The Astrology of Plagues

JUPITERASC

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Hey, sorry for the late reply, I was pretty busy. As for your question, most likely after March next year we'll start to see things calm down. We've got the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction coming up soon, and from the looks of it, it looks like it's going to be a continuation of the restriction themes we've had this year for the first couple of months of 2021.

astrologer John Gadbury
found a correlation between intensity of plague
and the positions of Mars and Venus. :smile:

Gadbury noted that Plague deaths increased sharply
when Mars moved into an astrologically significant position.
Deaths then abated when Venus’s position became more significant.

John Gadbury concluded that

the movement of “....the fiery Planet Mars...”
was the origin of pestilence and the “...cause of its raging...”
while the influence of the “...friendly...” Venus helped abate it.

Former lead investigator
who spearheaded a taskforce for the US government
into the origins of COVID-19
has declared the virus may have been the result of
work done for a biological weapons program in Wuhan.


David Asher – a now senior fellow at the Hudson Institute
– spoke about investigations
into the origins of COVID-19
and suspicions as to who
may have been first infected
with the virus in Wuhan.
He spoke of Wuhan Institute of Virology
and the theory
it may have developed SARS-COV-2
while working on
a potential coronavirus vaccine.

The possible vaccine was potentially being developed
as an antidote to a bioweapen, he said :smile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBq-LV3Jm1M


"....Whether they were developing this vaccine, if it exists
as an antidote is hard to know
There's going to be the need for a huge global investigation
well beyond the WHO because
events and information have arisen
which made us feel the Wuhan Institute was highly probably
the source of the COVID epidemic..."



Edit: Just to elaborate, the restriction themes are gonna be especially pronounced during the first two months while Jupiter is conjunct Saturn. Jupiter's about to leave Capricorn, but it's still going to have its energies mixed with Saturn even though it'll be in Aquarius. By March the conjunction will be over with, but Jupiter is still going to be in Aquarius, one of Saturn's signs in traditional astrology, so things will probably lighten up to some extent after March, but not entirely.
 

CapAquaPis

Well-known member
Mundane astrology mentions some places in the world with strong rulership of Leo, the sun sign and said to represent diseases (same with the namesake sign before Leo...Cancer) have a high likelihood and incidence of past epidemics.

The nations of Italy and Spain (esp northern regions of Italy notably Lombardy and surrounding Madrid like the region of Leon) were one of the most infected in the COVID pandemic, but their history of the "Spanish" flu and many other plagues in the Italian renaissance indicates their communities' repeated fates. Not surprising, Leon in Spain means "Lion" and something on the line of 15% in spring-summer 2020 to now over 50% of their residents today were possibly infected by COVID, this placed them among the world's most infected places.

The US esp states that meet the hardest hit COVID infected region of the south, west and central: Texas and Oklahoma, are designated as "Leo" places, were probably the most infected states. The inland regions in the US beyond 100 miles of the Pacific and anywhere south of the Potomac and west of Pittsburgh had state and local governments were opposed to many COVID restrictions. Can you imagine 15-19% of a state (or country's) population tested positive and 60-70% were exposed to SARS-CoV-2/HCoV-2019 that causes COVID?

And here in CA, inland counties in the southern and central regions of the state had 10-15% of the county population infected and 50-60% were exposed? In Leonine places in the Low desert and southern San Joaquin valley, it's probable.
 

Opal

Premium Member
I just read, that contacts between Pluto and Uranus are common with plagues. Marjorie Orr. An Astrological History of the World.

So far not much on plagues, but I am still looking.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
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Jupiter is unfortunate in the Washington DC Aries Ingress chart
due to affliction of its location in Saturn-ruled Aquarius

BUT

Jupiter is strongly placed to ACT due to ascendant conjunction
and is not in sect
Sect tells us whether a Planet - or Light
- has the potential to perform the task or tasks
given to it
The POTENTIAL to act is not the same as
actually acting/performing.
and whether a Planet is Fortunate or Unfortunate
will tell you IF the Planet will actually perform

Edit: Just to elaborate, the restriction themes are gonna be especially pronounced during the first two months while Jupiter is conjunct Saturn. Jupiter's about to leave Capricorn, but it's still going to have its energies mixed with Saturn even though it'll be in Aquarius. By March the conjunction will be over with, but Jupiter is still going to be in Aquarius, one of Saturn's signs in traditional astrology, so things will probably lighten up to some extent after March, but not entirely.
Aries Ingress for Washington DC has ascendant Aquarius Jupiter Night chart
however Jupiter is a Diurnal planet and therefore
is out of sect for the Washington DC Aries Ingress :smile:



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sentR89day

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DC80

Well-known member
But in traditional Astrology, Pluto doesn't even get considered in their readings?

Everything you know about Pluto is wrong. The Big Lie is Pluto entered Cancer in 1914 and caused WW I and so this false mystique about Pluto being the harbinger of death and destruction was concocted by people with extremely biased and prejudiced views who failed to do any research or apply astrological principles.

Pluto entered Cancer in 1912, not 1914. When you look at the previous Pluto Cancer Ingress in 1668, what happened? Nothing. There were no wars. There was nothing but peace. The only thing that happened is two wars that ended in 1667 had their treaties signed in 1668 and one war that ended in 1666 and had a treaty signed in 1667 that went into effect in 1668.

For the prior Pluto Cancer Ingress in 1424 nothing happened. There was a minor conflict between England and France that was already in progress for several years and there were two minor insignificant battles but nothing more.

If you look at the ingresses prior to that nothing happened so there's no historical evidence that Pluto is the harbinger of death and destruction.

Traditionals already knew that because Cancer is neither a violent sign nor a human sign and without the confluence of human and violent signs you cannot have wars, violence, conflict etc.

I should probably point out that many prominent modern astrologers have gone back to traditional sign rulerships so the outer stars do not rule any signs. They're just out there. And that's because evidence keeps piling up that the initial interpretations of the outer stars conjured up are wrong.
 

DC80

Well-known member
That or an economic crash, at least if they meet in a cardinal sign. This time around, it was both.

Last time Jupiter and Pluto conjoined was 2007-2008. They initially met in Sagittarius, then both transited to Capricorn and made another exact conjunction. That was the worldwide recession.

Their next conjunction after 1918-19 was at the beginning of the Great Depression. Pluto itself was discovered by astronomers during that time.

Not on this planet. On this planet the Great Depression in the US began in 1929. If you want to be technical, you could say it started with the recession in 1925. During that recession, stock prices reached record highs each month. When the recession ended, stock prices collapsed somewhat.

The next recession started 2 years later in 1928 and continued through June 1929. Stock prices set weekly record highs during that recession. When the recession ended in June 1929, stock prices collapsed, then collapsed again in September 1929 and then the bottom fell out in October 1929.

Unsurprisingly, the DJIA did not return to the record high it set during the recession of 1928-1929 until the recession in 1960. During the recession that lasted from 1960 to 1961 stocks set record highs each week until reaching the high set in 1929 but dropped slightly after the recession ended in 1961 and then started increasing again. Stock prices continued their trend of setting record highs during the recessions in the late 1960s, the 1970s recessions and the one recession in the 1980s. That trend stopped with the 1990 recession.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Everything you know about Pluto is wrong. The Big Lie is Pluto entered Cancer in 1914 and caused WW I and so this false mystique about Pluto being the harbinger of death and destruction was concocted by people with extremely biased and prejudiced views who failed to do any research or apply astrological principles.

Pluto entered Cancer in 1912, not 1914. When you look at the previous Pluto Cancer Ingress in 1668, what happened? Nothing. There were no wars. There was nothing but peace. The only thing that happened is two wars that ended in 1667 had their treaties signed in 1668 and one war that ended in 1666 and had a treaty signed in 1667 that went into effect in 1668.

For the prior Pluto Cancer Ingress in 1424 nothing happened. There was a minor conflict between England and France that was already in progress for several years and there were two minor insignificant battles but nothing more.

If you look at the ingresses prior to that nothing happened so there's no historical evidence that Pluto is the harbinger of death and destruction.

Traditionals already knew that because Cancer is neither a violent sign nor a human sign and without the confluence of human and violent signs you cannot have wars, violence, conflict etc.

I should probably point out that many prominent modern astrologers have gone back to traditional sign rulerships so the outer stars do not rule any signs. They're just out there. And that's because evidence keeps piling up that the initial interpretations of the outer stars conjured up are wrong.

Pluto doesn't reflect light....Pluto doesn't carry a message for us
You can't see pluto with the naked eye.

- we assume that because pluto is in our solar system
it should be added to our astrological calculations.

There are thousands of Pluto Like objects in the orbit of the sun
so
IF we are using pluto we should be using those planets too.


The fact the outers carry no visible light
is a major detriment to their inclusion into the classical framework.
Astrology evolved alongside ancient optical theories
and these theories still permeate astrological discourse to this day.
Planets in aspect are said to "..see.." or "..regard.." one another
and their light is often considered a transmitter of their influence
for example: HORARY TRANSLATION OF LIGHT

Modernistic outer planets lack the tools that the classical planets have.
This isn't just referring to dignities - though that is a large part of it
- but they also lack nature, sect, gender, years, winds, orbs, signatures

Without these associations,
modernistic outer planets are essentially blank orbs without instruction or meaning.
&
Meanings contemporary astrologers have given to them
either
1) don't make sense within their own context
or
2) are already taken by another planet.


The meanings assigned to them are based on mythological interpretations
or
perceived mundane events happening around the time of their discovery.
The mythological meanings are cherry picked & often nonsensical
for example :
Uranus ruling rebellion, but in the myth Ouranos is the tyrannical dictator, not the freedom fighter. :)

The mundane events are definitely cherry picked
as there are many important events happening around the world at any given time.
Pluto was discovered in 1930 and has taken on an association with nuclear force
but 1930s - The Great Depression
and
never heard anyone associate Pluto with financial ruination :)

Pluto's transformation/general heavy-handedness are the domains of Mercury and Saturn.

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DC80

Well-known member
When observing the mundane chart you should start with the ascendant, and then observe what is going on through each of the houses.

Each country will be feeling the affects differently, as each handle the crisis in different ways, each having a different chart depicting them.

The ascendant is said to control the amount of time said issues will last. Fixed signs being the longest and cardinal the shortest. With covid being worldwide, it is hard to determine time as there is no way to achieve an accurate world chart.

But looking at individual nations or cities charts, it is possible to observe all of the areas that are affected by Covid in each individual country’s or cities chart.

The most reliable mundane technique for countries is to cast an Aries Ingress chart for the year of founding for that country and the rising sign on the ingress represents the country.

The US was founded in 1781. It is a matter of historical fact and record that nothing happened on July 4th 1776 nor could it have happened. The only two copies of the Declaration of Independence that ever existed were both signed on August 2nd.

In 1945, Congress was made aware of the truth and debated changing Independence Day from July 4th to August 2nd but chose not to do that for reasons of political propaganda. The war in Germany had just ended and Americans wanted to bring the boys back home and the prospect of invading Japan and having the war last another 1-2 years just didn't sit well with most Americans. Congress needed the support of the people and believed that celebrating the holiday sooner rather than later in order to rouse the patriotism of Americans would sway public opinion.

The correct chart then would be for August 2nd, 1776 but that chart is tantamount to a conception chart. Or a chart cast for the date/time of someone's engagement.

A conception chart answers one and only one question and that is whether a child conceived will be born or not. Once the end is known, that chart is no longer valid.

An engagement chart is no different. It answers one and only one question and that is whether or not a couple will actually tie the knot. Once the end is known, the chart is no longer valid.

A chart cast for an independence declaration by any group or ethnic group or nation is no different. It answers one and only one question and that is whether or not the bid for independence is successful or fails.

Once the bid for independence is concluded with either a success or a fail that chart is no longer valid for anything.

So even if you cast a chart for August 2nd, 1776 and you rectified it and you should be able to do rectify it since the end is clearly known with the signing of a treaty between England and the States and ratified/adopted in accordance with the Articles of Confederation, then that chart is no longer valid.

Palestine Declaration.jpg


This chart clearly shows the bid for independence by Palestine to be DOA aka Dead on Arrival.

That much is clear due to the ruler of the 8th place being in the 1st place. Palestine is indirectly the cause of is own failure to achieve independence.

The Aries Mars in the 7th place square a 4th place Capricorn Saturn and opposing the 1st place ruler Venus proves conclusively that the enemy or enemies of Palestine will be overwhelmingly victorious.

Palestine never had a chance. Look, ma, no Pluto!

Ptolemy says the US is Sagittarius. That's because both capitols in Philadelphia and Washington are in the 6th zone which is Sagittarius.

Ptolemy says Britain is Aries because it's in 7th zone and Ukraine is Aquarius but I reject both of those on astrological principles and not whimsical knee-jerk emotionally romantic fantasies like Campion and others do.

I use 1066 for Britain instead of 925 but I'm not a hypocrite. What happened in 1066 is a foreign power, a foreign nation, a foreign ethnic group, a foreign culture came to Britain and set up shop. This foreign power became the government. This foreign power imposed its language, its legal system and is culture on the people. This foreign power also booted most of the English and Anglo-Saxon lords and replaced them with Norman French vassals. That isn't just lipstick on a pig. Those are radical changes that had a long-lasting permanent effect.

So you can use Noon on December 25, 1066 or take Scorpio from the 1066 Aries Ingress to represent Britain. That Britain changed its name, changed constitutions, changed types of government (from monarchy to constitutional monarchy for instance), gained territory, gained colonies, lost territory, lost colonies doesn't matter. It's 1066.

Ukraine was Aquarius right up until Vikings came down the river and set up the Kiev Dynasty (and they sailed down another river and set up the Moscow Dynasty). Vikings coming from Moscow to Kiev doesn't change anything and we know that because you don't throw out people's birth charts and cast new ones because they got married or divorced. Astrological principles.

Like an infant, the US drew its first breath on or about 9:00 am on March 2nd, 1781. I could waste time trying to rectify the chart or I could cast Aries Ingress for that year and not surprisingly it is Sagittarius. Because it is, we cast the Mars/Saturn conjunction in Sagittarius which happens every 30 years roughly. For Britain, you'd do Mars/Saturn in Scorpio.

We get this:

Mars-Saturn 2016.jpg


Mars/Saturn at Sagittarius 8° is an indicator of plague not because it's at that degree but because it's at that degree and in the 4th place and the ruler of the 7th is in the 1st place and being in the 4th place means Mars rules the 8th and both being in opposition to Fortune.

The government in mundane is represented by Saturn, the 10th place ruler and Sun. When you profect the chart to April 26, 2020 Mars/Saturn are in the 8th place at Aries 0° and STUPID-19 ramps up and States start initiating lock-downs. Note that puts Capricorn in the 9th and Aquarius on the 10th ruled by 8th place Saturn.

The 9th place is where you find actions by government and/or civil authorities, specifically crack-downs. Bonatti says to pay particular attention to Saturn in the 9th or ruling the 9th because government crack-downs can range from putting down civil disturbances violent or not to ending mass strikes to economic measures such as wage and price freezes, rationing, or other actions due to food shortages, drought, war and such to cracking down on specific groups causing the government angst.

For purposes of timing, in January 2020 Saturn and Sun are both in Capricorn and then Sun exits into Aquarius while Mars enters Capricorn and there's where you'd see the lock-downs actually starting. I should also mention the waning out of sect bad Moon ruling the chart's 9th place ends up by profection in the 1st place.

Mars/Saturn in the last 20° of Sagittarius (when other indicators are present) shows pestilence which is similar to but not the same thing as plague. One reason the Black Death lasted so long is because it was pestilence and not plague so the difference is not so subtle as some would believe.

Of the mutable signs Sagittarius is the most mutable so you'd expect a quick/sudden change which is what we saw when STUPID-19 morphed into less virulent forms.

This chart also has a stationary Mercury and where you find stationary stars they normally do not portend good.

The Aries Ingress chart is not the correct technique. That's a corruption due to transmission errors. You should be casting the New Moon chart that occurs just prior to the ingress unless a star goes stationary between the lunation and the ingress and then you cast a chart for the date/time when the star goes on station.
 

david starling

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Saturn is associated with the "Grim Reaper"', a robed figure carrying Saturn's ancient symbol, the harvest scythe, which arose during the "Black Death", bubonic plague years in the 14th Century. Whether or not it was actual astrologers at the time who connected Saturn with the plague, is another matter.
 
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