Winter Solstice in USA chart

piercethevale

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Here's the chart for the very moment the Sun went into Capricorn at 5:02:22 a.m. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania EST, today.

Lots of 1st degree activity , just check out the Asc. of the moment, the Sun and Mercury and Jupiter and Saturn, all in the 1st degree with three Signs involved, all sequential Signs, too, i.e. Scorpio, Capricorn, and Aquarius.

Lot's of 24th degree activity with three planets in the 24th degrees of three different signs and if we are to consider the Part of Fortune at that moment then we have four in four sequential Signs. Those are Pluto in Cap., Po Fortune in Aquar., Moon in Pisces, and Mars in Aries.

Uranus retrograde and about to conjunct Lilith is a bit of a possible concern.

Adjust any USA natal chart for 244 years, 5 months and 17 days of Sidereal precession for consideration of current transiting influences to be in conjunction. Sabian Symbols always remain constant to the Tropical Zodiac, however.

Thus while the USA's Part of War is now just a bit under 3* 30' further along from where it was at the time of the nations birth, the M.C. of this chart is in the same degree it originally was and shares the same Sabian Symbol, that for the 15th degree of Virgo. Yet the M.C. is also within a one degree orb of conjunction with the, adjusted for the Sidereal precession, Astrological Part of Ancestral Heritage derived from the USA natal chart [The "Zero Hour" chart, i.e. 12:00:01 a.m. July 4, 1776, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania] which by the natal chart was at 11* Virgo 48' 10", and the M.C. is also within a one degree orb of conj. with the, adjusted for the Sidereal precession, Astrological Part of Sons, given by the natal chart to have been at 10* Virgo 26' 14"

The Sabian Symbol for this charts' Part of Fortune is [from Dane Rudhyars book, "An Astrological Mandala"]

"AQUARIUS 24°: A MAN, HAVING OVERCOME HIS PASSIONS, TEACHES DEEP WISDOM IN TERMS OF HIS EXPERIENCE.

KEYNOTE:
The constructive use to which difficult past experiences can be put as examples for those who are still striving to overcome their passions.

Every type of experience can be made to serve a spiritual purpose. Every man or woman, however humble his or her status, can be an example to younger people who are still struggling to overcome or control the compulsive drives of their emotional-biological natures. Whoever has managed a difficult performance contributes to the collective wisdom of his community and of mankind. Every achievement is to be passed on to those who may be inspired by it to greater and more adequate efforts.

At this fourth stage of the sixty-fourth subcycle we are given a never-to-be-forgotten hint: it is the responsibility of anyone who has taken one step ahead in his evolution to help others to take that step. This is true education. The Keyword is
COMMUNICABILITY
."


Perhaps a mellowed President Trump delivering his farewell to the nation speech? :unsure:

...Ya never know....

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blackbery

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Thank you, very interesting. I like the Moon-Neptune H 4. Nostalgia, love of country, love of History.

Almost all the planets in the Northern Hemisphere.


Here's the chart for the very moment the Sun went into Capricorn at 5:02:22 a.m. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania EST, today.

Lots of 1st degree activity , just check out the Asc. of the moment, the Sun and Mercury and Jupiter and Saturn, all in the 1st degree with three Signs involved, all sequential Signs, too, i.e. Scorpio, Capricorn, and Aquarius.

Lot's of 24th degree activity with three planets in the 24th degrees of three different signs and if we are to consider the Part of Fortune at that moment then we have four in four sequential Signs. Those are Pluto in Cap., Po Fortune in Aquar., Moon in Pisces, and Mars in Aries.

Uranus retrograde and about to conjunct Lilith is a bit of a possible concern.

Adjust any USA natal chart for 244 years, 5 months and 17 days of Sidereal precession for consideration of current transiting influences to be in conjunction. Sabian Symbols always remain constant to the Tropical Zodiac, however.

Thus while the USA's Part of War is now just a bit under 3* 30' further along from where it was at the time of the nations birth, the M.C. of this chart is in the same degree it originally was and shares the same Sabian Symbol, that for the 15th degree of Virgo. Yet the M.C. is also within a one degree orb of conjunction with the, adjusted for the Sidereal precession, Astrological Part of Ancestral Heritage derived from the USA natal chart [The "Zero Hour" chart, i.e. 12:00:01 a.m. July 4, 1776, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania] which by the natal chart was at 11* Virgo 48' 10", and the M.C. is also within a one degree orb of conj. with the, adjusted for the Sidereal precession, Astrological Part of Sons, given by the natal chart to have been at 10* Virgo 26' 14"

The Sabian Symbol for this charts' Part of Fortune is [from Dane Rudhyars book, "An Astrological Mandala"]

"AQUARIUS 24°: A MAN, HAVING OVERCOME HIS PASSIONS, TEACHES DEEP WISDOM IN TERMS OF HIS EXPERIENCE.

KEYNOTE:
The constructive use to which difficult past experiences can be put as examples for those who are still striving to overcome their passions.

Every type of experience can be made to serve a spiritual purpose. Every man or woman, however humble his or her status, can be an example to younger people who are still struggling to overcome or control the compulsive drives of their emotional-biological natures. Whoever has managed a difficult performance contributes to the collective wisdom of his community and of mankind. Every achievement is to be passed on to those who may be inspired by it to greater and more adequate efforts.

At this fourth stage of the sixty-fourth subcycle we are given a never-to-be-forgotten hint: it is the responsibility of anyone who has taken one step ahead in his evolution to help others to take that step. This is true education. The Keyword is
COMMUNICABILITY
."


Perhaps a mellowed President Trump delivering his farewell to the nation speech? :unsure:

...Ya never know....

USA-Winter-Solstice-12-21-2020.png
 

piercethevale

Well-known member
Thank you, very interesting. I like the Moon-Neptune H 4. Nostalgia, love of country, love of History.

Almost all the planets in the Northern Hemisphere.

"Nostalgia, love of country, love of History."
A most astute observation, thank you.

That really hist a note here as for what the Sabian Symbols are for this charts' axis.

If we analyze it just as like we do a natal chart through those symbols. The Asc. the "WHO", and in this case being "WHO" the American people collectively are at this point in time, the Desc. being the "WHERE-TO", that where we need to collectively arrive at.

[from Dane Rudhyar's book on the SAbian Symbols, "An Astrological Mandala"}

"SAGITTARIUS 1°: RETIRED ARMY VETERANS GATHER TO REAWAKEN OLD MEMORIES.

KEYNOTE:

The will to reaffirm the value of the struggle upon which civilization and group-achievements are founded.


Two important factors are revealed in this symbol: the men who have come together are Army men, and they are linked by actions and a type of consciousness that have roots in a common past. What we call “civilization” is built by constant struggles against nature, for it seeks to wrench power from nature. This element of power is seen in its most obvious aspect in the military consciousness. Moreover, all civilization is built upon the accumulated products of the experiences of past generations of dedicated men who agree to follow rather rigid procedures of work. Veterans’ groups in all countries seek to rekindle in their members the old fire of well-fought battles; but the type of abstract or religious thinking normally related to the zodiacal sign, Sagittarius, also implies a special kind of 'fire'. It is a fire that burns the 'now' of natural living in order to build a greater 'tomorrow'. It is future-oriented It aspires to produce a
greater, wider civilization, even though it finds its roots in the harvest of mankind’s past. Comradeship and group activities are implied, but the togetherness is one of fighting spirits.

This is the first stage of the forty-ninth five-fold sequence of cyclic phases. The symbol should be understood in its widest and most basic meaning, not merely as the reunion of old comrades, but as referring to the very power implied in the process of civilization, as opposed to culture — thus to the
PERPETUATION of the spirit of struggle for power.
"

What Rudhyar stressed in his summation is most significant at this time: " The symbol should be understood in its widest and most basic meaning, not merely as the reunion of old comrades, but as referring to the very power implied in the process of civilization, as opposed to culture — thus to the PERPETUATION of the spirit of struggle for power."

So, as to the "WHERE-TO" of this chart, That's given in the symbolism of the Sabian for the 1st degree of Gemini. [ibid.]

"GEMINI 1°: A GLASS-BOTTOMED BOAT REVEALS UNDERSEA WONDERS.
KEYNOTE:
The revelation of unconscious energies and submerged psychic structures.
Within the relative security of a 'boat', an individual person can learn to be aware of the as yet hidden contents of man's collective Unconscious — provided this boat (that is to say, his ego that separates him from the collective planetary psyche of mankind) has been given a glass bottom. The conscious mind must have become, in part at least, translucent. This translucency is not direct openness. The window of the mind remains closed, but through it the individual can become aware of the outside — here 'outside' means the psychic depths below the normal level of consciousness.

At this first stage of the 'discovery' process one can only speak of vision, not identification. The feeling is one of wonder. 'I did not know this could exist! How beautiful' or "How exciting!"
A NEW DIMENSION OF REALITY is perceived by the earnest inquirer.


That is; as to seeing what is at the bottom of things, what's below the surface.... and it couldn't come at a better time, if you ask me?


I'll get to the other two axis points, the I.C. and the M.C. and what their Sabian Symbols represent as being the "HOW" and "WHY" in answerr to the question posed by the Asc. and Desc., the "WHO" and "WHERE-TO", when I can, maybe before tomorrow?
 
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piercethevale

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Please keep in mind that the above symbolically represents the collective consciousness of the American people at this time... it doesn't represent any one group exclusively, although you'll very likely to be able to see that it also exists in any one group you might choose to focus on.
 

piercethevale

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In the above chart the 15th degree of Pisces is found to be the I.C., the "HOW" of a mundane interpretation. It also just so happens to be my Hermetic Lot of Necessity, thus I know the symbolism quite well. [ibid.]

"PISCES 15°: AN OFFICER INSTRUCTING HIS MEN BEFORE A SIMULATED ASSAULT UNDER A BARRAGE OF LIVE SHELLS.

KEYNOTE:
The need for thorough rehearsing before any complex and inherently dangerous social ritual in which power is used or evoked.

In this fifth symbol of a series dealing with the confrontation with superpersonal group or occult power we see a picture which once again synthesizes what the four preceding symbols have implied, rather than stated. In social life, as well as occultism, conflict is always to be expected; one must prepare for it. At the close of the great cycle — in the zodiac, the sign Pisces — a deep-seated struggle is inevitable at least to some extent. It can be a struggle against the ghosts of the unfulfilled past, the 'unlived life', or a confrontation with accumulated and often-eluded karma. Indeed, Pisces refers to a period in the year during which many generals and admirals have been born. The rules of the game, at least in traditional forms of warfare, can be known. One may have to rehearse the dangerous play, just as our astronauts endlessly rehearsed every step in the moon-landings. Individual rashness cannot be tolerated. Even a deliberate sacrifice mustplay a well-conceived part — like the sacrifice of an important piece in a game of chess.

This is the last symbol in Scene Twenty-three. The entire scene dealt in various ways with the process of integration of the individual into a social Whole, a community, an occult Brotherhood. A concluding Keyword could be
VALORIZATION. The concept of group-value dominates the entire scene.
"

I think that Rudhyar's particular words, "In social life, as well as occultism, conflict is always to be expected; one must prepare for it.", are most significant here at this time.
To get to the bottom of what actually went down in the recent election is a most volatile subject at hand presently.
If an investigation is to be conducted then it must be done in a process that is thoroughly laid out and rehearsed before being undertaken. It must be done by a process that is known to all and agreed to by all before it is initiated... as Dane also stressed for this symbol, "Individual rashness cannot be tolerated."

Once the "TRUTH' is established, and is shown to be the unequivocal TRUTH, then the volatility of the matter will be alleviated ... for the most part, anyways... as there's always a hothead or two at anytime , for any cause, but an insignificant number of such.

Regarding the Sabian Symbol found for the M.C. in the 15th degree of Virgo, which also happens to be the position of the Part of War/Rage derived from the U.S.A.'s natal chart, and even though the active point of that Astrological Part must be adjusted for 244 years, 5 months and 20 days of Sidereal precession which as of 12/24/2020 is + 03* 25' 35" [one must add 04.195809 seconds of a degree per month] Yet even though that point of conjunction is now at 18* Virgo 14' 26", the Sabian Symbol found for the natal position of the USA's Part of War/Rage [Asc. + Mars - Pluto] will forever be the precept in association with that Part. That precept symbolized by the Sabian Symbol given for the 15th degree of Virgo.
The M.C. and the Sabian Symbol for the 15th degree of Virgo, in this case however, provides the "WHY" in answer to the other three points of the chart axis. [ibid.]

"VIRGO 15°: A FINE LACE HANDKERCHIEF, HEIRLOOM FROM VALOROUS ANCESTORS.

KEYNOTE:
The quintessence of deeds well done.

Root strength produces beautiful flowers. The neophyte who acts with determination, courage and discrimination while following 'in the footsteps' of his predecessors receives a symbolic prize from the Brotherhood ready to welcome him when he has fully proven himself on the battlefield where he meets his past, which tries to block his way. The mystic Beloved hands him what she has woven for him out of spiritual threads.

This is the last stage of the thirty-third sequence which also ends the eleventh scene, 'Characterization'. This scene began with the revelation in a portrait of salient features in a man's face. It ends with symbols which bring out the ultimate validity of the many efforts of generations of men toward the building of a beautiful and significant
CULTURE. The Man of Culture is, in the deepest and best sense of the term, the Aristocrat. He is the flowering of a line of ancestors who have accepted responsibility for a group or community. Likewise, the true 'disciple' is the blossom that crowns a long series of incarnations."



I find of particular significance here, Dane's words, "...symbols which bring out the ultimate validity of the many efforts of generations of men toward the building of a beautiful and significant CULTURE. The Man of Culture is, in the deepest and best sense of the term, the Aristocrat. He is the flowering of a line of ancestors who have accepted responsibility for a group or community.

Can you now all understand "WHY" an investigation must be conducted?

Even the lowest of our society, the drunkards, the drug addicts, you must rise to the moment, and at least put on a temporary semblance of being that of a an American citizen that respects what the Founding Fathers built here, what so many have died for since, and see that the right thing is done.
We have the responsibility of seeing that a tradition of Democratic excellence continues on. Do not let this nation be handed, tarnished and corrupted, to the following generations.
I don't care what kind of life you lead behind the closed door of your own home but publicly act like the kind of citizen our forefathers envisioned that we would become, a charitable, merciful people, but also strong, resolute, and upholding of our constitution... and willing to die in defending it if necessary.
Honor that and by doing so let future generations know that it will then be their obligation to do the same. ... to fail to do so will lead only to ultimate ruin and a waste of the last 244 years.
We must maintain the integrity of the democratic process of voting.
Once that is lost... we are lost forever.

I SAY LET THERE BE AN INVESTIGATION, CONDUCT IT AS TO THE MEANS BY WHICH ALL AGREE TO BEFORE IT IS COMMENCED, AND THEN LET THE TRUTH BE KNOWN.

...AND ABIDE BY THE FINAL OUTCOME.


... and if the elected does us dirty, we'll impeach them.... but with solid evidence the next time, Okay?
 
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piercethevale

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Those of you that are of the Christian faith it might interest you to know that Neptune presently is in the 19th degree of Pisces, which is the same degree that the natal chart I produced, am convinced is and do contend is the true natal chart of Yeshu'a/Jesus of Nazareth produces for its Part of Fortune The Sabian Symbol for which is [ibid.] "A MASTER INSTRUCTS HIS DISCIPLE" Neptune has been in and out of this particular degree since late April 2019 and will make its final exit this January 22nd, upcoming.
It will be another 164 years before Neptune returns to conjunct it again.

While Neptune is immersed in this precept, I have to imagine that it is an opportune time to reflect, to meditate, upon what He did instruct all his disciples to do, to be as like, and try to embody the same all the more into yourself and your daily life among others.

Despite what former president Obama would have you otherwise believe... this is a Christian nation, it was founded as such, built upon such principles, and will endure as such. Which doesn't mean that other beliefs aren't, or shouldn't be tolerated...quite the contrary, as my own Quaker ancestors so diligently set out to prove and did so demonstrate.
WE ARE ONE NATION UNDER GOD.
 
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