Astrology and Physical Appearance (With ideas on human biology and psychology)

Sunset

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Someone did a chart reading for me here privately about the possible suited careers I could get and they mentioned that Lilith also plays a big part on my talents. I have Lilith very tightly conjunct my Sun and Venus all in the 10th house. They explained that besides the dark and somewhat femme fatale description of Lilith, it could also represent a great amount of energy being focused/emphasized in that area. But it may have been suppressed by many factors and this is supposedly one area that no one else should touch. I believe this could be a manifestation of passion! Like you said, once they're in good terms with it, the talent or energy could really shine.

my sis has Lilith-Mars too. And yes, she loves to dance. On the other hand, I'm incredibly expressive and really let myself go with music and singing. What we both have in common is passion for what we love doing. So inner strength and pure energy sounds about right.

Lilith when prominently placed can project raw energy/sexuality... this sounds similar to a Pluto influence. So maybe in a way, Lilith can contribute a little to magnetism? But obviously Pluto is better in that department. In what I've read about my Lilith placement, it's also a good placement for performers-- because the Lilith raw energy/sexuality is expressed publicly (10th house) and can draw in an audience. To have it in the 1st house could have a similar effect.

It’s really fun to read about Lilith, just because of the talents which are described. I can imagine that Lilith – Mars is powerfull too. In my book it is described that Lilith gives someone a pure concept of whatever it touches in the chart. So with Mars it should bring a pure understanding and feeling of the concept of drive and decisiveness.

I always get a little annoyed when Lilith is described by the dark and femme fatale energy. Because I don't feel it's right. It's feel pure and like you say like a strong energy. And because of the feminity in the energy it can bring sensuality or sexual energy. I think it depends on the placement. In a first, second, eight or tenth house it might more easily be expressed than, for example, the fourth house.

For me the energy it doesn’t feel dark at all. Except maybe the strength might be intimidating. But still not dark. The only darkness I can find, is in the denial and suppressing of the energy. Self denial is a form of self destruction and thus darkness.
 

Sunset

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What would Lilith retrograde in the ninth house mean?

Well, regardless of how important Lilith may be, Pluto is way more significant. In fact Pluto represents the most powerful things. Have you read anything about Sun trine Pluto aspect?

Yes I've started reading about Pluto, that was my first fascination in astrology. My second fascination is Lilith because Pluto interacts with Lilith when Pluto is transiting square Pluto.

It's a long story but in short, Lilith in the ninth house should bring a clear concept of knowing, just knowing how things really are. In a religious or spiritual manner. When the energy is denied someone lost touch with the energy and is in search for the truth through books or other people’s knowledge but never feels really satisfied. Travelling should help to get in touch with the original energy because it reminds of the difference between cultures and that no culture really corresponds with the inner knowing.

I don't know how a to interpret a retrograde in this case.
 
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Animatrix

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Yes I've started reading about Pluto, that was my first fascination in astrology. My second fascination is Lilith because Pluto interacts with Lilith when Pluto is transiting square Pluto.

It's a long story but in short, Lilith in the ninth house should bring a clear concept of knowing, just knowing how things really are. In a religious or spiritual manner. When the energy is denied someone lost touch with the energy and is in search for the truth through books or other people’s knowledge but never feels really satisfied. Travelling should help to get in touch with the original energy because it reminds of the difference between cultures and that no culture really corresponds with the inner knowing.

I don't know how a to interpret a retrograde in this case.

Well I can actually relate to that. I have a very clear view on life and have a personal philosophy which I think (I KNOW!) is true. But then I also have NN in 3rd house and SN in 9th house, so that may complicate things a little bit, because the SN in 9th house can mean that I am sure of my religious and philosophical views.

Hard to know then, what Lilith does in my chart.
 

Sunset

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Well I can actually relate to that. I have a very clear view on life and have a personal philosophy which I think (I KNOW!) is true. But then I also have NN in 3rd house and SN in 9th house, so that may complicate things a little bit, because the SN in 9th house can mean that I am sure of my religious and philosophical views.

Hard to know then, what Lilith does in my chart.

Well you might have to learn to communicate your personal truth or inner knowing. Not depending on others but work with it through communication. But maybe that is just a wild guess. It is hard to combine all the aspect to each other. Every year I discover new influences I first overlooked.

By the way it is being said that on a more spiritual level Lilith is on purpose denied. Because if you had access to this energy you won't reach your goal (north node). In your case, if you know it all, whats the point in communicating with others. So first the denial to force you to work towards your north node and once you've picked up on it, you can bring your Lilith talent to the mix.
 

love-thinking

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Ryan Gosling seems like a good guy, but one can never know with Scorpios, hah!

Ingrid Bergman was a good mother, she was away working a lot on her films, living the star-life, but if you listen to her children's stories, they have no bitterness, but only love and admiration for her. She took a break from Hollywood life when her kid got sick so. She was a good mother and her children loved her, but, they wanted more of her. That's what they said in the documentary.

I know it's life but it's so sad that everything must come to an end! It's so painful to see, and especially in one of her last roles, when she plays this utterly miserable failed mother, she is so miserable in that role!!! It hurts in my heart, because she was such an adorable woman when young, so full of life and vitality. But we all were - at one point. But Ingrid Bergman is the only celebrity I have felt affection for, honestly, it may sound strange (I'm not obsessed! I would never stalk anyone) and then to see her entire career in a 2 hour long documentary, and fall in love during the first minute, and to see her almost dead in the end of it, that is pain!

But do you think Brad Pitt comes across as too intense, in that picture I posted? Do you find him creepy? That stare? What about Errol Flynn?

Errol Flynn is hot. Sometimes I like intensity but I feel like when I do, it's a different type of intensity.

Ryan gosling looks playful, romantic, adventurous and passionate and these are all traits I look for in a man. I want a man to be able to seduce me with words. He looks like he would know how to. Again, I did watch movies where he does that.

Errol Flynn and Bradd Pitt looks like they would discipline me. Bradd Pitt to a lesser extent. Errol Flynn even has that cardinal face-very capricornian. Does he have capricorn in his chart? So yes both would make me nervous.

Again usually it is a fusion of energies honestly, not one without the other.

I have been attracted to intense looking men before. Very intense men, "serial killer type" of looking man; one being in my building with a dog and unfortunately a wife. My heart races everytime I'm around him, but I bet he's a decade or two older than me. Not everyone finds him attractive and he definitely doesn't have an attractive wife.

Maybe if I had enough guts, and bad sense of morality, I would hit on him. But I have noticed though the intense man I am attracted to usually have an oval face, or a long rectangular face. Not really "cardinal" unless it's eminem(he has pluto sextile ascendent).
 

love-thinking

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Let me show you the types of men I find attractive.

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This one is an actor I saw in Killing me Softly. I usually hate the romance genre, especially rom coms, but I had a phase when I was 18 when I really liked watching movies about dark love stories that end badly and this was one of them. The man was extremely handsome.

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This one, I really thought he was hot. He doesn't look too plutonic, but he does have pluto square ascendent. His moon is in pisces. So I may have liked him because of the fusion of pisces and scorpio energies?

Below I have here, Henry Cavil, and Johnathan Rhys Meyers. They have that gaze. Henry cavill however looks like he evokes more sympathy so I'm guessing there's something slightly neptunian about him.
 

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love-thinking

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Animatrix; I also really like this man. [ATTACH said:
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People know him as Rob Stark from the Game of thrones. I don't really like him because he's intense or deep looking. But in the show, his body expressions are so hot. I don't know how to explain it. He's a gemini though and my eighth house is half gemini half taurus. His bodily expression is very fiery and passionate.

I lack fire, so fired up men really turn me on.
 

Sunset

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Let me show you the types of men I find attractive.

Below I have here, Henry Cavil, and Johnathan Rhys Meyers. They have that gaze. Henry cavill however looks like he evokes more sympathy so I'm guessing there's something slightly neptunian about him.

Wow this Henry Cavil I also find very attractive. When I look at his horoscope he has a lot of placements similar to me, but with a little shift. Maybe his attractiveness comes from the moon on the ascendant? (And me falling for the more sensitive type of men ) But he doesn’t have one of the beauty aspects mentioned in this topic.
 

Animatrix

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Errol Flynn is hot. Sometimes I like intensity but I feel like when I do, it's a different type of intensity.

Ryan gosling looks playful, romantic, adventurous and passionate and these are all traits I look for in a man. I want a man to be able to seduce me with words. He looks like he would know how to. Again, I did watch movies where he does that.

Errol Flynn and Bradd Pitt looks like they would discipline me. Bradd Pitt to a lesser extent. Errol Flynn even has that cardinal face-very capricornian. Does he have capricorn in his chart? So yes both would make me nervous.

Again usually it is a fusion of energies honestly, not one without the other.

I have been attracted to intense looking men before. Very intense men, "serial killer type" of looking man; one being in my building with a dog and unfortunately a wife. My heart races everytime I'm around him, but I bet he's a decade or two older than me. Not everyone finds him attractive and he definitely doesn't have an attractive wife.

Maybe if I had enough guts, and bad sense of morality, I would hit on him. But I have noticed though the intense man I am attracted to usually have an oval face, or a long rectangular face. Not really "cardinal" unless it's eminem(he has pluto sextile ascendent).

Errol Flynn has Saturn conjunct Ascendant! That is why you probably think he looks Capricornian. His ascendant is Aries though.

You are maybe more attracted to mental things, like personal attitudes, personal power etc. I am almost only attracted to the physical features, and I would not really be made nervous by a woman no matter how she came across, if she weren't physically attractive. Maybe shallow, but that is how I am really.
 

Animatrix

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This is a taurus man I find exceedingly sexy. He played aladin on once upon a time.

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He's from stranger things. He's so hot. He's also a taurus.

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And of course there's channing tatum and David Bekham. All sexy tauruses :)

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Channing Tatum and David Beckham are attractive. But they are like "average good looking" not this super magical beauty in my opinion! But it's interesting.

You should watch a clip of Errol Flynn in his prime. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0tjBx5fMPQ
Watch the whole clip or from 1:22-1:53. Seriously the charm and charisma he is showing off is just outerwordly, no one other actor can even compare to it. Errol Flynn was simply magical.
Errol Flynn could have been Ingrid Bergman's older brother really. It's the same type of charm. Definitely two of the most beautiful people to ever grace the silverscreen!
 

love-thinking

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Seriously Brooke shields got like the worst chart I've ever seen! ONLY HARD ASPECTS lol. No wonder she looks troubled :D

You are right. She does have a lot of hard aspects. Well she was sexualized at a very young age. Imagine being 11 and very tall with that beautiful face. She even played a young prostitute when she was younger. LOL if my 12 year old daughter looked like that, she's staying in the basement. All jokes aside, she started modeling at 11, posed nude in films like the blue lagoon at age 14.(Shouldn't that be considered child pornography?)

Also her venus conjuncts her MC and squares her ascendent at 0 degrees. She also has that pluto. Sun square pluto and pluto conjunct ascendent.

I know this is a statement most people would disagree with, but she is one of the most beautiful woman in history. Aphrodite in the flesh.
 

love-thinking

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Errol Flynn has Saturn conjunct Ascendant! That is why you probably think he looks Capricornian. His ascendant is Aries though.

You are maybe more attracted to mental things, like personal attitudes, personal power etc. I am almost only attracted to the physical features, and I would not really be made nervous by a woman no matter how she came across, if she weren't physically attractive. Maybe shallow, but that is how I am really.

Okay so this is what I have noticed. You're very right about venus plus pluto. Most beautiful people usually have venus to main points (sun, ascendent and perhaps moon) and pluto.

However, I feel during the 90s since pluto was transiting sagitarius, people with prominant sagitarius got fame and attention and that's probably why scarlett is a "sex symbol."

People include: eminem, justin timberlake, christina agulera, britney spears, mila kunis, anne hethaway although she also has a sun in scorpio, taylor swift and of course scarlett johannson. All of these people were popular and became prominant when pluto was transiting sagitarius. They may not be sex symbols but they definitely were popular in their time. When pluto was transiting eminem's ascendent, he made his infamous song "Kim," song about murdering his girlfriend.



Nowadays, pluto is in capricorn, and I can already see a cultural shift. Lot's of VHS models have capricorn somewhere in their chart.

Another question, how does race fit into this equation? Like of course some races tend to have more round heads or square heads? How would you account for race when trying to spot a taurus vs a gemini?
 

love-thinking

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Channing Tatum and David Beckham are attractive. But they are like "average good looking" not this super magical beauty in my opinion! But it's interesting.

You should watch a clip of Errol Flynn in his prime. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0tjBx5fMPQ
Watch the whole clip or from 1:22-1:53. Seriously the charm and charisma he is showing off is just outerwordly, no one other actor can even compare to it. Errol Flynn was simply magical.
Errol Flynn could have been Ingrid Bergman's older brother really. It's the same type of charm. Definitely two of the most beautiful people to ever grace the silverscreen!

Lol You are going to anger a lot of women by saying that about david bekham. David Bekham is stunning lol. He doesn't have the intensity but with him I feel like he doesn't have to, everything about him is perfect.

And Errol does look quite like Errol Flynn. Did you ever watch the movie closer by Natalie portman and julia robert. There's this man named Clive owen. Do you think he looks plutonic?
 

Animatrix

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Okay so this is what I have noticed. You're very right about venus plus pluto. Most beautiful people usually have venus to main points (sun, ascendent and perhaps moon) and pluto.

However, I feel during the 90s since pluto was transiting sagitarius, people with prominant sagitarius got fame and attention and that's probably why scarlett is a "sex symbol."

People include: eminem, justin timberlake, christina agulera, britney spears, mila kunis, anne hethaway although she also has a sun in scorpio, taylor swift and of course scarlett johannson. All of these people were popular and became prominant when pluto was transiting sagitarius. They may not be sex symbols but they definitely were popular in their time. When pluto was transiting eminem's ascendent, he made his infamous song "Kim," song about murdering his girlfriend.



Nowadays, pluto is in capricorn, and I can already see a cultural shift. Lot's of VHS models have capricorn somewhere in their chart.

Another question, how does race fit into this equation? Like of course some races tend to have more round heads or square heads? How would you account for race when trying to spot a taurus vs a gemini?

Brad Pitt is a Sagittarius as well. He became famous when Pluto was in Scorpio, but Pluto transits are of course felt much earlier before it "hits". The effects of a planet in a house/sign is felt way before it enters. So you could definitely be right. When Pluto entered Scorpio, this whole AIDS thing started.

You are right. She does have a lot of hard aspects. Well she was sexualized at a very young age. Imagine being 11 and very tall with that beautiful face. She even played a young prostitute when she was younger. LOL if my 12 year old daughter looked like that, she's staying in the basement. All jokes aside, she started modeling at 11, posed nude in films like the blue lagoon at age 14.(Shouldn't that be considered child pornography?)

Also her venus conjuncts her MC and squares her ascendent at 0 degrees. She also has that pluto. Sun square pluto and pluto conjunct ascendent.

I know this is a statement most people would disagree with, but she is one of the most beautiful woman in history. Aphrodite in the flesh.

I definitely see her appeal but I think Ingrid Bergman is a thousand times more charismatic, but I guess dominant men/oversexed men would prefer her because she looks more vulnerable.

Well 11 years old is way too young to attract attention from NORMAL men. I feel sorry for her if she was sexualized that young an age, definitely child abuse if she posed naked in films at age 14. way too young. But as we have seen now, when Jupiter entered Scorpio, Hollywood and the film industry is full of peverts and pedophiles!
 

Animatrix

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Lol You are going to anger a lot of women by saying that about david bekham. David Bekham is stunning lol. He doesn't have the intensity but with him I feel like he doesn't have to, everything about him is perfect.

And Errol does look quite like Errol Flynn. Did you ever watch the movie closer by Natalie portman and julia robert. There's this man named Clive owen. Do you think he looks plutonic?

Errol Flynn is the most charismatic and attractive man in the history of hollywood! He is the very definition of a sex symbol. David Beckham looks like a normal good-looking stud in my opinion. Where I grew up people looked much better than him.

Clive Owen looks scary in my opinion but I don't see that sexual appeal.

The thing with Plutonic people is that they are radiating sex and they look shameless about it, haha.
 
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