
My question to you is does Virgo 30* correspond to the transformation I perceive approaching?
Cecile
You definitely should get a copy of Dane Rudhyar's book, "An Astrological Mandala. The Cycle of Transformation and It's 360 Symbolic Phases"
Unfortunately it presently seems to be out of print and II have to wonder if Dane's widow, Leyla Rael, is making that decision or if it is the publisher, or someone else altogether that is keeping it that way?
Dane was born in France and studied musical composition and He came to the United States
He was born as Daniel Chennevière, Influenced by Nietzsche as a youth, November 1916, Rudhyar's music brought him to New York City, where his orchestral arrangements and original compositions were performed on April 4, 1917. one of the first polytonal pieces of music performed in the United States. {I've listened to a couple of recordings of Dane's compositions. Not my "cup of tea"... I don't think the world of music suffered much from his switch of interest to astrology...and the world of astrology has reaped a bountiful harvest from it.] He also met Sasaki Roshi, one of the early Japanese Zen teachers in America, who led him in the study of Oriental philosophy and occultism. During this period from 1917 to 1919, spent partly in New York City, partly in Canada, and partly in Philadelphia he adopted the name "Rudhyar", a name He created from a couple of words of Sanskrit, one is the Rigvedic 'god" Rudra,
It was while He was in New York and pursuing his chosen profession in music that He met Alice Bailey, the renowned American Theosophist whom asked Dane to compose a piece for a play the organization had produced and was going to stage out in California. Alice was with the West Coast branch of the American Theosophist Society and during that time Dane had begun studying Carl Jung and was also studying Vedic philosophy. It was while in L.A. that Alice suggested that He should learn astrology too and introduced him to Marc Edmond Jones and Dane began Marc's mail order course of study. Marc had just produced the lost Sabian Symbols, with the help of the purest clairvoyant he could find, Miss Elsie Wheeler, a couple of years prior and included those symbols in his study course.
After some period of time studying them Dane perceived that they were representative of a transformation process ...but some symbols for certain degrees of the Zodiac didn't seem to fit in. When Dane learned that Elsie lived just a couple of hours drive away in San Diego, Dane went a calling on Miss Elsie and questioned her as to whether she could remember what it was she specifically saw for those questionable degrees...and Elsie did Dane one better, she had all 360 of the original cards that Marc had written a Sing and degree on and then wrote on the back of each card what it was Elsie saw for that degree...[the cards were constantly shuffled and drawn randomly, btw] Dane was right, Marc had changed a number of the symbols from what Elsie saw so as to fit his preconceived notion of what they represented to him
By the time everything was worked out, Marc not only gave Dane his permission to write a book on the 360 symbols but also to change any that Dane thought should be to be more really understood. Dane did change a few but He always tells the reader of the book when one of those comes up and gives the original description of it also.
He did a fantastic job of it...in fact a couple of those that He did chose to change were very big in convincing me of the veracity of the entire set and system
Dane's studying of the works of Carl Jung, Nietzsche, Zen and Vedic philosophy along with other related subjects prepared him for the study of the 360 Sabian Symbols, in fact I believe it made him the preeminently qualified person to recognize them for what they are and define, interpret, and explain them to the world. I am certain that He was surely destined to do just that.
Dane apparently got a bit more involved with the Theosophists than most people want to suspect as for He also met and married, his first wife, Marla Contento,, whom according to wikipedia, was secretary to independent Theosophist Will Levington Comfort and that it was Will Comfort that introduced Rudhyar to Marc Edmund Jones,
I had always heard that Maria was Leadbetter's secretary and hat it was Annie that encouraged Dane to study astrology and introduced Him t Marc. Annie also encouraged Dane to write his first book, a book on Astrology that she also published through the Theosophists publishing house. It was in 1935 that "The Astrology of Personality" first was printed, just a few years after Dane had begun studying astrology, yet it was the only book on astrology to make the London Times "100 Greatest Books of the 20th Century" list.
I had been studying both Rudhyar and the writings of Edgar Cayce for many years before I found out both were influenced by an alleged ascended being that is know by the name of Saint Germain. In fact I ha been studying the readings of Edgar since I was 8 years old as my parents were such avid students of the reading themselves and amassed a small private library of material about and by Edgar. It wasn't until I was past 50 years old that I learned of his connection with the legendary Saint G. As for Rudhyar, It was at least 20 years after I began studying astrology and the Sabian Symbols together.... both about the same time.
An American student of yoga, a one time certified teacher of T.M., and a sisya [a disciple] of Dyhanyogi Madhusudandas, that was given the sat nam of Suryakant, that I met in August of 2003 is whom gave me my greatest "leg up" in a hurry...really got me up to speed in understanding how the Sabians work through the natal chart axis. He also enlightened me as to whom my own sadguru was... that I had been under that gurus care and guidance since the first day I practiced yoga in 1968...it was all there in a rare book He had by Swami Sivananda, Swami of the Japa Order of Yoga of India, until He went into mahasamadhi in 1962 or 63{?}
I had darshan with Swami Sivananda in a vivid dream in 1974 ... didn't know whom it was for about a year until I saw his photo of the back cover of his successor, Swami Satchitananda's book.
When I got my publisher through the assistance of an old school chum and as I asked for some help in writing it from the publisher, the publisher arranged for one of his more prolific authors to help me and she lives in Oregon. I never did meet her face to face but she was of great help for psychological help [moral support] and when I told my yogi friend of my good luck in getting an accomplished author to assist me He asked me her name, and I told him, Dorothy Leon. He had the silliest grin and look of a sort of wry awe and then He said to me, I know her, she's a friend of mine. She's the only living disciple of Saint Germaine.
There's this 'thing" about the "Sun" that is so much a part of this endeavor...it was prophecies by Rudolf Steiner, the German Theosophist, that there would be souls from the past reincarnating in time for the new millenia that would bring forth true astrological understanding. I started doing Vedic sun rituals in 2001, the name Surya is a one of the 72 names in Sanskrit of the Sun, it means "He whom induces activity" . The Dhyanyogi stopped off in little podunk Orangevale in 1979 on his way back to India. He spoke at a local Christian church of no specific affiliation. I saw the announcement but couldn't make it. Very few did show up. He took one from the audience to be a disciple and 24 years later that person meets up with me and passes along to me, from his guru, just what I was in need of, just what I was looking for.
"Keep the trans-Himalayan link unbroken" were the words of Madam Blavatsky... they will ultimately save the Western world from going down the pipe...save it from itself.... with the help from those that have ascended...among whom just might be one so named, so called anyways, as Saint Germaine... never met him myself...but I know that whatever his or her name is, that they have been by my side for many a trial and tribulation.
There might be legitimate charts for the United States pertaining to certain specific subjects...such as the Stock Market, the Federal Reserve System, etc. But I do know that the "Zero Hour" chart is the only genuine natal chart that concerns us Americans as a whole society.
I posted a thread explaining the chart axis of it back in 2012 in this mundane sub-forum, I hope that you can find the time to read it. I think you'll be convinced of its authenticity once you do...it is just so fitting....
I've got an amazing accounting astrologically of the natal chart and its influence, relevance, all through the Civil War...just awesome in depth and the number of indications through those five years and beyond.
I was going to write a book on the subject and then Phoenix Venus indicated she would like to do that...it's in stasis presently. Phoenix V is on an extended sabbatical...some time away ...it can be so overwhelming, so exhausting.
