Traditional astrology chart - Online calculator

[JUPITERASC]

Also, one planet may rise while another sets
which corresponds to an opposition between the oblique ascension of one body
and oblique descension of the other.
Or, one body may transit the upper meridian
while the other transits the lower meridian
which corresponds to an opposition in right ascension.
These two types of parans ROBERT HAND refers to as opposition parans.

[JUPITERASC]

Finally, one body may transit the meridian circle, upper or lower,
while another rises or sets.
These can be found whenever the right ascension of one body
squares the oblique ascension or oblique descension of another.
These ROBERT HAND refers to as square parans.
No other type of paran can be formed


For example, an opposition in oblique descension is not a paran
nor is one in oblique ascension.
No can one have a paran when an oblique descension is conjunct an oblique ascension.
Squares in right ascension are also not parans.
Because there are only four angles to be transited
there are no paran trines or sextiles
only squares and oppositions.


Another point:
parans may have little resemblance to traditional aspects.
Planets in a square paran may be in zodiacal trine!
Planets in an opposition paran, usually oblique ascension to oblique descension
may be in a zodiacal quincunx!
Paran conjunctions may be several degrees wide in longitude
but exact in oblique ascension, oblique descension or right ascension.

[JUPITERASC]

Although there are differences in the details
both astrological tradition and research
tells us that the planets acquire greater impact on the chart
when they are near an angle
i.e. the Ascendant, the Midheaven, the Descendant or Imum Coeli.
the peak of a planet's energy Tradition suggests
is near the angles in the angular houses.

Whatever the detailed truth may be
it is clear that planets have a fourfold rhythm of intensity.
Each planet peaks in influence four times a day as it rises, culminates, sets
and makes its lower culmination.
Now let us suppose that two planets are situated
such that they will both have transit angles simultaneously
possibly the same angle in simultaneous rising
or different angles, as with one rising while the other sets
or culminates.

It would seem logical to suppose that if this siutation arises
the two planets' peaking cycles
would be at least somewhat coordinated.
Might this not link the energies of the two planets in a manner similar to an aspect?
For example, if on a certain day Saturn rises with Mars culminating peak
causing a Mars and Saturn peak of energy to coincide
thus linking Mars and Saturn.
This is not merely a hypothesis but one of the most ancient of all astrological inclinations.
The Babylonians used these angle linkings
long before aspects on the ecliptic.
One has to remember that Babylonian astrology was an observational one
and that the horizon and meridian circles
are much more easily seen outdoors than the ecliptic.

Ptolemy discusses these linkings in Almagest at great length. Unfortunately, not too much has been stated about the influence of these linkings
but there are enough ancient records left
to indicate that they were considered to be important.
They were called in Greek "parantellonta" in plural
and "parantellonton" in singular.

[JUPITERASC]

.....it is not clear what differences there might be among the various types of parans.
The importance of parans for this discussion is
that they take latitude and declination into consideration

The important thing is not that two bodies will conjoin two angles in longitude,
ut that together they cross the great circles
the horizon and meridian
that define the angles.

It is important to note
The planets in question do not need to be actually on the angles
in a chart to be in a paran.
They only need to be in such a relationship that
if the earth were rotated until these planets came to the angles,
they would both cross the angles together.

It has also been demonstrated
that paran relationships between natal and transiting bodie
sin other words, paran transits
can be important.

Another fact about parans is that they depend upon the latitude of location.

The important thing is not that two bodies will conjoin two angles in longitude
but that they cross the great circle of the horizon or meridian
Thus paran transits are affected by changing geographic latitude.

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by kaktuzz

You are welcome!

I have 2 questions ... just for sure:


When two or more planets are simultaneously on THE SAME, adjacent or opposite angles
they are said to be in paranatellonta.

1) does it mean, that it counts also for conjunction of the planet & star & angle?
(=planets are in conjunction and also in paranatellonta)



2) what about orbs? I've read an older topic, where dr.farr metioned this:

I use the following orbs (of longtitude, and of parallel in declination), based on star magnitudes:
1st mag = 3 degree orb; 2 degree orb of parallel
2nd mag & 3rd mag = 2 degree orb; 1.5 degree orb of parallel
4th & 5th mag = 1 degree orb; 1 degree orb of parallel

Can I use this settings as default? Or do you have any other suggestion about orbs?


I'm sending my tropical chart, where:
https://i.imgur.com/wmpgHgc.gif
- Jupiter Sag 8°19' conjuncts IC Sag 5°30' (2°49'orb)
- Jupiter Sag 8°19' conjuncts Antares Sag 9°32' (1°13' orb)
- Antares Sag 9°32' "conjuncts"(?) IC Sag 5°30' (3°58'orb)


What about this situation? I suppose that Antares and IC are "out of the allowed orb", so there is no paranatellonta between Jupiter and Antares?
(and if the orb would be tighter <3° => would it be paranatellonta?)

How To Find Parans
The mathematics of finding parans is a bit complicated
involving extensive spherical trig.
However, some of the major computer services have added them to their list of options.


The usual format is to give the sidereal time
or the right ascension of the Midheaven
at the time each of the bodies would rise, culminate, set and make the lower culmination

Thus there are four S.T.'s or RAMC's per planet.
If any one of the four S.T.'s or RAMC's of any planet is conjunct
any one of the four S.T.'s or RAMC's of another planet
they are in paran.

[JUPITERASC]

Declination, Parallels, and Parans
What is a parallel?
We know what it is mathematically
but we are not too clear about why it has significance.
It has already been pointd out that declination is not the vertical dimension of longitude.

It is the vertical dimension of right ascension.
So why do parallels have significance?
The answer according to ROBERT HAND is connected with parans

Because of the geometry of planetary transits over the angles
one cannot say that if Saturn rises while Mars culminates
Saturn will necessarily culminate while Mars sets.

In other words, a paran on one pair of angles
does not mean that there will be parans on other pairs of angles at the same time.

There is an exception to this, however.
If two bodies are also in parallel of declination
when they are in paran, they will always transit the angles in pairs
and be in paran on any pair of angles.

Contraparallels also synchronize
the rising, culminating, setting, and lower culmination patterns
of pairs of planets, but not as perfectly as parallels.


ROBERT HAND believes therefore
that parallels of declination are of the same family of linkage
that parans are
and are not related to zodiacal aspects at all.
Otherwise there is no reasonable explanation for parallels
and contra-parallels.

Note that eclipses of the Sun are also parallels
and that the Sun conjunct Moon while parallel Moon will transit all angles simultaneously.
Thus an eclipse is both a zodiacal and a paran aspect.
ROBERT HAND says maybe this is part of the reason eclipses are so powerful

[kaktuzz]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

Thus there are four S.T.'s or RAMC's per planet.
If any one of the four S.T.'s or RAMC's of any planet is conjunct
any one of the four S.T.'s or RAMC's of another planet
they are in paran.

Thanks for comprehensive set of informations JUPITERASC!

I will dig into it during next days and I will see, how it goes

This "S.T.'s or RAMC's of any planet" vs "S.T.'s or RAMC's of another planet" method seems very reasonable ... and I hope also do-able

[kaktuzz]

Originally Posted by passiflora

Oh, what a nice chart you have kaktuzz. Cheers!

Cheers passiflora! :P

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by kaktuzz

Thanks for comprehensive set of informations JUPITERASC!

I will dig into it during next days and I will see, how it goes

This "S.T.'s or RAMC's of any planet" vs "S.T.'s or RAMC's of another planet" method seems very reasonable ... and I hope also do-able

That's good news kaktuzz - have fun - many thanks

[kaktuzz]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

That's good news kaktuzz - have fun - many thanks

Hello JUPITERASC,

Parans are still NOT finished ... but I have been playing with fixed stars recently and finally made an option to display various groups of fixed stars in circular natal chart.

horoscopes.astro-seek.com/fixed-stars-in-natal-chart-astrology-calculator

(there is also a direct link at the bottom of Traditional chart page - "Display Fixed Stars in Natal chart")

= one small step closer to parans

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by kaktuzz

Hello JUPITERASC,
Parans are still NOT finished

... but I have been playing with fixed stars recently
and finally made an option to display various groups of fixed stars

in circular natal chart.

horoscopes.astro-seek.com/fixed-stars-in-natal-chart-astrology-calculator

(there is also a direct link at the bottom of Traditional chart page - "Display Fixed Stars in Natal chart")

= one small step closer to parans

kaktuzz you are simply a star - many thanks

[kaktuzz]

Annual Profections calculator (Hellenistic method) has some new options:

horoscopes.astro-seek.com/annual-profections-astrology-calculator

1) Circular graphical chart

2) Annual/Montly/Daily time-lord list ... with the option to start profections form any planet, angle or lot

[JUPITERASC]

Hi kaktuzz - thanks for all these useful new options
traditionally MARS SATURN CONJUNCTIONS are significant
and
would be interesting
to have a SIDEREAL as well as a TROPICAL listing
of when these occur

i

[kaktuzz]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

Hi kaktuzz - thanks for all these useful new options
traditionally MARS SATURN CONJUNCTIONS are significant
and
would be interesting
to have a SIDEREAL as well as a TROPICAL listing
of when these occur

i

Hi JUPITERASC!

1) MUNDANE transit aspects are possible to find using this "Aspect Search Engine (1800-2100)" tool :
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/astrology-aspects-online-search-engine
(... and I just added also sidereal option, so it's possible to search Saturn&Mars conjunctions in both Tropical and Sideral zodiacs


2) PERSONAL transit aspects are possible to find using this "Sidereal Natal Transits Search Engine" tool:
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/sidereal-natal-transits-astrology-calculator
- transiting sidereal Saturn -> conjunction 0° -> Natal sidereal Mars
- transiting sidereal Mars -> conjunction 0° -> Natal sidereal Saturn

[leomoon]

Originally Posted by kaktuzz

Hello JUPITERASC,

Parans are still NOT finished ... but I have been playing with fixed stars recently and finally made an option to display various groups of fixed stars in circular natal chart.

horoscopes.astro-seek.com/fixed-stars-in-natal-chart-astrology-calculator

(there is also a direct link at the bottom of Traditional chart page - "Display Fixed Stars in Natal chart")

= one small step closer to parans

I wonder if there is a means on the calculator to not show the fixed stars on the cusps of the houses. In otherwords, I'm fine with Aldebaren (an honored intelligence, lol), on my NN exact, but I don't want anything to do with Algol (11th house cusp Placidius) since its not on a planet..I wouldn't count as important.



Any idea to keep the 15 fixed stars, but only regarding the planets not the cusps.? (I'd be okay with the 4 angles, ASC MC IC DC however)


That would be my preference.


Other then that, I have no problem with "FREE" Great link...

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by kaktuzz

Hello JUPITERASC,

Parans are still NOT finished
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/fixed-stars-in-natal-chart-astrology-calculator

(there is also a direct link at the bottom of Traditional chart page - "Display Fixed Stars in Natal chart")

= one small step closer to parans

Thanks kaktuzz

[JUPITERASC]

more info on PARANS


Hellenistic Parans and Rotated Parans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9yXcoBMDyE

[Zeuses]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

Some astrologers prefer a swift visual analysis of aspects
so aspect lines are useful
those astrologers who do not require aspect lines
can simply ignore them

The software places Part of Fortune on ascendant
thus creates a "Fortuna Chart" easily
including bounds
and that's helpful for traditional beginners
https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology

Hi

I am currently trying to do a traditional chart however, I don't know what to choose under the sidereal options. Is there a specific one to choose?

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by Zeuses

Hi
I am currently trying to do a traditional chart
however, I don't know what to choose under the sidereal options.
Is there a specific one to choose?

I use and recmmend "...ALDEBARAN 15° TAU..."
scrolling down the list of SIDEREAL AYANAMSA options
it's just above GALACTIC CENTER option

your planets may change signs using SIDEREAL

[kaktuzz]

Hello,

little add-on again

Ephemeris Search Engine tool now works also in Sideral zodiac with various Ayanamsas ... and time span was enlarged from 1800-2100 to 500BC-2500AD

horoscopes.astro-seek.com/ephemeris-search-engine-astrology-planet-positions

(Thema Mundi might be found in Sidereal zodiac! - 17th August 0312))

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by kaktuzz

Hello,

little add-on again

Ephemeris Search Engine tool now works also in Sideral zodiac with various Ayanamsas ... and time span was enlarged from 1800-2100 to 500BC-2500AD

horoscopes.astro-seek.com/ephemeris-search-engine-astrology-planet-positions

(Thema Mundi might be found in Sidereal zodiac! - 17th August 0312))

Siriusly kaktuzz - maybe Thema Mundi is real

[little]

Hi kaktuzz
Will love the addition of Parans too. Useful especially for those stars further from ecliptic.
For Distribution through the bounds, will hope to have the option to distribute MC or Sun/Moon besides ASC.

Big thanks for the work, enabling astrologers.

[kaktuzz]

Originally Posted by little

Hi kakutzz
Will love the addition of Parans too. Useful especially for those stars further from ecliptic.
For Distribution through the bounds, will hope to have the option to distribute MC or Sun/Moon besides ASC.

Big thanks for the work, enabling astrologers.

Hi!

I still hope to finally implement those parans ... but I'm primarily trying to solve technical server issues of the last days/weeks/months (increasing traffic, database errors and inaccessibility in some foreign countries across the globe) and "thanks" to covid I also have to spent more time with kids at home

= not so many free time to implement new features these days

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by kaktuzz

Hi!
I still hope to finally implement those parans
... but I'm primarily trying to solve technical server issues
of the last days/weeks/months
(increasing traffic, database errors
and inaccessibility in some foreign countries across the globe)
and "thanks" to covid
I also have to spent more time with kids at home
= not so many free time to implement new features these days

we all appreciate the amazing work you have already done - thank you
your site is brilliant


.

[kaktuzz]

Hello!

Long time no see

I have been working on some kind of "Electional astrology calculator" for searching auspicious dates and charts ... and I'm happy to announce that there is the first public version to try:

horoscopes.astro-seek.com/electional-astrology-election-chart-online-calculator

It´s based on searching dates/charts with "optimal" Moon, Moon Ruler, ASC and ASC Ruler (with both traditional and modern rulerships) ... and there are available 5 different electional calculators and methods with various search filters, settings, time-ranges and time spans.

- Monthly elections by Moon aspects and Moon ingresses
- Monthly elections by Conjunctions with the Angles
- Weekly elections for a particular 3-hour time span
- Daily elections for a particular date
- Hourly elections for a particular 3-hour time span